Well i can walk into a store today and get most phones for free, but alas there is this thing called a contract and associated monthly IOU i have to pay...... if only that was free....
Keep dreaming its $299.....
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Apple's Share of Cellphone Industry Profit Estimated at 32% for First Half of 2009
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Well i can walk into a store today and get most phones for free, but alas there is this thing called a contract and associated monthly IOU i have to pay...... if only that was free....
Keep dreaming its $299.....
Every time I point out the fact that iPhones are crazy expensive, there always seems to be people who immediately come to their defense, making statements like they cost the same as the average Smartphone, or other silly comments about how other things are overpriced (that have nothing to do with the iPhone).
I don't understand if they are just rabid Apple fanboys or something equally sad. Someone who has used other phones, other plans/providers, or has only been using a regular (non "smart") cell phone can see the prices are artificially high. And when something is posted showing that Apple is making insane profit on the iPhone (not just revenue, but profit above and beyond their costs), it just backs up the argument that they are overpriced.
I think other companies like Sprint and T-Mobile should just keep airing commercials pointing out how much cheaper they are.
I don't understand if they are just rabid Apple fanboys or something equally sad. Someone who has used other phones, other plans/providers, or has only been using a regular (non "smart") cell phone can see the prices are artificially high. And when something is posted showing that Apple is making insane profit on the iPhone (not just revenue, but profit above and beyond their costs), it just backs up the argument that they are overpriced.
I think other companies like Sprint and T-Mobile should just keep airing commercials pointing out how much cheaper they are.
Please point out the statements that are even 50% wrong, and I'll say that I was wrong.
Also, if you can find anyplace where I stated that the Iphone was a monopoly, post the link.
I said that it was "interesting" that this profit report matches several of the indicators in a big deck of slides describing monopolies. As was pointed out by some others, clearly the Iphone fails other tests.
One can be sure, however, that the FCC folks who are investigating Apple/AT&T and the exclusivity agreements have seen this report.
Original post that (strongly) suggests your labeling Apple as a monopoly.
My response to you (unreplied) that points out issues with your interpretation of how Apple fares against this test given you left out / ignored other aspects of the test which strongly suggests that Apple does not qualify as a Monopoly.
How is that working out for Sprint, how many more million customers did they lose this quarter?
How is that working out for Sprint, how many more million customers did they lose this quarter?
I actually just left Sprint, which had been my carrier since the 1990s.
They were cheap, but their coverage has always been poor in my area (St. Louis). Any trip I'd made that was more than 30 minutes away, and I'd lose my signal. Any big building I'd go into, and I'd lose my signal.
The final straw was when I moved last year, I had ZERO bars at my new house (and I live close to the Arch!). With more and more people dropping home service and switching exclusively to their cell, having "Searching for Service" on my phone at home was simply unacceptable!
Everyone I knew with AT&T always had a signal. On those 30+ minute trips, when my phone was dead, theirs kept working.
AT&T costs more, but their coverage is MUCH better than Sprint (or Verizon's).
With our new AT&T phones (I got the family plan), me and my wife now get full bars at home. And my employer grants me a big AT&T discount, so the basic service is just as cheap as Sprint was for us.
I don't get a discount on the $30 Data plan or $30 Text plan though.
Apple will be the New Microsoft when I can't buy a cell phone without Apple making some licensing money off that sale.
Not only are you in a state of complete denial, but your memory seems to be fading as well. You've been on a delusional "monopoly kick" for quite a stretch now.
Does this recent post bring back any memories?
It appears that you have now surpassed the 100% mark in being wrong, yet your clouded ego prompts you to instead, make aimless attempts at saving face. Keep on whining - though it may feel good, it's not working.I'll bookmark this for the time when Apple's monopolistic and anti-competitive activities with Ipod/Itunes are deemed to be illegal.
Once again, LEGENDARY
Please work on your reading and logic skills - how does a comment about the Ipod/Itunes monopoly turn into a claim that the Iphone is a monopoly?
As mags631 clearly observed, it was your "Original post that (strongly) suggests your labeling Apple as a monopoly."
Here lies yet, another one of your posts, vying to claim that Apple is a monopoly:
Here lies yet, another one of your posts, vying to claim that Apple is a monopoly:
re-affirmed by this:
Quite vehemently, you've imposed a monopolistic view upon iPod/iTunes/iPhone universally, yet the consensus has consistently pointed toward you being flat-out wrong. Incidentally, your "Monopoly, Monopoly, Monopoly, Monopoly" ranting mantra is beginning to outshine that of your hero, Steve Ballmer. Do tell us, do you feel that the Apple Store is a Monopoly because it is unfairly successful?I'll bookmark this for the time when Apple's monopolistic and anti-competitive activities with Ipod/Itunes are deemed to be illegal.
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Originally Posted by jmargolese
And to be clear, Apple has a monopoly on the iPhone market. It's not illegal, but it's a fact. And they use this monopoly power to control the iPhone application market. Whether they are abusing that power is a matter for lawyers.
Time to set that lady straight....
This post has nothing to do with your original posts and assertions made here. It's a different person and thread.
You are a troll.
Personal insults are also against the rules, but it still happens.
My post was a tongue-in-cheek way (note the smiley) of pointing out that I'm not the only one who is of the opinion that Apple's business practices may be getting the attention of anti-trust authorities.
I'm not going to continue a back-and-forth on the original argument - that also has no further purpose. No point in a pointless fight.
But we're not talking about devices and their associated service contracts in this thread. If we were, all devices (even the free ones) are a rip off.
A service plan for a Blackberry Bold is the same as for an iPhone, no? And the sale price of the Bold and the iPhone are equivalent. So Apple's high margins are due to the fact they don't sell low-end phones that are given away for free, and they get big kickbacks from AT&T because it's a hot device, brings in subscribers, and AT&T is willing to pay for that.
Please, we're civilized here. Aiden deserves the dignity of the label astroturfer or shill. At least give him that - he works hard for it.
To be clear, my claim that you are a troll is not intended as an insult. When one considers your posts in this thread and the definition of trolling (stated above), I believe this claim is justified.
Which amounts to a petty attempt to corroborate his delusions, as well as to create a distraction to avoid ignominy.
+10
And justified, it is.
He can surely dish it, but clearly, cannot take it.
These are quite befitting as well, as in this regard, he certainly does work quite hard.
Guys we do this everyday don't we.
The labeling is getting old.
I post hundreds of comments on a Dell users forum exclusively to excoriate Dell and sing the praises of Apple stuff?
No, actually I don't...
I might set off the independent thought alarm here but what else do we have to compare Apple to that the majority of us can relate to?
Sensational criciticism isn't anything new around here either. (MS IS DEAD! DELL IS DEAD!) Hopefully you do have some rational thought to back it up. It's just went it just goes to labeling, etc.
You have no suspicions about the motivation of someone who posts hundreds of messages on a Mac users board with nothing but contempt for Apple and nothing but praise for Dell and Microsoft? Really???
Sure, the "troll" and "astroturfer" labels are thrown around too liberally, but that doesn't mean the two things don't exist at all...
We'll then, let's all settle on a more 'neutral' label for him, shall we? How about gadfly?
I don't view any of this as a problem with independent thought or contrary views. When I look at the style of debate, there are those who intend to carry out a meaningful conversation and those who do not.
Right, and these are clearly examples of forum dross -- it does not matter what slant they carry.