apple's version of Android fragmentation

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  1. niji, Dec 15, 2016
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    niji macrumors 6502a

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    hi

    its always much slide-showed at apple marketing events: some version of "this iOS version was the fastest adoption of an iOS system to date. already (substitute very high)% of iOS users are on our latest iOS operating system."
    then, sometimes a slide showing the android fragmentation across its android updates.
    then a wink and a yuck yuck. and a self pat on the back.

    and it is true, too.
    as far as the statistics go.

    but whats really clear is also clear that as apple pushes its iOS adoption to all supported devices, whats also true is that if the device itself is a newer device, the latest iOS update usually improves performance.

    but this does not seem to be the case for some kinds of updates. updates that include network performance or network locating or battery control tweaks.
    for updates that include these kinds of updates, its debatable if apple is really doing its users of older hardware any good for these kinds of updates.

    from the comments in forums like this, it could be said that older hardware does reach a point where iOS updates may in fact not be able to be tuned so well to the hardware in the older devices.

    leaving to wonder, at what point does it become better to not upgrade to a later iOS version.

    i wonder how google is going to handle its own updates to android on its own pixel device going forward.

    apple's tweaks to older devices can bring important security updates, etc, but it must be always thinking primarily of the experience on its newer, more powerful devices first, and care less about degradation of performance on its older devices with slower processors.

    so fragmentation is occurring. not in terms of OS version number. but in terms of achievable performance.

    apple seems to be putting in as high power of a processor as possible with each newly released hardware, and this gives additional life to the hardware to be sure, with it being able to handle later iOS releases.
     
  2. ardchoille50 macrumors 68020

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    I think it's better than the alternative. I remember buying the Motorola Cliq XT and seeing confirmation from Motorola that we would get the next version of Android (2.1). Promises kept coming. Then, out of the blue, Motorola released a statement that we would not be getting the next version of Android because the UI overlay that Motorola used (called blur) was too difficult to implement in the next version of Android. So, we were stuck on Android 1.5 with no further OS updates.

    It also used to be a fact that carriers updated Android devices to the next version of Android when the carrier got around to it - I'm not sure if this is still the case, I moved to iOS in 2012 and never looked back.

    My point is that iOS devices are offered system updates when the manufacturer (Apple) releases them, rather than when the carriers feel like getting around to it, provided the device can use the update.
     
  3. IowaLynn macrumors 6502a

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    Frusing using Android, waiting on AT&T to certify. I switched to BlackBerry DTEK60 even as they are going software only, monthly updates but out of hardware, and joined the Android crowd.

    But I think you have to wait 6-9 months for that shiny new iOS to be freer of bugs and bricking, too. So yes, iOS does gets pushed out to its users and users more likely to have auto update enabled.

    Apple doesn't seem to need carrier certification process, and is doing better staying current on bugs, but as last week shows, iCloud and iCalender are vulnerable.

    Of course even MS Windows 10 managed to disable DNS in a current update, leaving users... off-line.
     
  4. niji thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    hi
    i totally agree with you.
    thanks
     
  5. cswifx Suspended

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    I used to be an Android fanboy until I realised that I was buying more phones than the OEMs were pushing out updates. It's like every new Android version required a new phone. Switched to iOS and honestly for one device the number of updates is satisfying. Not that I hate Android, no, I just hate the way the update model works on Android.

    Also I'm an update-aholic so... Yeah.
     
  6. Shirasaki macrumors 603

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    Performance "fragmentation" is not something strong enough to say. What some users may forget is when app is adapting to new iOS version.
    One example to explain "fragmentation": one Japanese game has changed game engine in an update. Then, a wide range of android devices are excluded because of GPU compatibility issue. For iOS device? Simple: "our game requires iOS 6.0 and above to run. " From this example, android fragmentation is still pretty strong, while iOS is still better.

    Oh, lol.
     
  7. niji thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    hi shirasaki-san,

    i like the term you coined:

    Performance Fragmentation.

    i think we CAN call it precisely that.

    it begins to happen when newer iOS releases are not able to be maximized either through practicality of hardware limitation, or, through marketing strategy to not be as satisfying.

    new feature sets are determined by new hardware.
    but Performance Fragmentation happens as the device gets older, the device tends to perform not as well, or, with a much reduced set of what can reasonably be expected of it.

    this amounts to be a similar situation as android fragmentation for users who are stuck using older OS.
     
  8. Shirasaki macrumors 603

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    Or I can say, android users suffer both performance fragmentation and software fragmentation in exchange for significantly lower product price, while iOS users generally suffer performance fragmentation more than software fragmentation.
     
  9. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Hey guys, lets just define a new term entirely without bothering to look into the technical details of why an iPhone 4 is slow running a new operating system that uses security measures that phone has no hardware acceleration for!
     
  10. addamas macrumors 6502

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    It would be great to let people downgrade when and to what version they want. Current politic of Apple let's downgrade in short period of time. I am glad that I finally downgraded to 9.3.5 when there was time. Only reason for me to upgrade would be jailbreak I miss. Maybe 10.1.1 will offer that but for time being I am staying on old solid version.
    iPhone SE
     
  11. theshoehorn macrumors 6502

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    This doesn't make sense to me... It'd be like installing Windows 10 on a computer that originally ran windows XP and expecting it to run like it did back then...
     
  12. niji thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    really well analyzed.
    thanks
     
  13. niji thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    if apple in fact made it clear that a certain iOS version was "best" or "works best on" , then the Performance Fragmentation would be clearer to people.

    apple could state (example) :
    iOS 8.3 Works best with iPhone 5
    iOS 9.2 Works best with iPhone 5s
    iOS 10.0 Works best with iPhone 6, 6s, 7,7s

    etc.

    apple's version of Fragmentation would be more recognizable by people.
     
  14. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Which wouldn't work well with Apple wanting people to be on the latest possible for their device for security and other potential reasons.
     
  15. zhaoxin macrumors regular

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    > i wonder how google is going to handle its own updates to android on its own pixel device going forward.

    That is because Google only promises to support its products' updates for 18 months. Extra supporting is not guaranteed. You can find this on google's support page.
     
  16. M. Gustave macrumors 68000

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    Windows 8 was a significant performance improvement over XP on the same hardware. The only spec requirement that precluded some older machines was that it required 1366x768 monitor resolution.
     
  17. zhaoxin macrumors regular

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    Despite of what you saying is truth or not, bringing Windows 8 here is not fair. Windows 8 charges money, a lot of money, you can't upgrade from Windows Xp to Vista and to Windows 7 and to Windows 8 for free. Also, it took 11 years to get XP to 8, even beyond the history of iOS. If you compare iOS 1.0 to iOS 10, the changes are even bigger than Xp to 8.
     
  18. CTHarrryH macrumors 65816

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    Not sure why this is a surprise of any size. Every model from a hardware standpoint has had increased processor performance and later models more memory. Every software release has had increased capability and functions for each capability. Each application with its increased function uses CPU and memory resources. So a 5s will be hard to perform as well as a 7. The fact that it works at all is i think a great tribute to developers.
     
  19. addamas macrumors 6502

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    The only problem is when you upgrade and get worse and worse. They force you to update (except you apply tvOS profile or jailbreak ). From Android point of view you can downgrade any time and get everything good from hardware.
    In Apple World if you are not sneaky you will now or later face a problem people have with iOS 9.3.5 on 4s and many others soon - device is not working at it should.
    Software updates should not me forced - every "big" number is heavier for old devices and no surprise here but there is no freedom of using your device (if even there was any... )
     
  20. niji thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    well said.
    thanks
     
  21. steve23094 macrumors 68000

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    They're not.
     
  22. addamas macrumors 6502

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    But you get window with information that new update is available and it's already downloaded - if you would disable that, then we would tell that they are not forced
     
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    Depending on the manufacturer, it cost less to buy a new phone each year and have the lastes device thank buying an iPhone and getting all the updates...

    Used to be an iPhone addict, after some thoughts and switching to Xiaomi last months I will not look back.

    For 1/7th of the price I have almost the same performance (hard to belive but true) and will be upgrading phone each year (like I did with the iPhone)...and guess what? It will take 7 years to spend what I spent on 1 iPhone and I will have the latest version each year.

    Cha-ching!!!
     
  24. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    To be fair, downloaded and installed are different things.
     

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