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There goes Apple’s famed ‘security’. Though it’s not like Apple don’t already sell our user preferences and viewing data to the highest bidder (YouTube, etc). I’ve literally had recommendations pop up in YouTube (on my iPhone ans well as my Apple TV 4K + Homepods after a phone or in person conversation…
 
Apple thought it can run AI on Apple mini’s. Hilarious. Also hilarious - watching die hard fanboys losing their mind over this. Hyper hilarious - thinking that Apple protected your privacy. They aren’t, they are just picky to whom they sell your data.
 
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The one thing crystal clear based on replies in this thread is people absolutely do not understand how datacentres work or how existing Apple services (hosted by Google & others) are able to keep your data private
It’s super discouraging. People misunderstand how computers work (specifically “the cloud”) and then are rampaging through this thread. I’m reminded of the Salem Witch Trials.
 
I don't do Google. Could be the end off the road with Apple for me. After more than 30 years.
If you’re avoiding Google, here’s a few businesses that use Google Cloud, which is what this arrangement with Apple would be.

* The Home Depot
* Target
* Lowe's
* Etsy
* Wayfair
* eBay
* Costco
* Kohl's
* L'Oréal
* Papa John's
* Shopify
* Spotify
* X
* Snap (Snapchat)
* Meta (Facebook/Instagram)
* PayPal
* Salesforce
* GitLab
* Uber
* Lyft
* Samsung
* Niantic (Pokémon GO)
* HSBC
* Goldman Sachs
* Capital One
* Equifax
* Deutsche Bank
* BBVA
* Scotiabank
* Prudential
* Block (Square/Cash App)
* The New York Times
* Sky
* Verizon
* Vodafone
* T-Mobile
* Telus
* Comcast
* Nintendo (backend infrastructure)
* Moderna
* Mayo Clinic
* McKesson
* HCA Healthcare
* Thermo Fisher Scientific
* Bayer
* IHG Hotels & Resorts
* Airbnb
* Delta Air Lines
* Airbus
* UPS

If you avoid Google on principle, you need to be consistent and avoid all those companies and many more.

Also, Apple already uses Google Cloud and receives billions of dollars from Google each year. Apple’s been doing this for years. Why jump ship now?
 
Mark Gurman is doing everything to discredit Apple, something changed between leakers / opinion makers and Apple. It probably starter when Posser got sued and Grubber stept on someone toes in Cupertino, the tone and misinformation are strong. Let’s wait the official line at wwdc, in the mean time the joint statement was pretty clear that models would run on Apple’s PCC …
 
Google's primary business model relies upon collecting and aggregating user data to be leveraged by advertisers.

Why would anyone assume that this is somehow would be different?

It doesn't matter if Google has the keys to the encrypted data, it's the optics of Google being an evil company and lack of any respect for users or their data.

Apple is paying Google to run Apple's software on Google's hardware. It's not something they're offering at a discounted rate in exchange for user data. These are totally different business segments, so far apart that they're basically different companies. It's like mixing up Berkshire Hathaway and See's Candy (a subsidiary of BH).

If Google were exposed as putting malware in their own datacenters, that'd be the end of anyone using Google Cloud. Google is far from the biggest player in the Cloud provider industry (that'd be Amazon) and there's dozens of viable competitors.

It is interesting that Google Cloud doesn't do better given I think a key technology for it all is Kubernetes, which they created...
 
Are we talking about the same privacy-caring company that handed the keys to their datacenters to the Chinese govt?


- Apple stores customer data on Chinese government servers.
- Apple now shares customer data with the Chinese government.
- Apple proactively removes apps to placate Chinese officials.
- Apple banned apps from a Communist Party critic.
- Tens of thousands of iPhone apps have disappeared in China.


Are we talking about the same privacy-caring company that allows apps that can track users and collect a ton of data on them onto their App Store?

At Apple, profit comes before privacy.

Because by law they have to? China require that all data generated in China must stored in China and Apple has to operate within the law?

There is no difference between Apple need store data in US server if date generated in US and Apple take down TikTok?

Some people in western think that because of China is so bad, Apple or all companies should not operate in China. This is pretty silly to be honest. People here think by boycotting China, they can force regime change. Well, this never worked. US tried to sanction China, all it get is China getting better on sectors being sanctioned. China doesn't need H200 from Nvidia, China has Huawei and other AI chips. China doesn't need Apple, I am sure Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo et al, are all happy to take market share from Apple. China doesn't need Boeing, I am sure Air Bus will happy to sell a ton to China and China is happy that its C919 take more market share.
 
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What’s an embarrassment Apple Intelligence is. I can’t even rewrite any of my emails without an error message coming up saying they can’t do it. I’m glad Gemini is coming at the moment. It’s ****.
 
Apple is now just Google’s luxury brand.

Want a Chevrolet phone….buy a Google Pixel.

Want a Cadillac phone from GM ( Google Motors ) buy an iPhone.
 
That's a hard NO for me. Apple is going in the wrong direction on this one, if it's true.

Apple doesn’t use its own servers for all its own services. Most tech companies don’t rely on their servers alone and also use CDNs for content delivery.
 
I wasn’t talking about privacy. Their AI “strategy” is a hot mess. Apple Intelligence is garbage.

If referencing the "Apple Intelligence" announcement, that really was not an AI 'strategy". That was mainly an attemp to capture AI hype in their stock price than any technical strategy.

Apple had a strategy toward this space before "chatGPT" became some mania thing. It was don't mention 'AI' as much as Machine Learning and apply ML to useful things. Part of the twist here was not Apple shift but the usurping of 'AI' to mean 'chatbot'. Those are no where near real equivalent (interchangable) terms.

Siri is garbage.

Siri has been somewhat in the same boat as Alexa. Substantively large userbase so a radical change is just about as disruptive as potentially helpful. They also were composed in a context where being correct vast majority of the time was a desired feature. ChatGPT opened to the door a system being acceptable if it occasionally spits out complete rubbish from time to time because succeeds more often than it fails. IF Siri doesn't know is basically says it doesn't. ChatGPT will just blow smoke at you ( How many letter 'r' appear in Strawberry ... 2. )

Siri's problems are more so tactics that strategy. Apple has chased some stuff that probably sucked up more resources than should have been allocation. Does the world need yet another AI visual slop generator ? Probably not. They seemingly stop investing in classic Siri because new foundation was 'just around the corner' . They should have done both and skipping visual slop (take the visual slop money and keep making classic Siri improvements). That is more a tactical move than a strategic one.

Similarly the push to do more Siri processing on device when possible. That isn't a bad strategy. Making the most gigantic , maximal power consuming cloud 'brain' possible is disrupting the grid. It is a 'loop' the deep pocketed tech companies and funds are chasis because that also creates a high barrier to entry. Apple chasing to dump all their spare cash into jumping off that cliff isn't a good strategy. That is more of a training issue than a necessary inference issue. Apple was never going to 'own' training.

Now they’re desperately hoping Google will bail them out. First it was on device, then private cloud compute, now Google servers. They’re obviously just making this up as they go along.

A decent amount of that is based on privacy constraints/objectives that Apple has self imposed. Another aspect of that isn't shifting Apple strategy but 'scope creep' on the what is the minimal set of 'Ai" features they feel they need to deploy. There is cloud AI doing made up images. movies clips from amateur scripts . write my 30 page essay for class and don't get caught, etc.

There should be no particular end user difference between running on PCC or spilling over to Google Cloud service is there is a demand spike. Depending upon how long the 'porting' process is to PCC for the google model If the porting process is so long that Google is on to model n+1 by the time Apple+Google have ported model n then that would be a problem. There is next to nothing in these announcement that says that is the case one way or another.
The more times they port the more of the port process will get an 'coding expert system' applied to more aspects of the problem. The chance that the port stays really long over the very long term are relatively low. (asuming keeps Apple kept their PCC hardware competitive over time. )

Using Google's model. from a using 3rd party library; not a major shift. Apple doesn't exclusively write their own C compiler. The unix utilities used to help run the system's ... lifted from BSD Unix ... that Apple doesn't license peoples stuff to implement things is smoke. In the context of creating largest piled higher and deeper stack of models.... the corollary to that is suck in as much data from the world as possible. Apple cashes this search advertising revenue sharing checks but they don't do the work ( so can claim king of privacy). Substantially similar issue here.

They’re being reactive instead of proactive and it shows. They look like they are flailing and have no real strategy.

Chasing the media hype trail is almost always reactive.

Strategy.

Apple doesn't want to be in the mega hyperscale server business. No change in strategy here at all. Current iCloud web services are provisioned in part on those vendors across the world.

Device first and only walk processing up as necessary. No real change in strategy here at all. It also happens to be a lot 'greener' and scalable if on average the workloads are distributed in size.
 
Apple is now just Google’s luxury brand.

Want a Chevrolet phone….buy a Google Pixel.

That is a bung of overblown hooey. Toyota licenses their last gen hybrid engines tech to Ford. That doesn't make Ford vehicles into Toyota vehices. There is substantially more to vehicles than the engine.

Apple is going to use Samsung screens on several iPhone models. Those are now Samsung phones? Nope.

The every query to an Apple Foundation model will filter through Apple code before it might be delegated to Apple's version of the Google model. On the query is massaged and the answer tweaked going into and coming out of the model's matters.
 
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