Apple's Royalty Payments to Nokia Estimated at $608 Million Up Front, ~$138 Million Per Quarter

[Red Oak]

One Word: Loser

Can Nokia 'Turn Things Around'?. No ****ing way. This company is heading for the trash heap. I give them three to five years, when the wheels come off with their effort with Microsoft. I hope Apple can then buy the patents at a steep steep discount.

I interviewed for a senior BD position with them, in their NY office. It quickly became apparent the senior team was incompetent and had never ever launched ANY meaningful consumer services. They were truly over their heads. It was a joke

At the end of the day, when Apple is printing $10B in cash a quarter, this will be a rounding error.

I'm doubling down on my bet on Apple and against Nokia. And for that matter, against Samsung.

 

[AidenShaw]

If Nokia won this suit, then why aren't other companies forced to pay apple for their technology? Their multitouch?

Multi-touch was invented in the early 80's, years before Apple even made a MAC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitouch#History

 

[NoNothing]

Fail on the comment.

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What a failure of management at Apple. They should have had their bases covered when they were designing the iPhone. Instead they took shortcuts and got called out on it.

WOW! That was the first really bad comment by someone that was totally clueless. If they got by with $6/phone and NO open access to Apple's IP, this is a major win for Apple.

 

[NoNothing]

Nope.

So we can expect $20 increases per phone from now on then.

Apple has always stated the cost of these settlements were already considered into the costs and profits of Apple financials. Basically, Apple always knew they were going to pay Nokia some amount, the question was how much. Nokia had wanted some value above FRAND <b>plus</b> full access to Apple's IP portfolio. Apple did not want to give that.

This was <i>never</i> about Apple not wanting to pay Nokia. The question was always <b>how much</b> too pay.

 

[NoNothing]

And RF communications was not invented by Nokia.

Multi-touch was invented in the early 80's, years before Apple even made a MAC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitouch#History

What is your point?

 

[AidenShaw]

Nokia's patents aren't on RF

What is your point?

Nokia didn't patent RF, they patented a number of key technologies in cellular communications.

Apple couldn't have patented multi-touch. "Pinch" was described in 1991.

joemama asked "If Nokia won this suit, then why aren't other companies forced to pay apple for their technology? Their multitouch?"

My point is that joemama's question is absurd - Apple has not patented multi-touch.

 

[MaSx]

And NOKIA changed it's business from phoneindustry giant to patent trolling >.<

And you think other company is any different from them? Everyone does it, even "Apple" --> Samsung. That's how the game is played.

 

[Vegastouch]

4 years? I have a Nokia e71, released 3 years ago. It does not suck ass.

Is there a reason why you seem so obsessed with praising apple? Perhaps youre a shareholder?

Agree, Nokia makes a good phone...that just works

 

[AppleScruff1]

Can Nokia 'Turn Things Around'?. No ****ing way. This company is heading for the trash heap. I give them three to five years, when the wheels come off with their effort with Microsoft. I hope Apple can then buy the patents at a steep steep discount.

I interviewed for a senior BD position with them, in their NY office. It quickly became apparent the senior team was incompetent and had never ever launched ANY meaningful consumer services. They were truly over their heads. It was a joke

At the end of the day, when Apple is printing $10B in cash a quarter, this will be a rounding error.

I'm doubling down on my bet on Apple and against Nokia. And for that matter, against Samsung.

Didn't get the job, huh?

 

[belletour]

i just came across this news and really felt surprised...
"Apple to pay Nokia in patent settlement" !!!!!!!!
but it is said the numbers that nokia has applied for and been granted is more than 100,000. so it is inevitable for other manufacturer to avoid such broad patent arrays, Apple is no exception.

 

[JAT]

What is your point?

Anything he can find to discredit Apple and inflate his own ego about tech trivia.

 

[AidenShaw]

Anything he can find to discredit Apple and inflate his own ego about tech trivia.

If you consider that pointing out facts to be an ego thing, Gord have mercy.

And why is countering joemama's false statement a "discredit" to Apple?

If joemama says "Apple did X", and one proves that "Apple didn't do X" - that discredits joemama, not Apple.

 

[Oletros]

Nokia had wanted some value above FRAND <b>plus</b> full access to Apple's IP portfolio.

Really? Any proof?

 

[miografico]

Can Nokia 'Turn Things Around'?. No ****ing way. This company is heading for the trash heap. I give them three to five years, when the wheels come off with their effort with Microsoft. I hope Apple can then buy the patents at a steep steep discount.

I interviewed for a senior BD position with them, in their NY office. It quickly became apparent the senior team was incompetent and had never ever launched ANY meaningful consumer services. They were truly over their heads. It was a joke

At the end of the day, when Apple is printing $10B in cash a quarter, this will be a rounding error.

I'm doubling down on my bet on Apple and against Nokia. And for that matter, against Samsung.

Wow so you're going to increase your share count in Apple to 2 whole shares? Ballsy move!

 

[caspersoong]

Hopefully this agreement won't jack up the prices again. The people here still view Apple products as luxury products, sadly.

 

[pmz]

LOL. Run for congress - you're great at sidestepping.

Now Nokia is not only negligent (in your opinion) but WILLFUL? Too funny. You also start my saying IF Apple owed money - and then you stated that Apple did owe Nokia money - the question was how much. Do you see how you shape your posts to serve your purpose/twist it anyway you can to keep Apple ahead in the arrangement?

Here's the fact. Nokia owned patents. Apple used them. Apple was sued and lost and now has to make restitution. There's no patent trolling going on. There's a legitimate patent holder who enforced their rights via the legal system.

BELIEVE me - if this were Apple's patents and Nokia was sued and lost - you'd be shouting how great it is that someone who dared opposed Apple got shot down. Of that I am certain.

So what? I'm not sure why you feel like YOU personally have won something because Apple is paying Nokia.

Personally, I hope Apple did use Nokia patents, and I wish they hadn't lost the suit.

I do not care if Nokia owned patents that Apple used. Apple is better than Nokia. Apple does better things with those patents than Nokia ever dreamed of and tacked up on the "goals" board.

I don't pretend to hide behind the right thing to do. Apple did what was best for Apple, which was make the best product, even if it meant using someone else's patents. They had the day in court to negotiate the fees to a reasonable amount, lost apparently, and are now paying through the nose.

Fortunately, it took so long to materialize that Apple's iPhone is a runaway profit-machine, and can cover the fees back to Nokia without a blink.

That is Awesome. Who cares if it wasn't perfectly neighborly.

 

[Tarzanman]

Hopefully this agreement won't jack up the prices again. The people here still view Apple products as luxury products, sadly.

They *are* luxury products, IMO.

 

[pmz]

Multi-touch was invented in the early 80's, years before Apple even made a MAC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitouch#History

Nope, multitouch was invented long before that. Do you have a link to the beginning of fingers?

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

Anything he can find to discredit Apple and inflate his own ego about tech trivia.

Really? Come on the dude was just giving facts. I know its hard to image that Apple didn't invent things like the Sun, breathing, and light but lets face it; Apple is a great company that has taken the best things in the tech world and made them pretty, easy, and fun to use.

 

[Sjhonny]

You obviously don't understand what patent trolling is.

Well ... it was kinda meant as a joke ...

 

[KnightWRX]

They *are* luxury products, IMO.

What's luxurious about Apple products ? They're your standard fare higher-end products, but they aren't luxurious (especially if we're talking about the iPhone).

 

[Sjhonny]

What's luxurious about Apple products ? They're your standard fare higher-end products, but they aren't luxurious (especially if we're talking about the iPhone).

I tend to agree. The Mac is kinda the BMW/Mercedes of the PC industry. It's a luxurious brand, enjoying extremely healthy profit margins on there products. And if there's one of there products on which they harvest extremely high profits ... It's most likely the iPhone

 

[KnightWRX]

I tend to agree. The Mac is kinda the BMW/Mercedes of the PC industry. It's a luxurious brand, enjoying extremely healthy profit margins on there products. And if there's one of there products on which they harvest extremely high profits ... It's most likely the iPhone

You agree yet contradict me ?

The Mac is a Honda or Toyota, plain and simple. There isn't a BMW of the computer industry.

And the iPhone, profit or no, is the same bland Honda/Toyota fare.

 

[AidenShaw]

I tend to agree. The Mac is kinda the BMW/Mercedes of the PC industry. It's a luxurious brand, enjoying extremely healthy profit margins on there products. And if there's one of there products on which they harvest extremely high profits ... It's most likely the iPhone

No, it's the Lexus. An over-priced Toyota.

 

[AppleScruff1]

No, it's the Lexus. An over-priced Toyota.

The performance of a Toyota at the price of a Mercedes.