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Aptoide Launching Alternative iOS Game Marketplace in EU

jlc1978 said:
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out in the EU.



I disagree. Apple can still choose what apps to allow in, as they always have; especially since there are alternative ways for developers to deliver their apps.



Size should not dictate the ability to offer exclusives to titles. If Apple or another store wanted to pay a developer for an exclusive that should be perfectly legal.
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I think all exclusives should be banned. Exclusives prevent competition by blocking access and make the marketplace messy. Look at the tv rights for most sports.
 
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mdnz said:
Having to resign a sideloaded app every 7 days sure sounds like hindering to me. We all know what is meant by sideloading (or installing, like any other computer). What Apple is doing is not providing us with it.
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It will be interesting to see what they do in the EU to comply with the DMA.

bzgnyc2 said:
On 2, Apple can decide which apps to let in to its store except based on that company's doing business with other companies. Under US law I believe that would be an illegal restraint of trade. Walmart can't refuse to carry a product because that product is also available at Target. I would be surprised if EU law is more lax in this area.
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Sure Walmart can, just as Apple can sell whatever they want in the Apple Store. Doing so has a reasonable business reason for their actions.

They do not have to carry any product and can refuse to carry any; they probably can't say "Drop Target and only sell through us."

bzgnyc2 said:
On 3, scale matters. There are things that small companies can do that large companies cannot. Then there are things that are illegal for all companies but small companies will get away with and big companies will not.
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True, but getting exclusive rights is not per se illegal.

thewill586 said:
I think all exclusives should be banned. Exclusives prevent competition by blocking access and make the marketplace messy. Look at the tv rights for most sports.
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The thing is, exclusives are big money; sports rights, for example, would be worth a fraction if exclusives were illegal.
 
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asiga said:
What I want is not an alternative appstore, but being able to open a Terminal in iOS and running a compiler, as well as all Unix commands. In fact that would fix Apple: rather than trashing MacOS, turn iOS into a real computer. Problem solved.
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I'm afraid you picked wrong ecosystem... and by choosing (and paying for it) you enable more dumber and dumber behaviours from apple...
 
NEPOBABY said:
You are one person speaking for himself. You are not the billion of people who are targeted by scammers and fake apps trying to get full access to the device. Stories are much different at wide scale. You might be an expert at using Windows and Android phones too. But you are not speaking for the millions of people who are victims of hacks and social engineering every day.

Please, think before you post things on the internet. Root access and deep level system access should not be easily accessible on any consumer device which has things like finance apps and personal information on there.

Why does that even need to be explained after all the horror stories??????? Don’t you have family, relatives, friends, employers and children who could be exploited?

Are there scammers posting on these forums and trying to make Apple customers demand things that would reduce their security?
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Fair point, but my question then is, who does get access? How do you handle the balance between freedom and security? I would be interested to hear any ideas, as it seems to be a problem without a solution.

There will always be a gatekeeper. Someone will have access. Right now it's Apple, and people who know enough to root the phone, and the people exploiting the holes they find.

Would it be better to have an official method to provide something more like root access? Who does that benefit?

For the record, I tend to agree with you. But I do see the tension on the other side from people who realize these devices could do more, but simply aren't allowed to. And who don't believe the reasons they are being told as to why it isn't allowed, because frankly some of them are demonstrably false. But some are not.
 
.wojtek said:
I'm afraid you picked wrong ecosystem... and by choosing (and paying for it) you enable more dumber and dumber behaviours from apple...
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There's no mobile ecosystem that provides a proper, rock-solid, and working "out of the box" UNIX command line. Yes, there are hacks, and even if sometimes some brand releases such a product, it's hack-ish and plenty of issues (yes, I tried). If you mean I'd use Android, no, sorry, not an option, that's Linux but broken. Linux: yes; Android: not even drunk.
 
mdnz said:
That's still gatekeeping as it has to be notarized by Apple.
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Yes, but that's allowed by the DMA:
The gatekeeper shall not be prevented from taking, to the extent that they are strictly necessary and proportionate, measures to ensure that third-party software applications or software application stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system provided by the gatekeeper, provided that such measures are duly justified by the gatekeeper.
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davide_eu said:
It is not a problem... before a$$le will be able to collect the money, EU will declare it illegal.
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Not necessarilly:

The gatekeeper shall not be prevented from taking, to the extent that they are strictly necessary and proportionate, measures to ensure that third-party software applications or software application stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system provided by the gatekeeper, provided that such measures are duly justified by the gatekeeper.
 
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AppliedMicro said:
Voters.
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BS. Lobbyists and dark money have more power than voters and there is a metric **** ton of dark money flowing through the EU and US from Asia and a lot of it comes from the scammers who want our phones to be hacked, our kids to be harassed with sextortion, our old people cheated by fake support calls.
 
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mdnz said:
Apple is currently not applying fully to the new law, the EU will come after them. It says in the new law they also cannot hinder anyone installing applications, and requiring a "Marketplace" or asking a fee to install third party apps is indeed hindering.
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Well, they’re not charging you to install an app. They are charging the developers. And even so, it’s not because people are installing the app, it’s mostly because they are using apple’s platforms, APIs and development solutions to make those apps which is fair.
 
jlc1978 said:
Not necessarilly:

The gatekeeper shall not be prevented from taking, to the extent that they are strictly necessary and proportionate, measures to ensure that third-party software applications or software application stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system provided by the gatekeeper, provided that such measures are duly justified by the gatekeeper.
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Yep,

The point is if access to the phone should be for free or not for third parties.
 
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asiga said:
There's no mobile ecosystem that provides a proper, rock-solid, and working "out of the box" UNIX command line. Yes, there are hacks, and even if sometimes some brand releases such a product, it's hack-ish and plenty of issues (yes, I tried). If you mean I'd use Android, no, sorry, not an option, that's Linux but broken. Linux: yes; Android: not even drunk.
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I'm sorry but you are comparing lacking Androind with NotInAMillionYears-having-terminal/shell iOS... Apple takes even opposite direction on macOS so expecting them to provide access to terminal is even less likely…

World runs on compromises - if you want shell then pinePhone or something with KDE Mobile Plasma would be your go-to solution... is it as polish as iPhone with iOS? Nope…
 
zoomp said:
Vote? Democracy? Judicial system? Or are you from some sort of peculiar country without a democratic system?
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The EU isn’t a country and being an EU citizen I’m embarrassed by the clowns running it. It has resulted in the continent with the most human trafficking and high crimes and the rise of extremists of all kinds.
 
purplerainpurplerain said:
The EU isn’t a country and being an EU citizen I’m embarrassed by the clowns running it. It has resulted in the continent with the most human trafficking and high crimes and the rise of extremists of all kinds.
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Probably yoi are living in another EU... as I always read here "a$$le should leave EU", the same could be for you too... you can leave this EU "run by clowns" and move in a country run by a single clown... it is just some hours flying from any major EU airport.
 
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