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Seriously, nobody could seriously claim that Apple, properly valued, was worth $700 a share a while ago, then was worth less than $400, and now is worth over $550. Anyone can argue that for various reasons one of these valuations was correct

Whatever the current stock price is, that's what it's worth because that's what people are prepared to pay, supply and demand and all that, end of story.
 
Good advice... If you put 5-10% of annual income into a good index fund at 25 years of age, you might actually be able to retire in your sixties. As long as the Zombies don't take over before then. :)

Not the zombies, again. :eek:

Diversified, unmanaged index funds. Low management fees, nobody paid huge salaries out of your money to try to outguess the market. That's the ticket. Just buy, buy, buy... preferably in an IRA or 401k, and never sell. Retire a millionaire.

That's as close to an infallible stock market system as anyone will ever know. I wish it had been around when I was 30.

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Whatever the current stock price is, that's what it's worth because that's what people are prepared to pay, supply and demand and all that, end of story.

Someone just won a Nobel Prize in Economics for demonstrating the truth in what you just said. In fact he's one of the godfathers of the unmanaged index fund method of investing that I just mentioned. The bottom line is, current stock prices reflect everything that is known about a company at every moment. So unless you as an investor can convince yourself (probably lacking any real evidence) that you are smarter than the collective wisdom of the market, then you are far better off investing in the broad markets through index funds and forget about trying to outguess the markets (or paying someone else to guess).
 
What concerns me most about Apple's future is they are losing market influence. The 80% Android number does matter for this reason.

Say a brick and mortar store decides to adopt some kind of smartphone payment system. Are they going to choose Google Wallet or Apple Passbook?

Wallet works on Android and iOS, Passbook only works on iOS. Passbook's market penetration peaks at ~16%, whereas Wallet's penetration can reach ~95%. This type of influence allows Google to shape the mobile market, in the same way Microsoft shaped the PC market.

If I'm a shop owner, I can serve both Android and iOS users by adopting Wallet, so why bother with the expense of also supporting Passbook? This will _eventually_ cause developers to not bother with iOS, and then iOS will become MacOS of the mid 90's.

Apple will need to either start to tightly integrate Google services into iOS, or they will need to open their services so they can be ran on Android. And that later approach would be extraordinarily tough, because they'd be fighting Google on Google's own turf.

Firstly, it's an unfair comparison to compare just three/four current Apple products (iPhone 5s/5c, iPad Mini + Retina, iPad Air) to the huge number of Android devices. If you look at the market share in another way, it's actually quite a feat. Just 4 products have gained Apple ~20% WORLDWIDE marketshare, whereas Android needs the thousands of phones to gain them the ~80% marketshare.
Secondly, if Apple doesn't see a reason to open up their software services, they won't. Apple will only open up their software services if they see a reason to (eg. iTunes).
Thirdly, why in the actual hell would Apple re-integrate Google services if it means a larger market penetration of Google's services? After removing Google's stock YouTube app on the iPhone, the iPhone is still very much thriving isn't it?
Another thing. Don't you Apple-haters EVER get it? iOS is preferred by developers because iOS IS MORE PROFITABLE. Android IS NOT. Get that in your head. And unless Google fixes the hilariously ridiculous fragmentation of Android, developers will still choose iOS, since they can do less work (less optimization for other devices) and earn more money.
So, who the hell cares about marketshare? Dumb investors that don't see the big picture and leading Apple-haters like you to say dumb-ass things. Get this in your head: Apple is thriving and making money more than ever. They will be around for quite sometime.
 
Whatever the current stock price is, that's what it's worth because that's what people are prepared to pay, supply and demand and all that, end of story.

Yes, because the FED has nothing to do with what's going on. LoL

$85 Billion a month anyone? Trust me, we deserve what's coming. Hedge accordingly.
 
What concerns me most about Apple's future is they are losing market influence. The 80% Android number does matter for this reason.

Say a brick and mortar store decides to adopt some kind of smartphone payment system. Are they going to choose Google Wallet or Apple Passbook?

Wallet works on Android and iOS, Passbook only works on iOS. Passbook's market penetration peaks at ~16%, whereas Wallet's penetration can reach ~95%. This type of influence allows Google to shape the mobile market, in the same way Microsoft shaped the PC market.

If I'm a shop owner, I can serve both Android and iOS users by adopting Wallet, so why bother with the expense of also supporting Passbook? This will _eventually_ cause developers to not bother with iOS, and then iOS will become MacOS of the mid 90's.

Apple will need to either start to tightly integrate Google services into iOS, or they will need to open their services so they can be ran on Android. And that later approach would be extraordinarily tough, because they'd be fighting Google on Google's own turf.

Whats' this got to do with Market price:confused:
 
Does anyone know if there's any way to buy Apple stock using Bitcoins? (I can't use cash due to tax problems).

You need a financial institution that would let you open an anonymous brokerage account using Bitcoin. That could be possible if you have a several $US million worth of Bitcoins ready to invest and have some shady connections in the Cayman Islands.
 
Problem with your theory

What concerns me most about Apple's future is they are losing market influence. The 80% Android number does matter for this reason.

Say a brick and mortar store decides to adopt some kind of smartphone payment system. Are they going to choose Google Wallet or Apple Passbook?

Wallet works on Android and iOS, Passbook only works on iOS. Passbook's market penetration peaks at ~16%, whereas Wallet's penetration can reach ~95%. This type of influence allows Google to shape the mobile market, in the same way Microsoft shaped the PC market.

If I'm a shop owner, I can serve both Android and iOS users by adopting Wallet, so why bother with the expense of also supporting Passbook? This will _eventually_ cause developers to not bother with iOS, and then iOS will become MacOS of the mid 90's.

Apple will need to either start to tightly integrate Google services into iOS, or they will need to open their services so they can be ran on Android. And that later approach would be extraordinarily tough, because they'd be fighting Google on Google's own turf.

Read below and tell me which one you think I, as a retailer, will support?

“iOS-based devices drove more than $543 million dollars in online sales, with iPad taking a 77 percent share. Android-based devices were responsible for $148 million in online sales, a 4.9 percent share of mobile driven online sales.”
 
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