Apps Reportedly Limited to Maximum of 5GB RAM in iPadOS, Even With 16GB M1 iPad Pro

[cmaier]

That's fair. I still think the model is much worse on iPadOS ... in many cases outright broken and not just unintuitive, as I pointed out with messages/safari.

I don't really have the same problem with focus windows as you on macOS ... it's generally pretty clear (used to be even more clear) and when I lose track of focus it tends to be because I have many monitors and there's a lot to keep track of.


Yes and this is exactly why macOS should be on the iPad. Not replacing iPadOS, but as an adjunct. We have 40 years of UI iteration on macOS for window based multitasking and full operating system goodness. Meanwhile, iPadOS has its roots in a single app at a time mobile model and this split screen mode they've implemented has basically failed to evolve in the past few years. This indicates to me they have no idea where to take the model, possibly because there isn't actually anywhere to take it. I don't need or want touch-based versions of Xcode/Final Cut Pro/Photoshop, etc.

It doesn’t need to be MacOS (in fact, it shouldn’t be macos - no need to abandon the good things in iPadOS), but a more macos-like windowing interface would go a long way.

 

[chucker23n1]

Everyone is acting like it would be so impossible for apple to make the app with active focus super clear. All they have to do is make the little bar at the top of each window do something other than ”very slightly change its color without it being apparent which color means active.” Perhaps have it have a slight glow effect, or change shape, or change color to green, or something else obvious. And while they are at it, how about if I tap on that little bar, it gives that window the focus? And add keyboard commands to rotate focus through visible windows. That would all be a good start, but still wouldn’t address all the other issues with ipad multitasking (e.g. windowing arbitrary apps that don’t happen to be on your dock already is a pain, swapping an app you have in slide over with an app you have in splitview (so that they swap places) is hard, you never know for sure whether drag and drop will work, etc. And since there is no “desktop,” a whole heck of a lot of things would be easier with a yoink-style shelf where you could stage things.

In fact, you could add, I dunno, three buttons to the title bar, with functions like close, minimize, zoom, and you could be fun about it and give them traffic light coloring. And then when pressing and holding the zoom button, you could even make it more obvious to the user that they can split the screen in half, or move the window to slide over.

So many fun things are possible when you actually use the screen to show a graphical user interface rather than hide it for because Jony Ive is locked in a white room.

 

[Andropov]

In fact, you could add, I dunno, three buttons to the title bar, with functions like close, minimize, zoom, and you could be fun about it and give them traffic light coloring. And then when pressing and holding the zoom button, you could even make it more obvious to the user that they can split the screen in half, or move the window to slide over.

So many fun things are possible when you actually use the screen to show a graphical user interface rather than hide it for because Jony Ive is locked in a white room.

While I agree that iPadOS would benefit from a better windowing system, the traffic light system itself is probably not the best idea for a touch based interface. The buttons themselves are too small to use as-is, and if you make them too big you don't have a place to put them. I guess that's why Apple went with gestures, but the current implementation is a mess. Adding an application to splitview is painfully slow and difficult to discover.

 

[rkuo]

It doesn’t need to be MacOS (in fact, it shouldn’t be macos - no need to abandon the good things in iPadOS), but a more macos-like windowing interface would go a long way.

I'm just not optimistic that rethinking the iPad UI further is going to accomplish anything I care about. Apple is welcome to iterate on that as much as they want as long as they don't hold up running the perfectly good ecosystem they have for this stuff in the meanwhile. I'm fine with just running macOS on the side as needed.

If it was OK to run Windows on a Mac, surely running macOS on an iPad isn't such a terrible thing. Again, no one is suggesting that iPadOS go away.

 

[cmaier]

I'm just not optimistic that rethinking the iPad UI further is going to accomplish anything I care about. Apple is welcome to iterate on that as much as they want as long as they don't hold up running the perfectly good ecosystem they have for this stuff in the meanwhile. I'm fine with just running macOS on the side as needed.

If it was OK to run Windows on a Mac, surely running macOS on an iPad isn't such a terrible thing. Again, no one is suggesting that iPadOS go away.

I don’t care if they allow it (they won’t). I just don’t want it distracting them from making ipados the 21st century, secure, OS that also has finally had some thought put into multitasking UX.

 

[chucker23n1]

While I agree that iPadOS would benefit from a better windowing system, the traffic light system itself is probably not the best idea for a touch based interface.

I'm not saying it should work exactly like macOS.

Imagine if the Mac had the same issue, and Windows didn't (it doesn't). People would rightfully point to that as a design flaw. Being able to tell context at a glance is useful.

For the iPad, what I personally envision is that you first switch to a "I want to multitask" mode, such as by swiping up the dock, going to Exposé, or bringing up the app switcher. None of those are perfect (they're still kind of hard to discover), but if all three of those temporarily increase the size of the title bar to show additional UI, I think that would go a long way towards 1) making it more discoverable what multitasking options exist, and 2) making it more obvious which "app window" is frontmost. You swipe up from the bottom edge, and part of the content disappears in favor of more explicit UI cues.

At the end of the day, what Apple is doing here is erring towards a clean, simple look, and I think they've overshot.

The buttons themselves are too small to use as-is, and if you make them too big you don't have a place to put them. I guess that's why Apple went with gestures, but the current implementation is a mess. Adding an application to splitview is painfully slow and difficult to discover.

 

[ericwn]

Trust me mate, after wwdc ,you’re going to be drooling all over that iPad like these android fanboys are drooling over their 3 years software updates for their phones.

You were saying?

 

[LFC2020]

You were saying?

I was wrong like a lot of other people, but yet I’m man enough to admit it.

I still have a better track record than Jon Prosser 😂

Also nothing wrong with a bit of humor during these tough times that the whole world is going through

 

[ericwn]

I was wrong like a lot of other people, but yet I’m man enough to admit it.

I still have a better track record than Jon Prosser

Also nothing wrong with a bit of humor during these tough times that the whole world is going through

No other person on here spammed the forum more with their unrealistic expectations hence it will be fun to revisit them over time.

Speaking of Prosser, what will you shave off?

 

[LFC2020]

Speaking of Prosser, what will you shave off?

Don’t think you want to know 😳😂

 

[cupcakes2000]

Delete. wrong thread.

 

[LFC2020]

Delete. wrong thread.

Cupcakes 🧁😃🤤😍😂

Still haven't changed your name I see lol.

 

[jk1221]

This aged, well. All the just you wait for "dub dub!" It was WAY more than 1 person; like half the comments.

Yay, an overpowered iPad that costs 2 grand that can run the basic same OS as 14 with MOH WIDGETS; because M1 and 16gb RAM.

 

[LFC2020]

This aged, well. All the just you wait for "dub dub!" It was WAY more than 1 person; like half the comments.

Yay, an overpowered iPad that costs 2 grand that can run the basic same OS as 14 with MOH WIDGETS; because M1 and 16gb RAM.

👀😂

2 grand without a trade in. 😁😉😂

Guessing a lot of people have returned their 16gb ram model for a 8gb ram model.

 

[ericwn]

2 grand without a trade in.

Guessing a lot of people have returned their 16gb ram model for a 8gb ram model.

I’m guessing the majority were clever enough to buy what they need, or just buy what they want, but yes, we had a few folks here who somehow imagined the iPad would turn into a toaster oven after wwdc. That kind of irrationality is usually reserved for this forum.

 

[tanks]

Again understand the only reason it has 16gb ram is because the 1tb and higher Mac has that built in the m1 chip they just used the same chip to save money that’s it

Whoever said the M1 Macbook Pro's aren't upgradeable to 16GB RAM on 256GB/512GB SSDs, is wrong. I have an M2 MBP with a 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM. And you can get one with a 256GB SSD and 16GB RAM too. I know because I almost bought one with a 256GB SSD and 16GB RAM.

You can buy one yourself with a 256GB SSD and 16GB RAM right now if you want. I bought mine awhile back. There's not a limit on the RAM in regards to SSD HD space on the M1 chip for MBPs

 

[cdarlington1]

Whoever said the M1 Macbook Pro's aren't upgradeable to 16GB RAM on 256GB/512GB SSDs, is wrong. I have an M2 MBP with a 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM. And you can get one with a 256GB SSD and 16GB RAM too. I know because I almost bought one with a 256GB SSD and 16GB RAM.

You can buy one yourself with a 256GB SSD and 16GB RAM right now if you want. I bought mine awhile back. There's not a limit on the RAM in regards to SSD HD space on the M1 chip for MBPs

You have an M2 MBP? How did you get that? They aren't released yet.

 

[tanks]

You have an M2 MBP? How did you get that? They aren't released yet.

No I don't. I bought this MBP M1 awhile ago. Look at the attached images to my original post. It says it is a MBP M1 on the screen. And if you look at the other pictures, you will see you can get a MBP M1 from the website. You can literally go to the website right now, and buy a MBP M1 with 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD right now if you want to. I have had my M1 with the 512GB SSD and 16GB of RAM for months. Look at the images in my last post before this one. And then look at the receipt. Then go to the Apple website and see for yourself (https://www.apple.com/us/shop/goto/buy_mac/macbook_pro_13).

Here is my receipt (attached):

 

[ericwn]

No I don't. I bought this MBP M1 awhile ago. Look at the attached images to my original post. It says it is a MBP M1 on the screen. And if you look at the other pictures, you will see you can get a MBP M1 from the website. You can literally go to the website right now, and buy a MBP M1 with 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD right now if you want to. I have had my M1 with the 512GB SSD and 16GB of RAM for months. Look at the images in my last post before this one. And then look at the receipt. Then go to the Apple website and see for yourself (https://www.apple.com/us/shop/goto/buy_mac/macbook_pro_13).

Here is my receipt (attached):

I think you’re drifting OT a bit here. I also wouldn’t call offering additional configurations upgradeable when in fact you cannot install more RAM or a bigger SSD once you have the device at home. Apple simply offers more configurations for the Mac crowd and chose to bring just a few over to the iPad Pro line.

 

[tanks]

I think you’re drifting OT a bit here. I also wouldn’t call offering additional configurations upgradeable when in fact you cannot install more RAM or a bigger SSD once you have the device at home. Apple simply offers more configurations for the Mac crowd and chose to bring just a few over to the iPad Pro line.

I was specifically replying to someone else's post, in this thread, to prove that the MBP M1s don't need 1TB SSDs to have 16GB of RAM. I wanted to ensure nobody was getting faulty information. Then someone else commented and brought up the M2, which I also wanted to clear up. And that's it really.

 

[cdarlington1]

No I don't. I bought this MBP M1 awhile ago. Look at the attached images to my original post. It says it is a MBP M1 on the screen. And if you look at the other pictures, you will see you can get a MBP M1 from the website. You can literally go to the website right now, and buy a MBP M1 with 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD right now if you want to. I have had my M1 with the 512GB SSD and 16GB of RAM for months. Look at the images in my last post before this one. And then look at the receipt. Then go to the Apple website and see for yourself (https://www.apple.com/us/shop/goto/buy_mac/macbook_pro_13).

Here is my receipt (attached):

The text of your original post says "I have an M2 MBP with a 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM." I'm just pointing out that it can't be an M2. I have a MacMini 256gb with 16gb of ram. I can confirm that part.