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Apple's X11 for Mac OS X

Has anyone tried using Open Office Final X11 Beta with Apple's X11? I just downloaded it, tried running it and was informed that I need to have XDarwin. Is this still true? And if so, where do I need to download this app? I can't remember where I got it, having uninstalled it a while ago. 😕
 
Originally posted by SmileyDude
hmmm.. here's hoping that X11 becomes a standard part of the OS... maybe even integrate the X11 protocol into the OS X Window Manger, allowing X apps to connect without having to startup a separate server.

Anyone else think it's kinda ironic that Apple has done a better job of making X11 apps integrate into Aqua than Classic apps? 🙂
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I'm sorry, but I'm a WindowMaker guy myself thank you very much. It's the best WM out there.😀
 
For those of you who want to run OpenOffice, rename the X11 application to XDarwin. Should work then. I haven't tried it out so your mileage may vary.

Also if you don't want to use the Apple supplied window manager you can just edit the .xinitrc file. Last night I ran KDE for awhile til I crashed Xquartz with it. I haven't tried gnome or anything else yet.

eric
 
Both X11 and the SDK are "documentation free". I have no idea what exactly the SDK installed or how to use it. I suspect that this may ultimately be the more interesting of the two apps, as it is supposed to make porting X apps to OS X easier. For instance, I would be interested in the GIMP, which oddly has seen very little development effort for porting it.
 
Originally posted by noxon
Well, my experience is that it even works very well with the existing XDarwin install. In fact, it made XDarwin (and KDE, which is the window manager i use there) very much faster and responsive than before. X11 as a standalone app is not very good right now, but in addition to an existing XDarwin it's great.
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It completely killed my KDE install and XDarwin installs. Is there anything you had to do?
 
Assuming you installed KDE with Fink, you need to do a variety of steps so the Fink package tree and KDE recognize X11 as your current XFree86 implementation.

The instructions here on the fink site should help with removing your current XDarwin...

To summarize the important steps:

REMOVE X11... dont install it until before the last step.

in your terminal:

sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends system-xfree86

sudo rm -rf /Applications/XDarwin.app /usr/X11R6 /etc/X11

Then, install Apple's X11 and the X11 SDK (you need this for all the headers)

Then, in the terminal once again:

fink selfupdate -cvs

fink install system-xfree86


Should work! If you have any problems post em here or mail em to dely@NOSPAMfirehazardstudios.com

(edit out the NOSPAM)

I've been playing with Fink ever since OS X public beta so despite having very little UNIX knowledge, I can at least troubleshoot it with some degree of reliability... sometimes the only solution is

sudo rm -r /sw

🙁
 
Originally posted by trusted_content

I've been playing with Fink ever since OS X public beta so despite having very little UNIX knowledge, I can at least troubleshoot it with some degree of reliability... sometimes the only solution is

sudo rm -r /sw

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I know the exact feeling. I've reinstalled fink a couple of times.

I might have to again since fink isn't recognized in the terminal but I can use finkcommander to run everything. Its a strange problem.

I made the mistake of not removing the fink installed version of xfree86. So I ended up recompiling all that and making sure fink recognized the apple version.

I noticed that they recommend installing the libgl placeholders but I can't since there is no version number. I tried emailing the maintainer but there is none. I should just mention it on the users list.

Eric
 
Originally posted by cryptochrome
Both X11 and the SDK are "documentation free". I have no idea what exactly the SDK installed or how to use it. I suspect that this may ultimately be the more interesting of the two apps, as it is supposed to make porting X apps to OS X easier. For instance, I would be interested in the GIMP, which oddly has seen very little development effort for porting it.
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There is no Aqua port of GIMP, but there are X11 versions ported for Mac OS X. They are probably available on fink, but also here http://www.macgimp.org/.

Apple really did this right. It launches much faster than XDarwin, and then, at least graphics intensive processes are a lot faster. The integration is also nice. Remember this is .1 software, and therefore should not be complete, but it's close.
 
Originally posted by mmmdreg
XDarwin still owns it...btw Blackbox (get it from fink) IS the best window manager IMHO..go try it out...the default XDarwin wm is a piece of crap..
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Everyone likes different Window Managers. I personally like WindowMaker (for a full desktop) and Oroborus for just windowing (rootless). I wouldn't go so far as to say that something is the best. I recommend that people look at http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ and choose what THEY like.

- RMG
 
wOOt! Sound!

I had KDE installed via fink (comiling took 24 freakin' hours) on X!! with Xdarwin - but sound didn't work.
I try using Apple's X11 app with my existing .xinitrc - and voila! I have sound - simply wonderful. KDE's window manager works fine, but X11 doesn't allow you to hide the menubar, which is annoying for fullscreen stuff.

BTW - ona a completely unrelated note, UT2003 runs GREAT on a MAC!! Talked to the guy who is doing the port - sounds like it'll be out very sooon...
 
well you need to use a text editor. For me I just use pico in the terminal. just type "pico ./xinitrc" without the quotes.

Eric
 
how do i use x11

ok -- so i ZERO experience in UNIX, but I'm interested in OpenOffice.

so I dowload and install the x11 beta. then i download and install the OpenOffice beta.

Now what? Do i start x11 first? or will Open Office automatically startup in x11 if i start it up?

I'd rather have some advice before jumping in a really screwing things up.

thanks, y'all
 
Start x11 first, the OO scripts don't seem to start Apples x11 properly for me. An XTerm window should appear. Use this to start OO (for me type /Applications/OpenOffice.org1.0.1/program/swriter)
 
well, this is the beginners way:
If you are under Jaguar install first the X11, the rename it as x Darwin. Later install Open Office. When you run it for first time it asks for your XServer and you choose xDarwin.. That is why you rename X11.
After several minuts its Open Office starts.
 
Add them to your Applications Menu

In X11 you have an Applications menu. At the bottom is Customize... Use this to add the commands to start OpenOffice and you can start them easily. See attached screenshot for mine:
 

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