Aqara Launches New HomeKit-Compatible Presence Sensor

[Jamie0003]

So why would anyone who has zigbee care? There is no benefit to using Thread or Matter for adept users that have the means to pair standard devices.

If you don’t think there’s benefits to matter or thread you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about.

 

[mattaaron]

While I agree this whole Homekit vs Mothership mode is silly (and why I dont use aqara ecosystem, firmware updates can be performed in homekit-only mode.

yea know I've tried this many times and it never worked.

Are you positive you can with Aqara cameras??

Edit: Ah just realized you don't use Aqara! So maybe it's not possible with specifically with Aqara

 

[erihp]

yea know I've tried this many times and it never worked.

Are you positive you can with Aqara cameras??

Edit: Ah just realized you don't use Aqara! So maybe it's not possible with specifically with Aqara

i have a g2h with no other devices attached.

 

[erihp]

If you don’t think there’s benefits to matter or thread you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about.

Right.

The only benefit of matter and thread is that the device can be sold to work with google/amazon/apple (supposedly, in practice the implementation has been terrible).

Other than that (which isnt really some major benefit), what am i missing?

/clueless

 

[ChrisA]

If you don’t think there’s benefits to matter or thread you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about.

Mater and thread only have a "promise" to make things better in the future. For example, this new radar device can't be mater compatible even if they wanted to make it so. Mater lacks the means to control radar parameters. and Thread is useless to Apple users who don't own newer Homepod or the correct version of AppleTV.

It all goes well, these could be useful standards in perhaps 10 years.

 

[ignatius345]

you say that, but without additional 'knobs' (think some sort of timebox for overrides) this means you can only ever get basic functionality (and that's ok!)

example, if you know you want your bathtoom lights to turn Red, 60% brightness on a single fixture, only on motion between 5a-8am on weekdays, that cool integrated switch cant help ya. that thing is coming on at full brightness.

Yeah, the use case I was responding to was literally a closet.

 

[ChrisA]

Right.

The only benefit of matter and thread is that the device can be sold to work with google/amazon/apple (supposedly, in practice the implementation has been terrible).

Other than that (which isnt really some major benefit), what am i missing?

/clueless

The only other advantage is that you get to hope that one day there will be a firmware update that makes it work better. This is not much of a hope because as soon as a company stops making a product they have zero financial incentive to spend money updating firmware on devices that are no longer sold.

It sounded like such a good thing, but the implementation has so far been poor. For example, the need to do a firmware reset on a nanoleaf light bulb. Maybe this is OK if you own four bulbs in your own house. But what a hassle you have installed thousands of them in client's homes and they call you night and day about one bulb that needs to be reset. (never listen to the guy who says "It works fine" who only owns half a dozen units all in one location.)

The new standard is OK for hobby use but not for installation on hundreds of client locations. Same for motion sensors or switches. Could you imagine having to maintain thousands of these devices in hundreds of homes? The ONLY thing that makes sense today is either Lutron or Hue.

In my own home, I intentionally mix just about everything I can find and yes it is a lot of work but the goal is education and testing.

 

[erihp]

The only other advantage is that you get to hope that one day there will be a firmware update that makes it work better. This is not much of a hope because as soon as a company stops making a product they have zero financial incentive to spend money updating firmware on devices that are no longer sold.

It sounded like such a good thing, but the implementation has so far been poor. For example, the need to do a firmware reset on a nanoleaf light bulb. Maybe this is OK if you own four bulbs in your own house. But what a hassle you have installed thousands of them in client's homes and they call you night and day about one bulb that needs to be reset. (never listen to the guy who says "It works fine" who only owns half a dozen units all in one location.)

The new standard is OK for hobby use but not for installation on hundreds of client locations. Same for motion sensors or switches. Could you imagine having to maintain thousands of these devices in hundreds of homes? The ONLY thing that makes sense today is either Lutron or Hue.

In my own home, I intentionally mix just about everything I can find and yes it is a lot of work but the goal is education and testing.

I agree.

You really didnt have to explain it to me, i am informed.

It was the other guy who said if i thought matter/thread was useless i must be clueless... still waiting on what im missing...

 

[Jamie0003]

Mater and thread only have a "promise" to make things better in the future. For example, this new radar device can't be mater compatible even if they wanted to make it so. Mater lacks the means to control radar parameters. and Thread is useless to Apple users who don't own newer Homepod or the correct version of AppleTV.

It all goes well, these could be useful standards in perhaps 10 years.

That wasn’t the argument though.