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Are you serious? Where did you get that? Within the past 5 years, the iMac got a internal webcam, a remote, a aluminum enclosure. The MacBooks got an unibody enclosure and internal webcams. Mac Pros do not need innovation, they are all about power, and they are definitely powerful. The Mac mini has finally recently been updated, and is worthwhile again.

Newbies fail once again.

Probably I fail but this is my feeling. A camera and an aluminium case are not big things for me. The only way to make OSX a success is let it install in other brand PC's and then there's no sense to build their own PC's moreover if they don't let much profit compared to other products like the iPhone.
 
+1.

These will definitely cost 100-200 dollars more than an iPhone (not less) as they are going to be larger (more materials) and likely have more processing power.

Often small devices cost more as the manufactoring process is much more expensive and so are the parts.
 
That's cool...however, that's 1)illegal (OSX running on non-Apple sanctioned machines) and 2)not a commercial product.

I really am stressing #2 above...

But I hear ya that it's a good price.

Haha, yeah, I know it's illegal. eBay cancelled the auction after I paid but the seller gave me the tracking number today. I'm hoping it works well.

Hackintoshing is illegal, but so is underage drinking and other stuff everyone has done. While that doesnt make it ok, some offenses are worse then others. Hackintoshing a Dell Mini or murder? Which is worse?

Anyway, I suggest getting a mini for yourself, XP on it works ok anyway, and a little program called object-dock can give you a mac-esque dock bar. If you limit the number of Icons and increase the icon size, it works wonderfully for couch surfing and travel.

EDIT: I just know it runs OS X beautifully and if the mini I bought didn't already have OS X I would do it myself. Heck, if it comes messed up, I will re-install OS X myself.

It really is a surprising OS X machine.
 
You can repeat that all you want, but it doesn't make it true.

As it has been pointed out. Market share by revenue *is* valid, if we are looking at the relative strengths of two companies, then the size of their revenue is a much better indicator than the number of boxes they ship.

These figures imply that Apple is in a weaker position than Acer. People wince and think Apple is doing badly. But by revenue Apple is making more revenue than Dell.

Yes - profitability is another good indication of relative strengths.
If Apple sells an iPhone for $599 and makes $300 profit - and Dell sells a netbook for $300 and makes $50 profit - then it might be fair to conclude that Apple was more profitable.

These figures put a misleadingly negative spin on Apple's performance when it's HP and Dell who are in real trouble. Their revenue per unit sale is declining fast.

The netbook craze is great for consumers - and I am sure adds percentage points to these "market-share" figures. But this race to the bottom is more likely to kill HP than Apple.

C.
 
that is a surprise! wow, I mean it is recession and come on, lower the prices on high end macs and laptops by $100 to $200 and u'll c that increase again.
 
As it has been pointed out. Market share by revenue *is* valid

Now you're agreeing with me - I said that market share by revenue and by units are BOTH valid. You keep insisting that "units are meaningless" but that's simply not true.

These figures imply that Apple is in a weaker position than Acer. People wince and think Apple is doing badly. But by revenue Apple is making more revenue than Dell.

People may misinterpret these numbers, but that doesn't make them invalid or meaningless.

And there are advantages to higher units sold.
 
It has a screen, and a keyboard, and a pointing device, and runs a standard version of Windows. It's weaker than a regular PC notebook due to the Atom processor, but it's also snappier than a 5 year old PC notebook. If weak processing power is a disqualifying factor, then you have redefined the PC. Suddenly, millions of old tower PCs became "netbooks".

The atom is nowhere near more powerful than the 5 year old pentium m at 1.7 ghz or so.
 
As it has been pointed out. Market share by revenue *is* valid, if we are looking at the relative strengths of two companies, then the size of their revenue is a much better indicator than the number of boxes they ship.

These figures imply that Apple is in a weaker position than Acer. People wince and think Apple is doing badly. But by revenue Apple is making more revenue than Dell.

Yes - profitability is another good indication of relative strengths.
If Apple sells an iPhone for $599 and makes $300 profit - and Dell sells a netbook for $300 and makes $50 profit - then it might be fair to conclude that Apple was more profitable.

These figures put a misleadingly negative spin on Apple's performance when it's HP and Dell who are in real trouble. Their revenue per unit sale is declining fast.

The netbook craze is great for consumers - and I am sure adds percentage points to these "market-share" figures. But this race to the bottom is more likely to kill HP than Apple.

C.

That much is true. But saying market share by unit is not a valid stat is a little overboard.

Either way, Apple is doing things their own way, but I think iPods and iPhones have been more important to their business then macs have of late, and they have the benefit of being able to weather the recession storm with those iPod's providing tons of extra cash, which is something HP does NOT have the luxury of. Apple literally took some cheap parts, slapped some fancy looking software in them, made them the "in" thing with some slick marketing, way overpriced them and just rolled in the cash. Solid business on their part.

However, HP and Dell get a LOT of business from supplying businesses with cheap computers. This netbook craze effects the consumer market more so then the professional side. Most professionals do not use Macs, they use PC's. Only limited graphics professionals and a few other small businesses use macs. The recession has forced businesses to cut back on IT budgets and forced consumers to cut back on spending. The Macs being sold are mainly being purchased by the wealthy, who have money even in a recession. Apples numbers should only slightly be affected while HP and Dell should be getting killed. However, when things improve, Dell and HP should once again make huge leaps in units moved as companies look to upgrade those aging devices they have held off on getting replaced. By then, Apples marketshare should continue to be about the same unless they release something else that is cutting edge and exciting.

On a whole the recession hasn't been to bad to Apple, but when people get money again and things turn up, the benefit they receive is also minimal. They need a new device thats does something right if they want higher marketshare.

Further work on the iPhone as well as other very portable computers is probably the wave of the future anyway, so Apple ignoring such a sector can't help them in the long run. Unless of course they wait until it's been explored and then do it the Apple way which then sets the standard. IDK, there are so many scenarios.

Maybe a cheap Apple netbook with an iPhone like spring board and a modified OS X version will blow the competition out of the water and set a new netbook standard. We could see that kind of device in a few weeks or not for another few years.

Either way there will still be about another 30 pages of people debating something they have ZERO control over, and trying to prove to others why their opinions are better. Maybe we should just let Apple be Apple and buy what we want.
 
People may misinterpret these numbers, but that doesn't make them invalid or meaningless.

From reading this board *everyone* is misinterpreting these numbers. They see 7% shake their head and conclude that Apple ought to slash prices to "compete" with Acer.

Would we see the same reaction if the report said 1 in 3 computer dollars now goes to Apple. Apple now second biggest computer manufacturer?

These figures are deeply misleading, because they equate a $200 netbook to a $5000 Mac Pro. Both count as one unit. In what sense is that meaningful?

Unit sales don't tell us anything about the relative strengths of the companies. If a report is by analysts, there ought to be just a bit of analysis in it.

Going by unit sales, we might conclude that General Motors was doing just fine.


C.
 
This hopefully works as a wakeup call for Apple. I have no doubt that market share will rise further if Apple starts again to focus on quality AND give people what they want (choice, instead of telling them what they should want).
 
Dell "MacBook Mini" 9. Just bought it off eBay. 16GB SSD, 2GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.5.6, $350 to my door.

Repeat, $350 to my door.

haha, I am very excited, I have used Mini 9's with OS X before as my friend has one, and this is a very neat little computer. He benchmarked his with 1GB RAM and OS X and it came out faster them some of the Apple powerbooks from only a few years back. Mine with 2GB RAM should hopefully be faster then that, we will see.

EDIT: It also included the XP install disk and the XP license. Solid deal!

All one has to do to put these number in perspective (ie. a good explanation of Apple's decreasing marketshare) is read the quoted post above. Now, the average consumer would probably not go through the lengths to install a hacked version of OS X on a PC, but they're also not going to be as willing to drop $1500 on a MacBook that does little more for them than a $350 Dell netbook.
 
From reading this board *everyone* is misinterpreting these numbers. They see 7% shake their head and conclude that Apple ought to slash prices to "compete" with Acer.

Would we see the same reaction if the report said 1 in 3 computer dollars now goes to Apple. Apple now second biggest computer manufacturer?

These figures are deeply misleading, because they equate a $200 netbook to a $5000 Mac Pro. Both count as one unit. In what sense is that meaningful?

Unit sales don't tell us anything about the relative strengths of the companies. If a report is by analysts, there ought to be just a bit of analysis in it.

Going by unit sales, we might conclude that General Motors was doing just fine.

And nothing you just said backs up the claim that unit sales numbers are "meaningless".
 
Why would you want to see the numbers without Netbooks? They are going to be an huge part of the future of computers.

That's like saying a few years ago that you want to see the desktop numbers without laptops.

IMHO Apple needs a $399-$499 Netbook with the following.

9 or 10' screen
1GB RAM
16GB SSD
Intel Atom Processor (I'd love better, but that is doubtful)
Mac OS X Leopard
Integrated camera

E-Mail, internet, iLife, iChat, word processing in a (more) portable casing (then MacBook) with a much cheaper price then the MacBook

I don't know if Apple would do it, and if they did, they would add a few small features and probably ask $699 or $799 for it

While all that sounds great! I would HATE to use iLife on a Netbook, and forget about trying to put pictures into a word document while vid chatting with a friend. this is exactly the kind of scenario that makes you want to take one of those mini netbooks and throw it at someone. And that is exactly why Apple refuses to enter the market until they can make one that won't get you aggravated and behind schedule whenever you try and do something the slightest bit challenging on it. And with iLife being a major selling point for Macs, they can't release a netbook without it, but with iLife on a netbook the Atom processor would catch fire! :eek:
 
The PS3 can run Linux, which can run computer apps, so...?

And is that a mainstream use provided by Sony or is it a hack?

I'm sure there are plenty of ATM machines that are just PC hardware that is capable of running linux or windows, but that doesn't mean anyone would consider them to be PCs.
 
I assume that resolution is probably a flavor of 480?

The mini has an Intel integrated 945 chipset, which is modest. I havent checked resolution when I borrowed my buddy's Mini 9, but when mine comes in with OS X on it and 2 GB RAM, I'll let you know what it can do.

I believe I was told that you can get better then 480 on playback, but I cant confirm.
 
And nothing you just said backs up the claim that unit sales numbers are "meaningless".

Milo, go on then.
Precisely what meaning can be read into a set of numbers that equates a $200 netbook to a $5000 workstation?

When we talk about the housing market, should we equate a mansion to a trailer. Yeah that's meaningful.:rolleyes:

C.
 
The atom is nowhere near more powerful than the 5 year old pentium m at 1.7 ghz or so.
Well, sure, but even a 17 year old 486 50 MHz is by definition a PC. The argument was that Gartner was cheating by including netbooks in total PC sales. I say it's a PC, albeit a slow one. Had it been based on the Windows Mobile platform it would be a different story.
 
While all that sounds great! I would HATE to use iLife on a Netbook, and forget about trying to put pictures into a word document while vid chatting with a friend. this is exactly the kind of scenario that makes you want to take one of those mini netbooks and throw it at someone. And that is exactly why Apple refuses to enter the market until they can make one that won't get you aggravated and behind schedule whenever you try and do something the slightest bit challenging on it. And with iLife being a major selling point for Macs, they can't release a netbook without it, but with iLife on a netbook the Atom processor would catch fire! :eek:

Maybe not include all of iLife into a netbook. Maybe just iCal and Mail and stuff.

Make it so its NOT a full featured computer, but charge less for it might get some people to buy it as a second computer.
 
And that is exactly why Apple refuses to enter the market until they can make one that won't get you aggravated and behind schedule whenever you try and do something the slightest bit challenging on it.

Like the iPhone, right? ;)
 
It's a bad economy. More people got cheap PCs for Christmas. Oh well.

Not entirely true...December was Q4 2008 (which is not Q1 2009). Q4 wasn't bad for Apple...but it was the BEGINNING of the downward turn.

Any Christmas purchases were likely made in Nov or early Dec...

Also, the economy wasn't anywhere near as bad in November/December 2008 as it was in any day in 2009.

I think the economy has hit bottom, however.

-Eric
 
Thanks, I was just wondering. For a machine that is mostly surfing, the OS isn't as critical.

How is the box for video playback? What rez does it max out at?

I don't really use it for any type of video stuff...just web surfing and iTunes.

I think the max rez is 1024x800

again, it's only a 9" screen. :) Everything is small enough already...no need for 1920x1600 on a 9" screen :)
 
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