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No, Apple stores do not nag or anything. You can basically walk in, go up to your Apple product of choice, and play around with it for as long as you want and ask questions if you want, but they are really nice about just letting you get a feel for the products yourself. Personally, I love Apple stores and I am glad we have one in the Wellington Green Mall. I work at the info desk and we have both a Dell store and an Apple store in our mall and I have had the pleasure of showing people the way to the Apple store and converting people from Dell to Apple many times per week. It always gives me a good feeling to see people walk out with one of those sexy Apple bags in their hand :)
 
Re: If you have an NFL team you should have an Apple Store...

Originally posted by centauratlas
One would think that if your city is big enough to have an NFL team you'd have an Apple Store. Which NFL cities don't have Apple Stores?

* Jacksonville, FL

other's?

Although if Jaguar players keep dying and collapsing in practice. :D

How about a REAL (not lame 90's expansion boom team) NFL city like PITTSBURGH? ;)
 
Mac Seattle

The northwest, especially the seattle area, is a really tech savy area. Surprisingly the only mac retail store we have is in bellevue square, a ritzy high fashion boutique kinda place. Bellevue is our own little slice of southern california, people tan year round, overpriced SUVs everywhere, botox injections like none other, and people hate it. Apple needs to open up a retail store downtown, maybe 4th and pike-ish. Not only would they get the attention of the mon-fri 9-5 crowd, they would also get the huge number of tourist that spend time there. Or they could set up shop in redmond, just to be a pain in the ass.
 
They need to open up one store per state at minimum. Right now when you look at the map of the retail stores:

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You see some obvious (duh!) gaps in coverage. I was working on a laptop the other day here at work doing some upgrades for one of the users I support, god **** MS freaking service packs. 163 upgrades in 3 days. :mad: die die die. , and we got around to talking home computers. I mentioned Macs and one of the first things he mentioned was where can he go to try one. Fortunately enough for us Minnesotanities we have 2 stores to choose from so that wasn’t a problem but for many states its an out of state drive if you want to see the real deal. Hopefully Best Buy, assuming this works out and happens in more then a hand full of stores, will help with this problem however you just DON’T get the same experience going into a Best Buy that you get going into an Apple Store.
 
Yeah, fortunately for me, Florida has about 5 stores with rumors of a 6th opening up. I take for granted the ease of walking into an Apple store just 5 minutes away. These stores are great to have around, and to make it easier for more people to walk into one would be ideal for Apple to spread. I can't tell you how many people I have converted by leading them to the Apple store to take a look. They see the ugly Dells in the Dell kiosk at our mall, then they walk into the Apple store and practically hug the iMac. It's a big thing to be able to walk into an Apple store and be able to touch, play with, and experience the products.
 
Re: Re: Agree With Your Sis

Originally posted by cubist
That's not an insoluble problem; you just sub-brand (as Toyota with Lexus, e.g.). If Apple should achieve 30% market share, for example, they could revive the NeXT brand.

Unfortunately, sub-branding wouldn't be a viable business strategy for Apple, as it's based on differentiation through greater/lesser amenities, extras, and luxuries. I'm not sure Apple would be able to pull off an Apple+/Apple- setup.

Look at Windows XP. When I picked up an XP box, there were certain things I expected to be able to do that I learned were only in the pro version. If apple ever OSX Pro, OSX lite, what would the lite version be? What would they take away? The complete user experience that is OSX is what makes better than the alternatives. Do we want them to market a product that's less than what we've come to expect? There's already a Kia computing experience. It's called Windows. (Not necessarily the insult you think.)

In relation to hardware, Apple couldn't survive with even one clone maker, (even a subsidiary.) Because the OS and hardware a so tied together that they both have to relatively high-end for worthwhile performance. If some how, a sub-brand used lesser parts and charged less, poor performance might bearing on the view of the entire platform. If they used similar parts, but less extravagant design and markup, odds are, they'd outsell and undercut the original mac lines. Just not sure how this would fare in execution, though it's a very compelling idea.

Originally posted by balconycollapse
Another thing i have noticed is an acceptance of Apple computers in urban/hip hop culture (see making the band with pdiddy on mtv). The rest of america seems to follow the trends that come out of this culture be it vintage jerseys or teched outvehicles.

Exposure in the Hip-Hop and R&B genres is a really big thing. Aside from pop, no other music culture gets more screen time on MTV for one. Which can mean a bit of screen time for Apple products as well. Like you mentioned, Mac's are featured in the house and recording studio of P. Diddy's Making the Band II. But Mac's really are prevalent in recording studios. Old hat for more experienced musicians and technicians, but new to recording hopefuls and the general public, I wager.

What I think is even better for Apple, is the amount of exposure the iPod is getting. Having already appeared in a highly popular Jennifer Lopez video (popular for artistic merit I'm sure,) the 3G iPod now gotten considerable screen time in the new video by Rapper 50 cent. From back, to face, to headphones, it's there in all it's glory. Actually there are several, being held by 50 and other video members (like Snoop Dogg, another hip hop icon), though partly off screen.

What's so important about this is here's an entire culture that's never really been exposed to Apple's offerings. More importantly, though I really really hate to admit it, it's also a culture with deep ties to designer brands and labels as status symbols. We've taken the most extravagant items from the largest brands and made them common place. Like Coach and Gucci bags (now coach and gucci material is used to line car seats), Movado and Cartier watches. I've always wondered if this culture ever saw Macs as the next hot thing, would we embrace them like they have other designer items? Would my friends and I walk through the mall all with our white do-rags, white T's, white Airforce ones, with iPods blazing and iBooks firmly under hand?

-Hertz
 
Re: Re: Re: Agree With Your Sis

Originally posted by MhzDoesMatter
Would my friends and I walk through the mall all with our white do-rags, white T's, white Airforce ones, with iPods blazing and iBooks firmly under hand?

-Hertz

Not to trivialize your other well-written points, but I just have to tell you that you would be forced into an iPod Djing/Break-dancing battle with my crew--everyone clad head to toe in reflective battle gray, clutching out 12" powerbooks (WITH DVI!!!)
 
MhzDoesMatter
Thanks for the intelligent response. I have noticed that this forum is one of well formed ideas. Hope i didn't sound like an uneducated oaf that watched MTV all day. I disdain the channel (lately-post cobain in otherwords), but unfortunately they are setting the trends right now in design, video, and music (because of an easily swayable base). An example would be the trend to use vector art in advertising and design . I run a Mac OS X audio community and the funny thing is most people are running os 9 to do pro audio production. This is absurd. Consider that macs are known for audio production. I am guessing the "making the band" is done in pro tools which is about the only audio environment that can truly be all os x right now ( if you have unlimited funds :) But the same goes for layout pros who waited forever to switch over to os x because quark xpress wasn't out. I atribute this to the fact that developers don't have macs as their highest priority. But i guess this brings me to another point. There appears to be an inordinate amount of MAC users that won't switch over to osx. This i think should be apples first target...not windows users. Good lord...get the os9 people to upgrade! Force developers to get with it. A good example is Native Instruments a noted os x audio developer. Recently released an updated version of their hit Kontakt as Kompakt. Streamlined in a "lite" form. Everyone was crossing their fingers that it would be os x but it turns out to be os 9. Furthermore the os x version is 2 months away. This is ridiculous. Which brings me to my final point. What happens when microsoft finally releases "it". By it i am referring to the Windows 64 bit unix version that will graphically go head to head with apple and will require windows users to send their current dells/gateways to the graveyard once and for all because no upgrade can save it. Much the way that my performa/starmax was..simply not going to run osx no matter how much i upgraded it. Will there be a 2 year period of transition for microsoft when apple can jump in and suck away market share? I am thinking this might be the case. I recently downloaded the x11 compatabile version of openoffice and quite frankly that is the future. But...i will quit ranting unfocused like. I leave you with a few words from that touching think different commercial. Have faith macs will be part of pop culture for some time. Especially when pixar is funding any set backs :)

here's to the crazy ones
the misfits
the rebels
the trouble makers
the round pegs in the square holes
the ones who see things differently
they're not fond of rules
and they have no respect for the status quo
you can quote them
disagree with them
glorify or vilify them
'bout the only thing you can't do
is ignore them
because they change things
they push the human race
forward
and while some may see them
as the crazy ones
we see genius
it is the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world
are the ones who do
 
one last thing (going after the urban culture demographic)...

a recent interview with an production assistant for Dr. Dre and eminem made a statement alluding to the fact that he will be using Reason...a windows too app...but best on mac to create music for these recording artists...apple needs to get their mits into that and make some noise!!! make commercials showing eminem using macs in the studio or nin running osx!!! go right after that urban demographic in the same way that democrats doing the same t hing are overlooked :)...and the apple music store needs to have some content rather then just selling...similar to the way amazon has all those lists of "my 10 ten blah blah blah". hook people with relatable content!!! why won't apple sing it's praises a little more!!! oh well...again ranting...lets here some more thoughts everyone
 
The stores themselves aren't mainstream stores. Obviously, that seems to be the general trend with most things apple, but at the same time they aren't going to reach a bigger market that way. I've been in the Woodfield Mall and Michigan Ave. stores and the stores feel somewhat intimidating. If I hadn't walked in there as a knowledgeable mac user looking to talk to someone I would have been bored. Most people in the store were checking their e-mail and didn't seem interested in the prospect of using a mac. One lady asked me where the internet was on a computer. I said, "Safari is on the bottom, you just have to click. They don't have internet explorer or netscape." She said, "no, I mean the internet!" I suppose any expose is good exposure, but I think the apple store caters to people who already use apples. It is far ahead of it's time, but is overwhelming to the masses.
 
Re: Mac Seattle

Originally posted by barhoptheworld
The northwest, especially the seattle area, is a really tech savy area. Surprisingly the only mac retail store we have is in bellevue square, a ritzy high fashion boutique kinda place. Bellevue is our own little slice of southern california, people tan year round, overpriced SUVs everywhere, botox injections like none other, and people hate it. Apple needs to open up a retail store downtown, maybe 4th and pike-ish. Not only would they get the attention of the mon-fri 9-5 crowd, they would also get the huge number of tourist that spend time there. Or they could set up shop in redmond, just to be a pain in the ass.

w00t another guy from the Pacific nw:)

I agree that Bell. Sq. is very nice, ritzy, etc, perfect area for an apple store but an apple store in Pacific Place or Westlake center would be awesome as well. For a city with 1 million plus residents (seattle) it sure seems odd not to have an apple store there.

:( :eek:
 
To the Seattle members,

I thought you were getting an Apple Store in the University Village outdoor mall?!! (I could have sworn I saw that listed in one of the retail trade mags...) I remember thinking it was a good location for an Apple store because of the UW kids, but that the mall is fairly low traffic (though brimming with too many Starbucks) It seemed like most of the traffic during the day was of the urban/neo-hippie mom type (if that makes any sense) I figured the Apple Store could be somewhat of an anchor for that mall and revitalize it (and I'm sure the property managers would offer a good deal because so many tenants were trying to move out.)
 
Originally posted by legion
To the Seattle members,

I thought you were getting an Apple Store in the University Village outdoor mall?!! (I could have sworn I saw that listed in one of the retail trade mags...) I remember thinking it was a good location for an Apple store because of the UW kids, but that the mall is fairly low traffic (though brimming with too many Starbucks) It seemed like most of the traffic during the day was of the urban/neo-hippie mom type (if that makes any sense) I figured the Apple Store could be somewhat of an anchor for that mall and revitalize it (and I'm sure the property managers would offer a good deal because so many tenants were trying to move out.)

Yeah, an Apple Store is coming to the U Village in the fall. And the UVillage is probably tailor made for Apple, as it's been stealing business from the UDistrict, and it caters to upscale consumers with plenty of money. It's a pretty comparable to Bellevue Square nowadays.
 
Originally posted by c2kvette
Well, Charlotte has the Carolina Panthers - but no Apple Store.
Although, I have confirmation that one is coming this fall!!

Which brings me to another topic - I want to work there part time, and if the store is to open this fall when will they start hiring???

They've already been hiring, but I see that at Apple's website they have a opening for a keyholder position.
 
Originally posted by legion
The deal with retail stores, besides worrying about market saturation and targeting customer types is that you have to deal with real estate companies and mall management. There's all kinds of wheeling and dealing that goes on to get pieces of property and then there's no guarantee that you'll get the one property before another (there could be issues with new malls or prior tenants, etc..)

...International stores are harder because of distribution channels and understanding the local markets. Even if Apple is available in Europe, their infrastructure may not be able to meet the demands for a retail store (and by the way, opening a single retail store internationally is much harder than opening five.) Accounting alone can require a much larger overhead than a company will see in return for dealing with each country's policies and amazingly enough, in this day and age, timezones can be a big problem. It goes on and on like that (until you are about to tear your hair out)....

...I completely understand Apple's growing pains in the Retail market, though I can see how to consumers it looks like a poor strategy.

Thanks, Legion
that may be the most informative post I've seen on Apple's retail strategy! I've been trying to figure out their strategy for a while and your perspective helps a lot in figuring it out. The good thing for Apple in the dealing with real estate companies and mall management is that they are a hot product. Seems everyone wants an Apple store these days. That's a far cry from when Apple tried to put a Store in Nashville (in the first year of the stores) and couldn't get any help with waivers of city ordinances. Apple now has leverage.

It does seem obvious that Apple is not trying to get stores into each state, but rather is targeting major metropolitan areas. Sorry, the existence of an NFL team doesn't seem to be the determining factor. Makes a lot of sense to go were the people are. If folks look at the population centers without an Apple store then Pittsburgh (MoxieMike take notice) is on the top of the list. That is of metro areas where stores are not already planned.

Think Secret did a list of upcoming stores that either have job listings for them or have been announced by the store locations themselves. If you interested take a look at:
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/retailroundup.html Other than the Mobile (Spanish Fort, AL) store location I've seen the listings for all the rest myself and they seem pretty reliable.

With the caveat of Legion's deals with real estate companies, the strategy would seem to call out for stores in Pittsburgh, Kansas City, San Antonio, Austin, Jacksonville, Salt Lake City, etc. Apple has made it plain that they will open up to 100 stores in the US, but after that it will be largely dependant on the success in moving market share upwards.

There are tremendous risks as well as rewards for Apple in this retail strategy, just take a look at the company's financial reports and you will see how dangerous this can be.
 
Re: If you have an NFL team you should have an Apple Store...

Originally posted by centauratlas
One would think that if your city is big enough to have an NFL team you'd have an Apple Store. Which NFL cities don't have Apple Stores?

* Jacksonville, FL

other's?
[/Q
Green Bay would be another:p
 
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