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Good to see the underdog finally make it. Hopefully Ads in Maps and perhaps also on the Home Screen allows them to save a little for a rainy day.
 
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All that money from the 30% fees is basically money they got by blackmailing their customers: "Pay us that fee or you can't install that app on your phone!". I can't understand that some people still defend that.

Imagine a car manufacturer demanded 30% of the revenue, if that car is used as a taxi.
There is reasonable debate about the 30% but this analogy is terrible and more not analogous than analogous.
 
Apparently the iCloud nag messages are paying off! Now they will increase them exponentially while raising costs shortly.
 
I don’t like this pathway. I’m not a fan of ads, nor subscriptions. I remember when Jetstar started flying in Australia with 717’s they allowed advertising on the overhead bins. It was so crass and on the nose. If an advertiser wants us to watch ads, pay us for it, not Apple!
You want to be paid to watch ads? Not sure that's fully thought through... it's actually been tried too in early dot.com era, and it's terrible idea.

The fundamental choice for services is subscription or ads ... or both. Yes you can increase price of hardware to include it, but that's not sustainable. We can't expect services like maps or email, etc to be cross subsidized forever (nor should you want them to be). Paying for what you use is the best case scenario... and we should embrace it before ads become the only option (which is far worse).
 
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So much subscription fatigue... It's really getting tiresome at this point
When it comes to services that run on the cloud (still a relatively new world for many of us who grew up pre-cloud), it's that or ads (or both). An upfront lifetime fee is also possible I guess, but that's almost never to the consumers' advantage. It's just there to make people wary of subscriptions feel better :)
 
Apple is a decent company that’s come out with a relatively clean sheet after all these years. I don’t mind spending more on their services than I do on groceries!

Funny line, but if you did max out Apple services, it would be $38/month for Apple One, $60/month for an addition 12TB of storage, and $20/month for AppleCare One for three devices. So, $118/month. That's close to the roughly $120/month that is the median monthly cable+internet bill. I suspect there might be something about that amount that stays under wide consumer resistance.

Comparing to food prices... The USDA Thrifty Plan, which is the official adequacy standard for nutrition, is $273/month per adult. You might be able to get away with as low as $200/month for your food if you were exceptionally disciplined and purchasing food in bulk.
 
All that money from the 30% fees is basically money they got by blackmailing their customers: "Pay us that fee or you can't install that app on your phone!". I can't understand that some people still defend that.

Imagine a car manufacturer demanded 30% of the revenue, if that car is used as a taxi.
I really wish people would stop living under rocks. How many times has it been posted that the mass majority of devs pay 15% commission. I think it’s like 90/10. As in 90% pay 15% or less…

Please stop with the false narrative of everyone pays 30%
 
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Americans will never understand the concept of consumer protection. Right now you can choose between iOS and its gated community and Android, which collects user data. So it is the job of the autorities to stop both.
Did t answer the question except with some platitudes like “consumer protection” which means nothing in this context.
 
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You want to be paid to watch ads? Not sure that's fully thought through... it's actually been tried too in early dot.com era, and it's terrible idea.

The fundamental choice for services is subscription or ads ... or both. Yes you can increase price of hardware to include it, but that's not sustainable. We can't expect services like maps or email, etc to be cross subsidized forever (nor should you want them to be). Paying for what you use is the best case scenario... and we should embrace it before ads become the only option (which is far worse).
Well let me broaden the concept; if an advertiser wants to put an ad on my screen, they can pay me for it. They're paying Apple, and brands are paying advertising agencies, so why can't the end user be compensated for having to endure the intrusion? Ad breaks on terrestrial TV are when I go to the loo and/or make a coffee, meaning the ad had zero eyeballs on it. It's an intrusive 'cast the net wide' method, and I think it's time ads were treated the same as telemarketing calls; illegal (at least in Australia) where no existing relationship exists.
 
I guess the flip side is people outside of America expect the government endlessly regulate and to do what the market should be doing.
The private sector, and governments for that matter, can't be unconditionally trusted; American government included. I wish this was not the case, but history has shown this to be the truth time and again. "...what the market should be doing" is a nice theory but that's all it is in today's world.
 
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The private sector, and governments for that matter, can't be unconditionally trusted; American government included. I wish this was not the case, but history had shown this to be the truth time and again. "...what the market should be doing" is a nice theory but that's all it is in today's world.
Quite the conundrum.
 
Yeah but a good chunk of this 100B in service revenue for Apple are actually games, which makes the App Store the largest videogame store front in the world (and indirectly, it makes Apple the largest videogame-related company as well).

The reason I mentioned Apple TV(+) is that Apple don't seem to mind loosing money there because it brings attached benefits.

They could have a properly scaled Apple Game Studios division and deals to bring AAA releases on day one as a loss leader so to speak, though I don't think they'd loose anyoney.

Unlike MS, they don't have to release a console, they have the hardware nailed down already.
Apple “understands” the media market. The music, movie, and even books industry. They’re losing money with Apple TV, but in pretty sure they have a plan.

People who play Apple Arcade, and those who play console games aren’t the same. It’s a totally different market. And Apple simply doesn’t understand that market, and they’ve failed multiple times trying. I’m not sure they’re willing to “risk” more money for it.

Just my opinion.
 
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Services revenue taking over everything will eventually ruin the soul of why a lot of us were ever into Apple to begin with.

There’s an unavoidable tension and conflict away from a purely consumer oriented product quality focus that is created by Services revenue as a growth incentive.
 
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Services revenue taking over everything will eventually ruin the soul of why a lot of us were ever into Apple to begin with.

There’s an unavoidable tension and conflict away from a purely consumer oriented product quality focus that is created by Services revenue as a growth incentive.
Yes! Thank you for putting in to words what I was also thinking but don't have your eloquence.
 
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Services are becoming a huge part in Apple’s revenue. The new AppleCare One should definitely help in increasing revenue from subscription. At the same time would like to see AppleCare One expand globally and also monthly AppleCare+ in my country. Revenues from services are only going to increase in the future.
 
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Quick question, why shouldn't consumers be able to pick between those 2 things?
That is a choice between two evils in an oligopoly with just two giant market players. Imagine there were only two car companies. One would sell your driving history to anyone is interested and the other one would charge you a fee for using your own car.
 
That is a choice between two evils in an oligopoly with just two giant market players. Imagine there were only two car companies. One would sell your driving history to anyone is interested and the other one would charge you a fee for using your own car.
So the answer to that is more competitors in the market.
 
But how would you force competition? Not even Microsoft managed to break that duopoly. So the only chance is to make both options better for consumers.
The first thing to do is to establish what the barriers are that is preventing competition from emerging. Then enact regulation that removes those barriers.
 
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