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Great summary, as supported by a Redditor who posted his impressions in NDA is up. What can I tell you about the HomePod?
I guarantee you and this paid "reviewer" that proper audio companies are not the least bit worried about marketing nonsense like beamforming. Nor about this little plastic speaker changing the industry. The big players have looked at bouncing audio waves years ago and discarded it. There are many reasons for this the primary one being it's just not the best way to get the best possible sounds from stereo speakers.

The HP is a GoogleHome, Alexa and possibly Sonos competitor let's remember that and not try and pretend it's anything else. Using multiple tweeters might mean it will give a broader soundstage then this competition when placed in the middle of a room. However, how many people are planning to do that? Like always these will end up in corners, bookshelf's and up against the wall.

Let's wait for the real reviews to start coming out and then we will know how it stacks up against the competition on sound

With regards to Siri, we already know that's beaten by Google and Alexa who also support the largest music streaming service in the world.
 
As I've said several times in this thread, the single-HomePod experience will be neither Stereo or Mono. What it does is create a room-sized sound field from a single box. If you can place a single box in a room with almost no regard to the seating arrangement and still get something satisfying to listen to... that's nearly a miracle.
This should be repeated in capital letters. (Except for the semantics around the word stereo not meaning duo. But for the sake of argument I will go with the layman’s understanding of the term)
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I guarantee you and this paid "reviewer" that proper audio companies are not the least bit worried about marketing nonsense like beamforming. Nor about this little plastic speaker changing the industry. The big players have looked at bouncing audio waves years ago and discarded it. There are many reasons for this the primary one being it's just not the best way to get the best possible sounds from stereo speakers.

The HP is a GoogleHome, Alexa and possibly Sonos competitor let's remember that and not try and pretend it's anything else. Using multiple tweeters might mean it will give a broader soundstage then this competition when placed in the middle of a room. However, how many people are planning to do that? Like always these will end up in corners, bookshelf's and up against the wall.

Let's wait for the real reviews to start coming out and then we will know how it stacks up against the competition on sound

With regards to Siri, we already know that's beaten by Google and Alexa who also support the largest music streaming service in the world.
Literally every word of that was wrong. How did it feel to have the largest inauguration crowd of all time?
 
I guarantee you and this paid "reviewer" that proper audio companies are not the least bit worried about marketing nonsense like beamforming. Nor about this little plastic speaker changing the industry. The big players have looked at bouncing audio waves years ago and discarded it. There are many reasons for this the primary one being it's just not the best way to get the best possible sounds from stereo speakers.

The HP is a GoogleHome, Alexa and possibly Sonos competitor let's remember that and not try and pretend it's anything else. Using multiple tweeters might mean it will give a broader soundstage then this competition when placed in the middle of a room. However, how many people are planning to do that? Like always these will end up in corners, bookshelf's and up against the wall.

Let's wait for the real reviews to start coming out and then we will know how it stacks up against the competition on sound

With regards to Siri, we already know that's beaten by Google and Alexa who also support the largest music streaming service in the world.
He never claimed to be a reviewer. He was clear that he was part of the demo invite. He shared is limited one-hour experience and answered follow-up questions in the Reddit thread.

So far nothing has indicated that the HomePod needs to be placed in the middle of a room. Apple is claiming the opposite: that the tweeter outputs are timed to compensate for wherever the unit is placed based on the reflectance patterns picked up by the mic array. Whether it works as advertised is another story. I'm less skeptical about the dynamic soundstage adjustment than I am about the alleged Apple TV support, which I have trouble believing will sync with the picture via AirPlay 1.
 
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With regards to Siri, we already know that's beaten by Google and Alexa who also support the largest music streaming service in the world.
But they don't support the second largest in the world, so that is where the HomePod fits in.

Also, it should be mentioned that the HomePod supports every audio service on iOS/Mac using Airplay. Unlike some of the Echos which use Bluetooth for unsupported (on device) audio, Airplay is lossless and Bluetooth is lossy. Not to mentioned that when Airplay 2 is fully implemented, you will be able to send that Airplay stream to multiple Airplay 2 devices, which you can't do with the Bluetooth stream on the Echos .

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He never claimed to be a reviewer. He was clear that he was part of the demo invite. He shared is limited one-hour experience and answered follow-up questions in the Reddit thread.

So far nothing has indicated that the HomePod needs to be placed in the middle of a room. Apple is claiming the opposite: that the tweeter outputs are timed to compensate for wherever the unit is placed based on the reflectance patterns picked up by the mic array. Whether it works as advertised is another story. I'm less skeptical about the dynamic soundstage adjustment than I am about the alleged Apple TV support, which I have trouble believing will sync with the picture via AirPlay 1.
Airplay 2 will probably solve any syncing issues. I was messing around with Airplay 2 on my 3 AppleTVs and was able to send each the same signal or each a separate signal right from an iPhone. Airplay 2 is much more sophisticated than Airplay 1.
 
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You sure about that? Last I checked, Sirius/XM satellite radio was only streaming at around 128kb/s. They do a LOT of back-end sound processing with special gear to try to optimize the sound quality you hear, but it's still really lossy -- probably because they see more value in offering more channels than better bit-rates from the satellites.

And whenever I listen to Pandora in my car, it's clearly a poor bit-rate stream. I hear lots of artifacts in the music, making me want to use some other audio source instead.

I don't think IHeartRadio's app ever streamed to me at a great bit-rate either.


As for 128kb/s, come on, it is not 2000.
Most streaming sites stream in high enough bit source that the main artifact you'll have is either a bad mastering, bad recording or bad reproduction impeding your enjoyment.

In no way do any recording sound in any way like what you can hear in a studio, it is all compromise all through the chain.
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Here's the thing about "stereo." Two-channel stereo is artificial to begin with - two speakers trying to mimic a much more complex live musical environment. What Apple is doing here is not a mono speaker (which would take the sum of the left and right channel signals, resulting in a flat non-directional experience) - it's a multi-speaker array (single woofer, 7 separately-driven directional horn tweeters) that, with the help of tons of computer processing and direct/reflected sound from those tweeters, creates a complex sound field from a single box (well, cylinder). This takes both channels of a stereo signal and uses all of it. The addition of a second unit will allow for an even more complex sound field.

The principles behind this have been around for a very, very long time. We've seen many implementations come and (sometimes) go. Quadraphonic, 5-channel and 7-channel surround, sound bars, Bose Direct/Reflecting speakers, self-tuning sound systems... All these were done with cheap, passive speaker/amp arrays, with relatively little or no active signal processing. There's also nothing new about beam-forming tweeter arrays. A dual-HomePod array should produce the equivalent of super-stereo, accomplishing with two units what others may hope to accomplish with 5-speaker systems.

The main difference is that Apple is able to take these established principles, add their proprietary R&D, apply a ton of active digital signal processing, and execute it all in a mass-market product that sells for $350. What they're applying here has been learned giving iPhones, iPads, AirPods, and iMacs remarkably good sound (for what they are), and no doubt, what they've been learning for HomePod will also flow to Apple's/Beats other products.

Oh, and P.S., yes, HomePod will be controllable by multiple people (which is to say, more than one person can issue voice commands).

Yes, I fully understand its sudo Stereo.

The problem is the mixers of the music intended the playback to be real stereo vs sudo (they do sound differently). Having a dual speaker with the active room tuning will be great! But, thats not what we have day one. Thats also true with multi-user support. Even that is a bit muddy here! I think Apple is going for the low bar just treating all voices with the same access. But thats not what I want I want more! I what Siri to know its me vs the other person! So I arrive home and I ask Siri to play my Jazz play list not my wife's or kids music. Or, even acknowledge me by name like my iPhone does. I don't think it will have this level of interaction.
 
This is going to be in the dictionary right next to Oxymoron from now on.
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I agree that it is dumb as **** that Apple worded it this way. Because clearly it is confusing for people who doesn’t know what stereo means, and the layman will write posts like this.
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[doublepost=1517484795][/doublepost]Absolutely not. That’s what the layperson think it is, and it is certainly A WAY of achieving stereo. But that’s definitely not THE meaning of Stereo.
[doublepost=1517485129][/doublepost]That is correct. Apple is wording it wrong. Two HomePods will simply make a wider and deeper stereo soundstage. They are using the word stereo because people mistakenly thinks it means two channels / speakers.
[doublepost=1517486334][/doublepost]Here’s the thing people don’t get about the word stereo. It is NOT the opposite of mono, that would be duo. Sound reproduction is never going to be perfect. A live orchestra or band will project sound in all directions and will be louder or softer depending on the distance between you and whatever emits the sound.

Stereo is trying to replicate that three dimensionality of sound, and using two channels and two speakers is so far the most common and easy way of achieving that. We have two ears, spaced apart. Let’s take advantage of that and simulate space. Unsurprisingly, it’s also the least sophisticated way of doing so. We tried making stereo more immersive by introducing quadraphonic sound at first. This is four channels, four speakers. Also called stereo.

Now tangentially, the first “stereo” records were in fact not. They were dual-mono. A channel could either be hard panned right or hard panned left. If you’ve ever listened to early Beatles or Stones “stereo” releases you know what this sounds like: vocals in one ear, guitars in the right. To achieve true stereo, each channel would have to be panned somewhere in between. The time difference it takes for each channel to hit each of your ears is what creates the illusion of a multi-dimensional sound stage.

Now the problem with two channel, two source stereo becomes immediately apparent: You need to be in the perfect spot between the sources of sound for the illusion to become complete. This is what is known as the sweet spot. It’s also why listening to headphones is the optimal way of listening to two channel audio – your sweet spot is right in the middle of your head. Move out of that sweet spot and the illusion of stereo fades away. Move way out, say stand next to the speakers projecting sound in cones in front of them and the perceived quality of the entire output degrades.

This is what Apple is trying to solve with the HomePod: A consistent, multi-dimensional soundstage, with both depth and width (think surround) regardless of your relative position to the speaker. It will use a combination of beam-forming, echo-cancellation, a speaker array, microphones and lots and lots of real time processing to solve this. And it is an insanely difficult problem to solve. Which is why the nascent version of this technology was only available in $20K+ audio systems only a few years back.

One of this units will apparently project an amazing multi-dimensional soundstage rivalling most 2.1 systems. Two will probably rival many 5.1 systems. The problem Apple is creating in using specific wording, is that “stereo equals two” in most people’s minds. The truth is that they could probably described the soundstage two HomePods create as “surround” and got away with it.

There are Dolby ATMOS soundbar that are single units projecting a fully immersive depth, width, height sound out there and apparently doing a great job of it. The wording Apple is using here is underselling the capabilities of a single HomePod unit and vastly underselling what two can do.
Thank you. So much chatter going on about this and your deep dive is enlightening.

I’ve been guilty of repeating the “stereo is two speakers, separated” line before, like Apple, in the spirit of colloquial brevity. Sometimes it’s just too ungainly to get into esoteric technical discussions of things when your audience doesn’t know or care about the difference, and the terminology you’re using is “practically true” in most cases.

But underneath that, my understanding has always been that stereo is an effect, not necessarily a specific speaker configuration. Which is why in the past I’ve grumbled at cheap all-in-one speakers that essentially just jammed two regular speakers near each other in the same enclosure, pointing the same direction, and call it “stereo”. Yes, technically it’s stereo, but you only hear a good version of stereo effect if you are really close, like when you hold a small boom box on your shoulder and it sounds awesome. But across the room, it’s barely distinguishable from mono. The new iPhones have stereo and it sounds pretty cool when you are right up in there, with your face a foot away the way many people watch stuff on their phone. But again, once you move across the room, outta the sweet spot, it’s hard to tell it from mono. UE does a neat trick with their bluetooth speakers that allows you to create a stereo pair and spread them pretty far apart, which allows you to create a nice stereo effect that can be customizing based on where where you place them in relation to your beach blanket.

So things can technically be stereo whenever two speakers are working together but practically, their distance from each other and your distance from them (e.g. where you are relative to the triangular “sweet spot”) will determine how much of a stereo effect your ears (and brain) actually experience. Up ‘til now, when using regular ‘ol speakers, the ability to physically separate those was HUGE in determining how well it created a “stereo” sound field.

What Apple seems to be doing is to try to achieve a wide stereo “effect” that that moves beyond the need to physically separate the sound sources in separate devices by virtually separating the sound, projecting it beyond the device itself and bouncing it off of walls and objects so that it feels, to the listener, like it’s not just coming from that one small device and that one spot in the room. “Beamforming” seems to be part of how they’re doing it (along with echo cancellation, etc.) and it’s seems really clever. It sounds like it’s been tried in the past at great expense but I’m guessing, classically, that Apple may be the first to perfect it, which simplicity, on an affordable scale.

But again, the whole concept for a device like this has to start with a basic understanding that stereo is an effect, not just configuration. Something we experience when our ears believe that sound is coming from multiple directions. Whether the sound really is coming at you from multiple speakers set up around you, or whether it’s coming from a single source and being bounced around the room to create the virtual experience of sound coming at you from multiple locations, may not ultimately matter to our ears. Apple understands that, and in typical fashion decided to approach the problem of creating a wide, deep, usable, stereo field with the simplest possible set up. Their ability to think beyond conventional wisdom is what has made them such frequent purveyors of revolution.

I’ll be playing around like a school kid to see if they’ve succeeded in creating their next wave of techno magic when mine arrives on the 9th. Can’t wait!
 
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Thank you. So much chatter going on about this and your deep dive is enlightening.

I’ve been guilty of repeating the “stereo is two speakers, separated” line before, like Apple, in the spirit of colloquial brevity. Sometimes it’s just too ungainly to get into esoteric technical discussions of things when your audience doesn’t know or care about the difference, and the terminology you’re using is “practically true” in most cases.

But underneath that, my understanding has always been that stereo is an effect, not necessarily a specific speaker configuration. Which is why in the past I’ve grumbled at cheap all-in-one speakers that essentially just jammed two regular speakers near each other in the same enclosure, pointing the same direction, and call it “stereo”. Yes, technically it’s stereo, but you only hear a good version of stereo effect if you are really close, like when you hold a small boom box on your shoulder and it sounds awesome. But across the room, it’s barely distinguishable from mono. The new iPhones have stereo and it sounds pretty cool when you are right up in there, with your face a foot away the way many people watch stuff on their phone. But again, once you move across the room, outta the sweet spot, it’s hard to tell it from mono. UE does a neat trick with their bluetooth speakers that allows you to create a stereo pair and spread them pretty far apart, which allows you to create a nice stereo effect that can be customizing based on where where you place them in relation to your beach blanket.

So things can technically be stereo whenever two speakers are working together but practically, their distance from each other and your distance from them (e.g. where you are relative to the triangular “sweet spot”) will determine how much of a stereo effect your ears (and brain) actually experience. Up ‘til now, when using regular ‘ol speakers, the ability to physically separate those was HUGE in determining how well it created a “stereo” sound field.

What Apple seems to be doing is to try to achieve a wide stereo “effect” that that moves beyond the need to physically separate the sound sources in separate devices by virtually separating the sound, projecting it beyond the device itself and bouncing it off of walls and objects so that it feels, to the listener, like it’s not just coming from that one small device and that one spot in the room. “Beamforming” seems to be part of how they’re doing it (along with echo cancellation, etc.) and it’s seems really clever. It sounds like it’s been tried in the past at great expense but I’m guessing, classically, that Apple may be the first to perfect it, which simplicity, on an affordable scale.

But again, the whole concept for a device like this has to start with a basic understanding that stereo is an effect, not just configuration. Something we experience when our ears believe that sound is coming from multiple directions. Whether the sound really is coming at you from multiple speakers set up around you, or whether it’s coming from a single source and being bounced around the room to create the virtual experience of sound coming at you from multiple locations, may not ultimately matter to our ears. Apple understands that, and in typical fashion decided to approach the problem of creating a wide, deep, usable, stereo field with the simplest possible set up. Their ability to think beyond conventional wisdom is what has made them such frequent purveyors of revolution.

I’ll be playing around like a school kid to see if they’ve succeeded in creating their next wave of techno magic when mine arrives on the 9th. Can’t wait!
I don't know anyone that really wants to hear directional sound coming from two speakers. They want the two speakers to provide imaging, so you can get a sense where each instrument was during the recording. It is one of the main issues that audiophiles have with headphones. Whether or not this speaker can provide imaging in a way that two decent speakers can remains to be seen.
 
I don't know anyone that really wants to hear directional sound coming from two speakers. They want the two speakers to provide imaging, so you can get a sense where each instrument was during the recording. It is one of the main issues that audiophiles have with headphones. Whether or not this speaker can provide imaging in a way that two decent speakers can remains to be seen.
If you’re are limiting your understanding of “directional” to mean that the sound is either coming from one side or the other then of course that’s not ideal. Early Beatles “stereo” records are a nightmare on headphones.

I hope it was clear from what I wrote (apparently not), but when I used “directional” I was simply referring to the goal of recreating, for the listener, the original “field” from which the sound was generated (e.g. a chamber group on a stage) so that the user experiences each instrument coming from its own unique, pinpointed “direction” in order to help them fill in their own mental map of the music. I’m not an engineer and so I spaced on using the term “imaging”, but that’s exactly what I meant.

e.g, Last night I was a watching the final episode of Ozark (so good) on my iPad with my AirPods in, and there were certain sounds that literally felt like the direction they were coming from was behind me, outside my home, because the imaging was so good. I love that.

Hoping that HomePod has the magic to help create a bit of that immersive, sound field experience without needing to be stuck in one spot or wear cans.
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Feeling the same way.

I'd love to get a HomePod, I just can't figure out a place in the house where it would make sense being a great speaker and a "smart" speaker.
In the living room we already have a decent HiFi system (quite out of HomePod league) connected to a first gen AirPort Express (802.11g), and there isn't really another place where neither HomePod's audio quality nor smarts would be wasted.
I agree that is one of the challenges. Hopefully the “listening” cabilities of HP will make it so that it doesn’t need to be on the table next to you like an Amazon Dot in order to understand you. Ultimately a few small “MicPods” placed around the room in the best spots for it to hear what people say, with the speakers placed in the best spots for people to hear what it plays, would probably work best, but I’m guessing there’s no way Apple would ever go for that! They’re trying for something so simple that “just works” with almost zero prep or thought. Fingers crossed...
 
This should be repeated in capital letters. (Except for the semantics around the word stereo not meaning duo. But for the sake of argument I will go with the layman’s understanding of the term)
In this discussion, I've been capitalizing Stereo to try to indicate the use of a marketing term (layman's understanding). I remember some of the other marketing terms, back in the day. "Stereophonic" "London Phase 4 Stereo," "Quadrophenia" ( ;-) regarding the last one)...

There was one classical label in the 80s and 90s that made a big thing about their recording technique. Only problem was, as great as it sounded in Stereo, the results could be horrible in summed mono. They were big on using spaced omnis. I'm a fan of coincident pairs (X-Y cardioids, or crossed figure-8). Spaced omnis are far more susceptible to phase cancellation than coincident techniques, but the wide spacing also results in an over-sized sound stage. Bigger is always better, right?
 
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Article Link: Apple's Phil Schiller on HomePod: We Want to Create a New Kind of Music Experience in the Home That Sounds Incredible

I was considering buying the HomePod, then I noticed one omission in their pre-release hype. There was no mention of exactly WHERE this outstanding sound was coming from.

One phone call to Apple later, I had my answer. The full features of the HomePod can only be revealed using Apple Music. I have a collection of around 8K CDs which I painstakingly transferred to iTunes. While iTunes sort of works with the HomePod, Siri won’t.

Bottom line: the HomePod is an expensive hook to get people to buy a subscription to Apple Music.

No thanks.
 
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