I think the non touch bar model should start at $1299 with the base model touch bar machine being $1499 I think that's a bit more realistic for pricing and makes way more sense.
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Apple's Phil Schiller: 'We Don't Design for Price, We Design for the Experience'
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Their parents pay for everything, silly.
While this may be true, more affordable but still very good options (often also receiving spec bumps) were available, particularly in the last years. Over the last several years the MacBook Air was such an option. Most people agree that it was a machine with terrific value for money. With the MacBook Air becoming long in the tooth and not receiving any further upgrade, such an option simply does not exist at the moment. To add insult to injury, Apple just raised the prices of this and many other old and very old products throughout Europe.
A $500 price hike for adding a tool bar while dropping the SD card slot? Smh.
Wait what? Lenovo managed it 3 years ago with e-ink.
It worked well... but was pretty gimmicky then too, and forgotten about.
yep, complete failures
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But their software is hardly a full suite sufficient for 90% of what you need to do on a computer. Their apps are to be honest complete garbage. Edge, does anyone actually use Edge? Outlook, Word, ... lol
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agree, touch screen is perfect for a tablet but not a laptop and Apple understands this.
Here's a crazy idea: During every elections we hear politicians say how we need younger blood and fresh ideas (well maybe not in the US 
). Well, maybe the time has come for Tim, Phil, Craig and other posses to move on. Perhaps they could leave and launch some emojis start-up?
). Well, maybe the time has come for Tim, Phil, Craig and other posses to move on. Perhaps they could leave and launch some emojis start-up? probably... who knows right? Just as no one else here has ever used it and never will lol
Allow me to shed light on it for you. There a are ton of people that wish they could afford this computer. /thread
The entitlement culture has bred people that think everything should be priced according to their paltry income. Of course, for the people whom price is the issue...they invent and endless tirade of other complaints that are just white noise to distract themselves from the truth...they want it, can't afford it.
I haven't posted in a long time, however, felt the need to do so reading this post. I'll make it is as concise and brief as possible. Perhaps others will agree with this, or find it ironic/informative, idk.
I'll start by saying this, I have an Iphone and a couple year old mac. I enjoy reading this site, and the user's comments. I'm not rich, nor am I poor. If I really needed something, I could afford it. My thoughts are below.
"We don't design for price, we design for experience," is that why a new iPhone is released every year? Don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone. But, saying we don't design for price, really? This statement is only made worse by the subsequent $500 increase. Yes, Mr. Schiller, you do design for price. You, "design for price," by outsourcing for parts to countries outside of the United States, (I don't want to get into the debate of whether this practice is right or wrong), for your products. You, "design for price," because you are an employee of a business. This really isn't high level economics. The idea that people will buy any apple product, for the, "experience," and totally disregard the cost is tomfoolery. That is how you loose a business, or at the very least a large portion of customers. Sure, some customers will follow this logic, the price doesn't matter, I love the experience. That's a niche consumer market though, not a citizen consumer market. Money and power corrupt, I hope it hasn't at Apple.
I'll start by saying this, I have an Iphone and a couple year old mac. I enjoy reading this site, and the user's comments. I'm not rich, nor am I poor. If I really needed something, I could afford it. My thoughts are below.
"We don't design for price, we design for experience," is that why a new iPhone is released every year? Don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone. But, saying we don't design for price, really? This statement is only made worse by the subsequent $500 increase. Yes, Mr. Schiller, you do design for price. You, "design for price," by outsourcing for parts to countries outside of the United States, (I don't want to get into the debate of whether this practice is right or wrong), for your products. You, "design for price," because you are an employee of a business. This really isn't high level economics. The idea that people will buy any apple product, for the, "experience," and totally disregard the cost is tomfoolery. That is how you loose a business, or at the very least a large portion of customers. Sure, some customers will follow this logic, the price doesn't matter, I love the experience. That's a niche consumer market though, not a citizen consumer market. Money and power corrupt, I hope it hasn't at Apple.
We know exactly what a big step forward is; thinner, smaller, lighter, crappier keys, fewer ports, no iconic Apple icon on the cover, no iconic connectors to keep the computer from being pulled off the desk, no user upgrades like ram and SSD, and gorgeous colors.
Your argument does not work, it's fundamentally flawed. Those that can, "afford it," are likely in a healthy state of wealth. They got to that wealth via free trade, and paying fair market value for products. This computer is not priced at a fair market value. Oh, and before you come back saying I'm some poor guy who can't afford it, I'll be happy to send a PM photograph of my returns.
Experience over price? A lot of the Windows machines offer touch screens, the latest Kabylake processors in just as thin and small a package at half the price. Seems they're offering a good price and a good experience. But if the Macs are better built and last longer the price argument washes out in the end. Only time will tell, I guess.
Schiller should just remove the "c" from his name.
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Exactly right... especially for those who are not interested in the wonder-bar. Then $1500 would at get you 512gb SSD or 16gb memory. But even then... those 2.0ghz engines don't exactly inspire awe.
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Exactly right... especially for those who are not interested in the wonder-bar. Then $1500 would at get you 512gb SSD or 16gb memory. But even then... those 2.0ghz engines don't exactly inspire awe.
Well. I won't be purchasing this one. Price matters Phil. Sure for marketing you'll push back delivery times to show demand. This is a marketing ploy. After this ??? initial demand sales will fall quickly. Losing loyal customers including me. They should have just designed a touch screen. Would have made thing a lot easier. Plus no USB ports. Now I'll need to carry a dongle/hub where ever I go. This is not for a PRO user sorry to say. Sad
Sure you design for price, we aren't stupid, but I know you think we are.
Yes, there also is an experience, but don't give us that stupid line you dumb idiot.
Yes, there also is an experience, but don't give us that stupid line you dumb idiot.
Nope, I can afford any computer I want. Give me a laptop without a battery, 32+ GB ram, a couple of SSDs, 17 inch retina display, weighs 5 to 7 lbs, and heat generating i7 processors and I would gladly pay $5,000+. I already run Windows 10 on my MacBook Pro as well as several version of linux, so I know exactly what a horrible experience switching will be. But I also know that not switching just means that I will be forced away from macOS in a few years anyway based on Apple's demonstrated lack of desire for the type of performance and experience I need to be productive in my business.. So why not get it out of the way now. And in doing so it will prompt Microsoft to get even better. That really says something, when the only personal computes I have ever owned were Macs.
As a contractor that works at customer sites, I don't have the luxury of having an iMac on my desktop, or telling my customers that they need to provide a real computer. Sometimes I have to work in Windows, but with these pathetic Macs using several VMs is just not practical. Yeh, I know all my VMs should be running on Amazon or other cloud services. Oh, wait, confidentially agreements and other security concerns prevent that.
No, I don't sit in the park and tweet, or take selfies, or post everything I do on Facebook. Life is just too short for that nonsense and having a computer designed for and targeted at that nonsense has no value to me.
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The marketing team is lacking (pure) imagination...
You really think their marketing team came up with that in less than 24 hours? Apple has been advertising like this for years and Microsoft adopted the same formula so this is just coincidence.