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How long before another Apple apologist disregards the facts?

This is truly good news for us Apple consumers. It says, "Get off your arses and innovate".

You are confusing facts with wild guesses that IDC provides. They were off by a factor of 5 for their estimated decline in Mac sales. So what kind of "facts" were those? IDC estimates on Samsung have not been grounded in reality for over three years because Samsung stopped reporting the actual numbers and started masking mobile revenue in one bucket containing mobile component sales, smartphones, dumbphones, laptops, etc...

IDC said Mac sales declined over 7% in Q1 when in fact they were near-flat with a 1.3% decline YoY. And they had actual numbers from Apple for the past 40 quarters to help them estimate that number. So much for their estimating ability.

And still, the low-cost tablet market is all about Web browsing and e-Reading and yet iPad still has over 80 or 90 percent of browser market share measured by actual advertisers. These are facts.
 
Isn't Apple's 19.5 million number actually sales and not shipments?

Also, Apple tells us the number, all the other companies' numbers are estimates, right?
 
Yep and I wish sites like MR and others would stop giving any air time to research companies that do this.

Shipped means absolutely nothing....absolutely worthless data point.

On top of that, their definition of tablet includes things that can't even do what an iPad can do. A Nook reader or Kindle reader is considered a tablet.

In the absence of all data, it isn't worthless, it just needs to be understood. It's especially enlightening data when compared with actual sold tablets.
 
The last paragraph in the article tells you why it's worthless to post these. It's a waste of everyone's time, MacRumors.
 
Shipments aside, Apple's iPad is still the thing to have. There will always be people that settle for an Android based tablet to save some money, but most still prefer iOS. Until that changes, Apple doesn't have to worry.

I could have gotten an iPad, but chose Android. Better OS, IMO. Cheaper for better specs. Unless you have a love affair with iOS, then it's a no brainer.
 
It's wierd how different firms come up with different numbers

Here's Strategy Analytics with their Q1 13 numbers:

Apple = 48.2%
Android = 43.4%
MS = 7.5%
Others = 1%

The MS discrepancy can be explained by MS selling converged devices. IDC has a very narrow definition of what a tablet is.

The bigger deal is what's in IDC's "Others" category (31% marketshare). Seems like it would be mostly Android OEM's but even if there were 10% non-Android tablets in there, Android would've still beat Apple in marketshare for the first time based on IDC numbers. You'd think that would've been bigger news.
 
hopefully at some point it will stabilize and we won't have to read again, again, again, again, again and again, and again, and again, about Apple's market share declines
 
Why does MR continue to report this crap that isn't based off shipment data from OEMs (well, except for Apple) but estimates based on who the heck knows what. :rolleyes:
 
Shipped units aren't the whole story, but it is still an indicator of popularity. A company can't just ship out 50,000,000 units and claim they've made the best selling product ever, because after awhile, it'd end up costing them far more than they're making, and stores would quit accepting them.

Shipped units doesn't give you the exact number of how many people are using your product, but if you're shipping more month after month, you're likely selling more.

Where does IDC get their estimates from and how reliable are they? Lets not forget in 2011 they predicted Windows phone to be #2 in market share by 2015.
 
No, they are sales if they are sold through Apple Stores or the online store, if they are sent to retailers they are shippments

But..but..but Apple only reports shipped and all these Android tablets and phones are just sitting in warehouses and not being sold! Shenanigans!
 
This is getting old. The first generation of Android tablets were overpriced and unfinished. Shipping sizes were a few 100k, not millions, and many of those were indeed sold with large discounts.

However today Android tablets are competitive in price and offer a decent software package (whether it is as good as iOS is debatable). There are NOT 8 million Samsung tablets sitting on the shelves, nor Kindle Fire's or Nexus 7 (the Asus number). Margins are certainly lower than for iPads, but Android tablets are in business now.

Welcome to reality!
In business no, in public market yes.

Android tablet as almost no share in the enterprise (business) market ...
 
How long before another Apple apologist disregards the facts?

This is truly good news for us Apple consumers. It says, "Get off your arses and innovate".

Considering most of these non-iPad tablet sales are probably cheaper tablets like Kindle Fire and Nexus 7 what does that have to do with innovation? Is selling consumption tablets at cost considered innovation? :confused:
 
Why does MR continue to report this crap that isn't based off shipment data from OEMs (well, except for Apple) but estimates based on who the heck knows what. :rolleyes:

Because that's the only data that is available. It's the best data we have.

To those spreading FUD like "shipments are not sales" and "I only see iPads around and never Android tablets" - remember how you did the same thing with phone sale numbers? Not so much anymore. Everybody knows now that Android phones outsell iPhone b a wide margin. It's only a matter of time before the same happens for tablets. In the mean time enjoy your lunacies :D
 
If Android tablets never sold, stores wouldn't stock them. It costs money to keep unsold stock around.

Its a complete myth saying "android tablets never sell".
 
Considering most of these non-iPad tablet sales are probably cheaper tablets like Kindle Fire and Nexus 7 what does that have to do with innovation? Is selling consumption tablets at cost considered innovation? :confused:

Yes, it takes innovation to figure out how to profitably design, manufacture and sell cheap tablets. More importantly, those "cheap" tablets have better specs than iPad Minis not to mention how much more innovative Android is compared to iOS.
 
If Android tablets never sold, stores wouldn't stock them. It costs money to keep unsold stock around.

Its a complete myth saying "android tablets never sell".

It could also be called "data denial".
 
Shipped means absolutely nothing....absolutely worthless data point.

Umm, as someone who did extensive for retail and consumer goods industry, I can safely tell you this statement is absolutely incorrect.
 
The iPad still dominates tablet web-traffic.

Link
According to mobile ad network Chitika and its analysis of hundreds of millions of ad impressions during the month of March, iPad users generated 81.9 percent of US and Canadian tablet Web traffic, an increase of 1.4 percent basis points in a month.

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"I don't know what these other tablets are doing! They must be in warehouses, or in store shelves, or maybe in somebody's bottom drawer!"
--Tim Cook, at the Sept. 12 iPhone 5 announcement.


Based on personal experience, this is exactly true.
I have two 7" Android tablets which are sitting in drawers. Don't get me wrong - they are cool little tablets and work fine. But my wife and I never use them. We each have iPads and use them daily.
 
I could have gotten an iPad, but chose Android. Better OS, IMO. Cheaper for better specs. Unless you have a love affair with iOS, then it's a no brainer.

So you prefer Android over iOS. You value specs over user experience. And you believe there is no rational reason for anyone to prefer iOS.

Serious question: what drives you to visit and post on an Apple fan site such as Macrumors?
 
Why does this matter?
:confused: Are you serious? If a tablet has enterprise market penetration then you are likely to see more non-consumption applications written for it. I doubt you are going to see a "office" application written for a Kindle fire.
@Simmias: They post on here for $. They are paid to post on here.

The funny thing is that if the iPad dominates web traffic then what are those millions of android tablets used for? Are they actually in the hands of people or sitting in a warehouse?

I actually have an e-paper kobo reader somewhere. I never use it. I only used it for about a month after I bought it and only briefly.
 
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