This 2 day research project ended up with me choosing to get an Archos 605 over the touch. -Price. 30 Gig @ 240 versus 8 Gig @ 300 Myspace is running a promotion with Archos, 20% off of the price.(This was a major deciding factor) -Flash over wifi. I love youtube, but also some other streaming sites too.(movies etc. ) -SIZE The 605 is NOT that big. -In all of the videos I have seen online, the UI is not complicated as many say it is. -With size comes resolution, and it is a VERY nice screen. -DVR capability. Adding shows like Conan overnight can help me get some sleep. There is also no moving the show from cable > PC > PMP. Less work for me. And no, I have no Tivo. And yes, I have factored in plug-in/accessory costs. Plus these shows are FREE! :cough:NBC ones included :cough: The cons of not having a touch are not really an issue with me. -I don't really use iTunes, and would NEVER use the wifi music store. -Battery life is a non issue as I'd use the 605 by an outlet somewhere or another 80% of the time. -I like both UIs, but Archos' isn't much worse than the touch's. All in all I was REALLY close to pulling the trigger on the touch. But the Archos is a better suit for me. I still think the touch has it's own niche, and it's good looks almost make me wish i was part of that niche...almost. Hopefully someone can bring me back to the light side.