AppleTV vs. iPod Touch

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by kadeschs, Jun 8, 2009.

  1. kadeschs macrumors regular

    May 4, 2009
    I was wondering if anyone has found any iTunes solutions for the following example?

    The AppleTV is wireless capable. I have no problems syncing the AppleTV wirelessly with iTunes.

    The iPod Touch is wireless capable. I have not found a way to sync iPod Touch wirelessly with iTunes. Am I missing the obvious here?

    If Apple hardware is to be tethered to iTunes, why doesn't everything work the same?

    Thoughts, solutions, work-arounds?
  2. rball1979 macrumors regular

    Jun 6, 2008
    It's never been a feature, nor on the iPhone...
  3. dmm219 macrumors 6502

    Aug 25, 2008
    your not missing anything. It SHOULD be. It is idiotic that Apple doesn't employ this now. It probably will happen someday. Apple does really stupid things sometimes. No one really knows why (like their huge, big gapping whole in the media center market).
  4. sandman42 macrumors 6502a


    Oct 23, 2003
    The reason it's like this is speed. Most people want to connect their iPod/Touch/iPhone and have it sync quickly so they can grab it and go out the door. The :apple:TV sits around all day and can take its time sync-ing. Plus the :apple:TV can stream content that it hasn't sync-ed yet. If you tried to sync large quantities of data (e.g. lots of songs or any video) wirelessly with your iPod/Touch/iPhone it would take an unacceptably long time.
  5. atnoslen macrumors newbie

    Jun 10, 2009
    You are assuming that is the reason. It is quite hard to know the reason a feature is not implemented unless the developers explicitly give information as such. And who says wireless is not fast enough? 802.11b/g is up to 54Mbps. Let us assume one music file is 10MB. After some elementary math we see that this music file would transfer in 1.48 seconds (10,000,000 MB = 80,000,000 Mb -- 80,000,000 Mb / 54,000,000 Mb/sec = 1.48 sec) at theoretical max speed (will be slower due to network overhead, interference and/or poor connectivity). So an album of 15x 10MB songs would sync in ~22 seconds. Additionally, a 42 minute episode (650MB) would take 92 seconds at theoretical speeds. Yep, that is slow... ;)

    Here is a perfect reason I would love this feature. My iPod Touch is in my car attached via a vehicle dock. It is tucked away in a recess for obscurity and a pain to remove and replace. A wireless sync would allow me to pull into my garage and effortlessly sync to my media PC running 24 hours a day. As it stands my vehicle iPod is out of sync because of the hassle.

    And if we are just guessing reasons for this NOT being a feature, I would suspect it has something to do with file sharing. A wireless sync would more than likely require an IP of the serving computer. What is to stop someone from setting up a site you can sync to for free and bypass iTunes store completely? A simple fix would be to require a physical connection to setup the pairing of iTunes and iPod/iPhone first.

    Or failed sync'ing. Say in the middle of a sync you go out of wireless range or there is interference. How is the sync treated? Complete failure or partial sync? Easily countered with transaction based events where an event must occur successfully to be modified in the master database.

    Point is, we do not know why this feature is not implented given it's inclusion in other similar products. It could be very helpful to some, but not all. It would take a good amount of development to pull off to protect Apple's interests as well as customer's music databases from corruption. I sit by waiting for this to become a reality. To me, it is desperately needed.
  6. kadeschs thread starter macrumors regular

    May 4, 2009
    Exactly. It would seem to me that it would not have to be extremely fast if it auto-sync'd your updated content when you're within your wireless range. I would love to be able to pick up and go with my iPod that's sitting around at any time and know everything is already sync'd up and ready. No stopping to look for a USB cable, plug in the iPod to the computer, hit the sync button, etc., etc., etc. Big waste of time when you're on the go. Just not very practical. Maybe I could just keep it plugged into the computer all the time when not using it? Nah, I love to listen to podcasts by the bedside at night. Can't give that up. ROFL
  7. jhsfosho macrumors 6502

    Jun 9, 2006
    Houston, TX
    In addition to the failed syncing or partial syncing point, it may be because of battery life reasons. The Apple TV doesn't have to worry about battery life so it is connected to Wifi whenever its on. On the other hand the touch has a battery so after a certain amount of time it shuts itself off.
  8. belvdr macrumors 603

    Aug 15, 2005
    No longer logging into MR
    But if I only want to update ratings, a few new songs, then wireless would be great. I don't see your reasoning to be applicable to all sync operations. It can be an option, and it's dumb for it not to be.
  9. kadeschs thread starter macrumors regular

    May 4, 2009
    You're probably right about that. Devices like the AppleTV are plugged in so there are no issues regarding wireless draining its power.
  10. dynaflash macrumors 68020

    Mar 27, 2003
    the atv handles failed syncs all of the time, that is certainly not the issue. Who really knows ? maybe someone at apple

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