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Sounds great. Well I saved my own stuff. Still have no new hosting company and a few of my websites will just be gone on July 1st. I have no time right now looking for a new solution...

I will continue using iWeb. I haven't found a good alternative yet. Too bad Apple stopped updating the app....
 
Perhaps I should have been a little more careful about what I put in Public in iDisk!!!

Yeah, truly mixed feelings there, but if you put something on the internet - you really should assume it's public forever...

Yet another reason why I don't put my crap in the cloud.

Yet another reason why I still don't consider cloud storage to be anywhere near as safe and convenient as local storage. The same reason why I find that 256GB on the MBP Retina is way, way too small in this era of hi-def-everything, as data is way too big to be downloaded on and off from a standard home connection.
 
Yet another reason why I still don't consider cloud storage to be anywhere near as safe and convenient as local storage. The same reason why I find that 256GB on the MBP Retina is way, way too small in this era of hi-def-everything, as data is way too big to be downloaded on and off from a standard home connection.

Remember that these were the PUBLIC drives? Just saying, arguing with security is bogeous. It's like saying what you post here shall never be read by anyone... Whatever was there on private drives will be lost forever if not copied before the shut-off.

I really don't know what is not to understand about that being the public data they downloaded.

I guess you guys need a different analogy: If on your Facebook account you make everything visible to all, anyone with a Facebook account will get acces and can download it. Now, even if you abandon the account (like people did with the old Apple service), it will still be accessable. Some of that are blogs, others could be whatever.
Point is that this initiative wants to save old junk data for whatever their reasons are. It's their hobby like some Oil Princes in the Saudis collect sports cars. Just assuming that their might be a questionnable motive behind it is to some degree paranoid for me. But that is just my opinion. Also: If you didn't store anything marked public, your data was not downloaded by this initiative...

Oh, and the storage options for the rMBP are up to 768GB - for those who are willing to spend the money.
 
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Remember that these were the PUBLIC drives? Just saying, arguing with security is bogeous. It's like saying what you post here shall never be read by anyone... Whatever was there on private drives will be lost forever if not copied before the shut-off.

I really don't know what is not to understand about that being the public data they downloaded.

I guess you guys need a different analogy: If on your Facebook account you make everything visible to all, anyone with a Facebook account will get acces and can download it. Now, even if you abandon the account (like people did with the old Apple service), it will still be accessable. Some of that are blogs, others could be whatever.
Point is that this initiative wants to save old junk data for whatever their reasons are. It's their hobby like some Oil Princes in the Saudis collect sports cars. Just assuming that their might be a questionnable motive behind it is to some degree paranoid for me. But that is just my opinion. Also: If you didn't store anything marked public, your data was not downloaded by this initiative...

Oh, and the storage options for the rMBP are up to 768GB - for those who are willing to spend the money.

I don't think your comparison is 100% fair. While I agree, of course, that you should have been aware that this folder can potentially be viewed by everyone and definitely not put anything too private on it, the normal case to assume is that with good chances, only people you know will browse this specific http address which contains your MobileMe user name. At least I wouldn't have assumed the scenario where a company downloads the private folder content of hundred of thousands MobileMe user "randomly". (As already asked before, how did they get the account names? Try and error or "fished" in the net or what?) Again: Personally, I wouldn't have put any private data in the public folder nevertheless. But I also don't like this kind of "service" ...
 
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Ups, sorry - that was a typing fault, I meant "public" instead of "private" ...

Now worries... anyways, if I use a service like that, I make sure I understand who has the right to the data and who has access. If I make pictures on my vacations, I don't care if people look at them as long as these are the pictures of the landscape etc. and not my family. It's more about awareness than privacy. What I see here and what I don't like is that there are people with a hobby - to collect data indiscriminantly from deletion - and people talk them down for it. The real issue is that some of them put things on publicly accessible archives without caring about that this is public and that what they put on it, they didn't want to share. So, either they didn't know what they do or it was just convenient for them and now they regret it and want to blame someone else for it. Well, good that there are scapegoats. Anybody else who didn't publicly anounce that they did it because they try to steel identities etc. gets away without being scrutinized.

My 2 cents.
 
Seems like a complete waste of space to me. Neat idea though.

Unfortunately I feel like people don't understand that time passes so quickly on the internet - so to speak, and that you cannot always go back once something is updated or taken down.
 
Now worries... anyways, if I use a service like that, I make sure I understand who has the right to the data and who has access. If I make pictures on my vacations, I don't care if people look at them as long as these are the pictures of the landscape etc. and not my family. It's more about awareness than privacy. What I see here and what I don't like is that there are people with a hobby - to collect data indiscriminantly from deletion - and people talk them down for it. The real issue is that some of them put things on publicly accessible archives without caring about that this is public and that what they put on it, they didn't want to share. So, either they didn't know what they do or it was just convenient for them and now they regret it and want to blame someone else for it. Well, good that there are scapegoats. Anybody else who didn't publicly anounce that they did it because they try to steel identities etc. gets away without being scrutinized.

My 2 cents.

Totally understand your point. In the end, I have to agree with you that you have to take care by yourself what to put in a public folder. Still don't like the unasked "preserve data" action by these guys ...
 
So much for Cloud storage

EXACTLY the reason why I won't put anything of any value to me anywhere outside of my physical control. Grabbing my iDisk content ? That's the same as stealing my wallet, to me. If you nick my wallet, purportedly for the purpose of archiving it for the future, I will still have lost my wallet, and it is still a theft. As long as companies can copy, archive, access, fiddle with my personal data, and they are free from culpability, they can forget about me using their services. Fair enough with the web sites, but iDisk data ??? Come on !!!
 
EXACTLY the reason why I won't put anything of any value to me anywhere outside of my physical control. Grabbing my iDisk content ? That's the same as stealing my wallet, to me. If you nick my wallet, purportedly for the purpose of archiving it for the future, I will still have lost my wallet, and it is still a theft. As long as companies can copy, archive, access, fiddle with my personal data, and they are free from culpability, they can forget about me using their services. Fair enough with the web sites, but iDisk data ??? Come on !!!
I think you misunderstand what's going on here. This isn't anyone's private files.

If you put your wallet on your front porch and put up a sign that said "ANYONE CAN LOOK AT THIS" -- would you get pissed if someone came and looked at it?

They are making copies of public websites for posterity, before they get taken down. They did the same thing with Geocities before Yahoo killed it.
 
Sorry but this is potentially copyright violation. Just because someone puts something on a site, it does not automatically give permission to others to download and redistribute that content regardless of password protections or lack there of.
 
Job well done, archive team... I completely forgot about them for a couple of months...

What is it with these people getting all butthurt because a bunch of Digital preservers came and downloaded all the downloadable content? Anyone could have come at any time and downloaded anything...


Besides, who has the storage/time to download 272 TERABYTES of data?
 
That's really great, I keep thinking about how unfortunate it is that all of this stuff is going to be deleted.

Also, I'm still using Snow Leopard with MobileMe for contacts & calendars, and I really don't know what I'm going to do come June 30th. Probably just go back to USB sync. (Actually, for calendars, I'll probably use the iCloud/Snow Leopard iCal hack.)

I'm using gmail to sync my contacts and calendar.
 
I feel sorry for these guys.. they are potentially saving some ignorant* people's asses, and get all these disapproving comments for their troubles. Come on guys, if you left it publicly accessible, don't whine when the public comes and accesses it! :)

Sorry but this is potentially copyright violation. Just because someone puts something on a site, it does not automatically give permission to others to download and redistribute that content regardless of password protections or lack there of.

You've got a point there, but hey, if the copyright holder has an issue I'm sure they'd be quite happy to delete it. That said, they aren't doing anything that couldn't be done before. (Anyone else could come and download your copyrighted material, and potentially "redistribute" it over email or Facebook, or a torrent, etc.)

*I say ignorant, because Apple has sent out quite a few emails already, and linked to articles that show you how to save your data. If you still haven't done so, you can't blame Apple for not warning you..
 
It's nice to know things like this exist.... I stumbled upon a website, that could have been related to this, which had the contents of old versions of websites which are since gone... such as apple.com, from about 2000 on (missing a lot of pages here and there.. but they're working on it)! The internet as a historical archive will be really important someday... just like old newspapers and such. Only in a lot of ways it's easier to delete a website than destroy all copies of a newspaper...
 
Guess I'm not sure what the point is. Was this stuff that really needed to be saved for all time?

To be clear, I don't have a problem with this or think they did anything wrong. I just don't think it was really necessary. It can be ok to just let things go, too. These guys could be on a digital edition of hoarders. ;-)
 
Job well done, archive team... I completely forgot about them for a couple of months...

What is it with these people getting all butthurt because a bunch of Digital preservers came and downloaded all the downloadable content? Anyone could have come at any time and downloaded anything...


Besides, who has the storage/time to download 272 TERABYTES of data?

Everyone . . . ten years from now. By then storage and download of terabytes of data will take only minutes and possibly seconds.
These public archives (including things like this site) will eventually be sifted and sorted by smart bot programs that gather the information for whatever reasons. That is already happening. The speed and efficiency of this process will excelerate, probably along the lines of the Moore's law processing power increase, so that more and more information will be gathered and processed. All those pictures on that site will eventually be face recognition scanned by marketers and investors (perhaps Google or pehaps its replacement).

Someday, sooner than you think, when you get that email "OMG look at this picture of you on the internet!" It won't be link to a virus or key logger, it will actually be a picture of you that someone has and suspects you don't want others to see. It will be from someone annoynmous and untraceable, probably located in a third world country, and they will offer you a very reasonable payment plan to avoid having that picture sent to everyone you know.
 
I think you misunderstand what's going on here. This isn't anyone's private files.

If you put your wallet on your front porch and put up a sign that said "ANYONE CAN LOOK AT THIS" -- would you get pissed if someone came and looked at it?

They are making copies of public websites for posterity, before they get taken down. They did the same thing with Geocities before Yahoo killed it.

Quite right. But iDisk folders ?
What if you have put things public that you shouldn't have ?
Your point with the wallet and the sign is quite right for websites, but certainly not for iDisk - to follow your allegory, I put my personal diary where you can see it, but that is not an invitation for you to look in it, and certainly not to photocopy it and put it in some archive somewhere.
Is what you are saying not that it is fair game to access, store and do whatever you want to data that has not been put behind encryption and firewalls ? I forgot to lock my front door, is that an invitation for anyone to come in and carry my stuff away ?
Just to put it into perspective : I was going through some old photos I had scanned in the other day, and came across one of my then 6 month old daughter in the bath. If I naively had put that picture up on my iDisk public folder by mistake to share it with family abroad, for example, it would now be copied to some archive - someone uninvited can come across it which makes me feel sick at heart, for obvious reasons.
What is advocated here is that anything is up for grabs if you can lay your fingers on it, and the losers are those without the adequate knowledge, skills or awareness to know that they have to protect their data, and how.
That's why I am concerned - it's a paradigm change from "it's not yours so don't touch it" to "it's not protected so I can grab it".
 
Some misunderstood my post here. Anything you put in the cloud, even when set as "private", is only a "soft" setting, as the cloud's supplier can still have a look at it (even through bots) if he feels so, unless expressly stated. That's sanctioned by the terms of use, and anything even vaguely identifying me (as Google does by logging everything anyone does with their services and build a profile from this data) should not be placed in reach of any company.

Do you guys seriously consider the "Private" folder in your Drobpox account to be out of reach of prying eyes?

Oh, and the storage options for the rMBP are up to 768GB - for those who are willing to spend the money.
Still smaller than 1TB with standard drives, smaller than an after-market dual HDD MacBook Pro could be, and of course, much, much more expensive.

(...)At least I wouldn't have assumed the scenario where a company downloads the private folder content of hundred of thousands MobileMe user "randomly". (As already asked before, how did they get the account names? Try and error or "fished" in the net or what?) Again: Personally, I wouldn't have put any private data in the public folder nevertheless. But I also don't like this kind of "service" ...
Customer's data, résumés, master's thesis data, recipes, all belong to either of the following categories: contain pieces of personal information, or need to be accessed while offline. What could be safely offloaded to the cloud are large media files that need to be locally stored for decent-speed synchronization with portable media players and living room TV. Their size compared to the current internet connections and caps just don't allow offloading these.

Still, it's not practical to have everything in the cloud, at the very last, or squarely dangerous to one's privacy. And what could be put in there is actually too large to be moved that far from the user.

EXACTLY the reason why I won't put anything of any value to me anywhere outside of my physical control. Grabbing my iDisk content ? That's the same as stealing my wallet, to me. If you nick my wallet, purportedly for the purpose of archiving it for the future, I will still have lost my wallet, and it is still a theft. As long as companies can copy, archive, access, fiddle with my personal data, and they are free from culpability, they can forget about me using their services. Fair enough with the web sites, but iDisk data ??? Come on !!!
It was the Public part, not Private, but the only difference is the former may be viewed and downloaded by any layperson, and the latter may be accessed by hackers, or any employee from the cloud storage provider, both of which without you knowing. I don't feel my data is safe with either of them, especially not in the USA. At least with local storage, you can reasonably expect to know when your data is being read. Encrypted cloud storage providers are very few and far between, and clients take significant CPU power.

Until strong encryption generalization, I will still consider cloud storage to be a honeypot of sort for companies to exert and refine bots on real-world data.
 
Sorry but this is potentially copyright violation. Just because someone puts something on a site, it does not automatically give permission to others to download and redistribute that content regardless of password protections or lack there of.

When it's posted publicly, it becomes public property, the ONLY right you have, is to delete it from your site, that doesn't even give you the right to delete it from other peoples collections. public is public. get used to it.

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I feel sorry for these guys.. they are potentially saving some ignorant* people's asses, and get all these disapproving comments for their troubles. Come on guys, if you left it publicly accessible, don't whine when the public comes and accesses it! :)



You've got a point there, but hey, if the copyright holder has an issue I'm sure they'd be quite happy to delete it. That said, they aren't doing anything that couldn't be done before. (Anyone else could come and download your copyrighted material, and potentially "redistribute" it over email or Facebook, or a torrent, etc.)

*I say ignorant, because Apple has sent out quite a few emails already, and linked to articles that show you how to save your data. If you still haven't done so, you can't blame Apple for not warning you..

I agree, except for one thing, there IS no "copyright" when you've posted it publicly, it becomes part of the public domain.

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It's nice to know things like this exist.... I stumbled upon a website, that could have been related to this, which had the contents of old versions of websites which are since gone... such as apple.com, from about 2000 on (missing a lot of pages here and there.. but they're working on it)! The internet as a historical archive will be really important someday... just like old newspapers and such. Only in a lot of ways it's easier to delete a website than destroy all copies of a newspaper...

Future archaeology's will scour through terabytes of data to see what life was like in the 90's and on. lmao.

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The only thing I put out there was a memorial site for my father-in-law so if they've preserved it as it was that's great.

Now how to access it?

MR said they contribute to Archive.org, so most likely through archive.org.
 
marcusj0015, I think you have mistaken understanding of "copyright".

Making something available to "view" is not the same thing as someone downloading and redistributing it.

For example, are not suppose to "hotlink" or embed images from a site that you do not own because that might be considered copyright infringement.

By your logic, it would be fine to record and redistribute a movie in a movie theatre?

Copyright involves not "viewing" something that is published but whether you have a "right" to "copy" and redistribute those "copies".
 
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