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I'm currently in the market for a new Apple laptop. I have a late 2011 15" MBP. It served me well for a couple of years, but now it runs really hot and sounds like a plane is taking off. I've heard of other 2011 models having this problem as well as the new rMBPs having display problems. And then there were all the MBPs that had the video problems.

I'm depating upgrading to either the 13" MBA or the 13" rMBP. There are definitely benefits to the retina display as well as some increased power behind the system. However, the MBP's legacy of issues is scaring me. What does everyone think? I can't afford to buy a $1500 laptop every two years.

As others have mentioned, what you see on forums usually are the ones who have problems. Apple's computers are not less reliable than similarly priced computers from other companies. What you get within any product category are specific models with a design flaw, or specific series of a specific model get a batch of faulty parts from a manufacturer (which usually results in a recall or a goodwill repair), and then you have your lemons, which are bound to happen to anyone.

The experience I have with Mac laptops is that they are at least as good, hardware-wise, as other premium laptops, with the additional benefit of running an operating system whose footprint doesn't grow with use and age, making the computer seem slow over time.
 
Well since you've never owned one, how would you know?

I am quit sure that I have built, maintained and repaired more PCs than you have ever been in direct contact with. I also maintain the IT of a department with ~50 employees. I can tell you for a fact that people using Windows machines require more frequent and more time consuming support. What this means is that I encourage my users to use Macs, simply because it means less workload and more efficient work. It might sound weird, but over the lifetime of a computer, the more expensive Mac actually ends up cheaper if you look at the big picture.

So this notion that expensive = better is misleading the OP and 100% false.

Nobody said anything like that. However, we are talking laptops here. A cheap non-Apple laptop will not have the mobility, the screen quality, the ergonomy, the battery or the performance of a more expensive one. This is a fact. Laptops that perform close to Apple also cost the same.

To the OP, try out a cheap PC. Trust me, I've owned Macs and cheap PCs and I'd rather have the cash in my pocket because the PCs did everything I needed them to do.

Exactly, the devil is in the detail. If it does everything you need it to do, go for it! However, there are a lot of people for whom a cheap computer is just plainly wasted money. I'd much rather spend $2000 on a tool I can use than throw away $800 for a tool that I can't.

Bottomline: if you want a quality product that meats certain minimal criteria, you will have to pay for it. You just need to determine these criteria for your particular case. If you can be happy with a cheaper and inferior product, that's great. However, that is certainly not a reason to push an inferior product on other people.
 
I am quit sure that I have built, maintained and repaired more PCs than you have ever been in direct contact with. I also maintain the IT of a department with ~50 employees. I can tell you for a fact that people using Windows machines require more frequent and more time consuming support. What this means is that I encourage my users to use Macs, simply because it means less workload and more efficient work. It might sound weird, but over the lifetime of a computer, the more expensive Mac actually ends up cheaper if you look at the big picture.



Nobody said anything like that. However, we are talking laptops here. A cheap non-Apple laptop will not have the mobility, the screen quality, the ergonomy, the battery or the performance of a more expensive one. This is a fact. Laptops that perform close to Apple also cost the same.



Exactly, the devil is in the detail. If it does everything you need it to do, go for it! However, there are a lot of people for whom a cheap computer is just plainly wasted money. I'd much rather spend $2000 on a tool I can use than throw away $800 for a tool that I can't.

Bottomline: if you want a quality product that meats certain minimal criteria, you will have to pay for it. You just need to determine these criteria for your particular case. If you can be happy with a cheaper and inferior product, that's great. However, that is certainly not a reason to push an inferior product on other people.

Cheap does not equal inferior. Cheap often times equals smart. If someone wants to waste 2000 on a computer they don't need, good for Apple. I'm actually being altruistic b/c I'm invested in Apple stock. It only benefits me to say "yeah go spend all your money on Apple products" but no I'm being honest.

It's just more of a "feel good" thing like I'm able to afford an expensive laptop. Whatever the case, the OP should not be fooled into thinking that Apple laptops are so great. You can get a great PC for 1/3 the price and save money.

The OP should be aware that Apple laptops aren't necessarily worth the price. They give trouble and IMO it's more fashion than anything like "I'm that guy in SBUX with my Mac check me out." I don't see the value for 1585 which is what I paid.

It's like owning a Benz. I've driven Hondas and Camrys for a long time until more recently. I drive a Benz now. The only difference is people look at me more and I can show off and all that. It definitely helps if you're social bc people get impressed and are much more respectful. But the camrys and hondas were more trouble free than my benz and really nice.

Again, I have owned PCs so I would know. For most a 500 pc is more than great.
 
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I'm currently in the market for a new Apple laptop. I have a late 2011 15" MBP. It served me well for a couple of years, but now it runs really hot and sounds like a plane is taking off. I've heard of other 2011 models having this problem as well as the new rMBPs having display problems. And then there were all the MBPs that had the video problems.

I'm depating upgrading to either the 13" MBA or the 13" rMBP. There are definitely benefits to the retina display as well as some increased power behind the system. However, the MBP's legacy of issues is scaring me. What does everyone think? I can't afford to buy a $1500 laptop every two years.
Go on any forum, for any brand.

All you'll see is problems.

Nobody takes the time to search google, find macrumors, sign up, only to post a thread saying "Hey there, everything is working fine!".

What you see on a forum is a vocal minority of users experiencing issues on a very small percentage of millions of computers.
 
Again, I have owned PCs so I would know. For most a 500 pc is more than great.

I've owned lots of PCs too; I also was a Chrome OS and Chromebook advocate for Google (voluntarily) for some time. I work on an HP laptop everyday for work. Lots of experience outside of Apple.

And for my personal computers at home? I go Mac every time. You may not see it, or the value may not be there for you, but Apple offers a certain level of quality that I personally have not experienced with other devices. It's not just the hardware or software alone; it's the vertical integration of all their products that offers something more seamless and intuitive than other brands can offer at the moment.

The situation you recounted in your thread that led to much of your distaste with MacBooks was, frankly, largely your own fault. I can't help but think that your current spate of evangelism against Apple is more due to bitterness at having broken your own laptop rather than any real, widespread quality issues at Apple. Most critics and users that I've seen seem to agree that Apple = Quality.
 
Cheap does not equal inferior. Cheap often times equals smart. If someone wants to waste 2000 on a computer they don't need, good for Apple. I'm actually being altruistic b/c I'm invested in Apple stock. It only benefits me to say "yeah go spend all your money on Apple products" but no I'm being honest.

It's just more of a "feel good" thing like I'm able to afford an expensive laptop. Whatever the case, the OP should not be fooled into thinking that Apple laptops are so great. You can get a great PC for 1/3 the price and save money.

The OP should be aware that Apple laptops aren't necessarily worth the price. They give trouble and IMO it's more fashion than anything like "I'm that guy in SBUX with my Mac check me out." I don't see the value for 1585 which is what I paid.

It's like owning a Benz. I've driven Hondas and Camrys for a long time until more recently. I drive a Benz now. The only difference is people look at me more and I can show off and all that. It definitely helps if you're social bc people get impressed and are much more respectful. But the camrys and hondas were more trouble free than my benz and really nice.

Again, I have owned PCs so I would know. For most a 500 pc is more than great.

Your distaste for Macs is your own fault, based on a previous thread you created.

How many times must you be told that you are not supposed to open up the back panel of the rMBP? cMBPs are designed to be taken apart to have parts upgraded, but not rMBPs. Don't you have any bloody common sense?

If you could have kept your itchy hands to yourself and not opened it up, the creaking wouldn't have happened.

As long as you don't own up to your fault, you will get more or less the same response from just about everyone out here (and me especially).
 
Relative to the high purchase price my experience doesn't indicate that Apple is any better than a quality model like the long lasting ThinkPads we have at work.

I've seen hundreds of (college) student notebook computers over the years and of the Windows computers the business Lenovo ThinkPads stand out for quality. Their consumer models are no better than the other brands.
 
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I've seen hundreds of (college) student notebook computers over the years and of the Windows computers the business Lenovo ThinkPads stand out for quality. Their consumer models are no better than the other brands.

If you go to the lenovo forums you'll se that users are complaining that thinkpads aren't what they used to be as well.

And if you go back 10 years you'll see the same thing said about apple products when they switched to intel processors. Blah blah blah

Basically nostalgia and the way our brains work mean we are resitant to change and moan when it happens...
 
It's like owning a Benz. I've driven Hondas and Camrys for a long time until more recently. I drive a Benz now. The only difference is people look at me more and I can show off and all that. It definitely helps if you're social bc people get impressed and are much more respectful. But the camrys and hondas were more trouble free than my benz and really nice.


No offense, but I've seen your Youtube and remember some very awkwardly produced content, including one of you playing a video game . I'm pretty certain you're a kid, and all this boasting about yourself seems kind of incongruent with what I've seen..

But the clincher in those videos was the one of you "comparing" two MacBooks last April. For the final scene, you open Numbers and have the camera slightly zoom in on where you wrote "Total Net Worth: $326,205"

Anyway, why you expected two similar spec'd SSD's to perform noticeably different is beyond me.
 
I ran a mcbporo 2011 late approx 11-12 mths

was brilliant until I replaced the dvd drive with the hdd (with a bracket)

added a Samsung evo ssd+4gb ram

thats where problems began...white screen/overheating/sata cable errors..etc

since replaced with this late 2013 model/including 512ssd/8gb ram....no probs at all:cool:

I have to accept my part in self upgrading the 2011mac

never again will I open a macbook...just use it as I require:)
 
I must just be unlucky. I haven't had a MBP last over 2.5 years without major hardware problems. I feel like Apple focuses too much on aesthetics and "industrial design" but not enought on longevity of the internals.

Worth it? Borderline for me. I will never buy another Mac without the extended warranty and Amex warranty on top of that. Too low quality for the money.

What's an Amex warrranty?

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Nearly all of the issues with logic board problems on MBP and MBPrs is with the 15 inch model, and then those with the discrete GPUs. The 13 inch MBPr, and the MBA DO NOT have discrete GPUs. For that reason, I'd say you're pretty safe getting one and having it be reliable.

Thanks! I didn't know that :)

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3 iPhones, 4 Macs, 4 iPads with none of the issues people complain about on the forum.

Most people come to a forum seeking help for issues. It's like going to a hospital and concluding that there must be an epidemic in the general population because it's full of sick people.

lololol, that's certainly a good point ;)
 
Your distaste for Macs is your own fault, based on a previous thread you created.

How many times must you be told that you are not supposed to open up the back panel of the rMBP? cMBPs are designed to be taken apart to have parts upgraded, but not rMBPs. Don't you have any bloody common sense?

If you could have kept your itchy hands to yourself and not opened it up, the creaking wouldn't have happened.

As long as you don't own up to your fault, you will get more or less the same response from just about everyone out here (and me especially).

The OP should watch these videos and decide for himself whether or not to buy a Mac.

It is clear from these videos OP, that if you ask this question on an Apple forum you will seldom hear the truth.

I'm telling you an unbiased account of my experience. Don't listen to those saying its "my fault" it creaks. Watch these videos see just how many people have this problem.

And you'll see that it's clearly *another* design flaw by Apple besides bendgare for iPhone, yellow screens, radeongate, screen coating coming off, and the millions of other issues people face today.

OP, you will likely have issues with your computer. Any computer. So make sure not to blow 1500 on one. While I love Mavericks it wasn't worth it for me. Stick with a cheaper one IMO.

This is just a simple Google search. Check on YouTube for hundreds of mad customers (like myself!!!!)


https://www.google.com/search?q=macbook+creaking&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

EDIT: Here are the YouTube videos.

https://m.youtube.com/results?q=macbook%20creaking&sm=3

Also, if you do get a Mac, just understand that theres a chance you'll have trouble. You may not. Idk. But either way realize it's really expensive and that if it causes trouble, it might make you pretty upset like me.
 
Well since you've never owned one, how would you know?

I've owned not 1, but 2 cheap PCs that worked FLAWLESS for years. I also know people who have as well.

So this notion that expensive = better is misleading the OP and 100% false.

To the OP, try out a cheap PC. Trust me, I've owned Macs and cheap PCs and I'd rather have the cash in my pocket because the PCs did everything I needed them to do.

I've owned two cheap PCs also. The first one went back to the store even though I was out of the return period because it blue-screened 3 times in 6 weeks. The second developed a large, weird gray spot on the screen after a few months of use. And that second one wasn't the same brand as the first.

We use Dells at work, and I've owned a few myself. The screens are terrible. The finish they use on the frame rubs off from your wrists and looks awful within a year. And the cheaper versions have really loud keyboards.

At my old company we used Lenovos. Nothing wrong with them if you don't mind replacing your battery at least once a year.

I used to buy Vaios - high quality builds, and super light because of the carbon fiber casing. Never had an issue with any of them, but they cost more than Macs do, and Sony's not making them anymore.

So, I guess...Trust me, I've owned Macs and cheap PCs, and expensive PCs, and I'd rather have a machine that doesn't disintegrate over the first 12 months. Cheap PCs are good if you like to buy a new one every year. I'd rather spend $1500 and have a good machine for 4-6 years than spend $500-1000 every year to get a new one.

FWIW, my spouse has been buying Apple computers for 20 years and has never gotten a bad machine. He doesn't even bother buying Apple Care.
 
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The OP should watch these videos and decide for himself whether or not to buy a Mac.

It is clear from these videos OP, that if you ask this question on an Apple forum you will seldom hear the truth.

I'm telling you an unbiased account of my experience. Don't listen to those saying its "my fault" it creaks. Watch these videos see just how many people have this problem.

And you'll see that it's clearly *another* design flaw by Apple besides bendgare for iPhone, yellow screens, radeongate, screen coating coming off, and the millions of other issues people face today.

OP, you will likely have issues with your computer. Any computer. So make sure not to blow 1500 on one. While I love Mavericks it wasn't worth it for me. Stick with a cheaper one IMO.

This is just a simple Google search. Check on YouTube for hundreds of mad customers (like myself!!!!)


https://www.google.com/search?q=macbook+creaking&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

EDIT: Here are the YouTube videos.

https://m.youtube.com/results?q=macbook creaking&sm=3

Also, if you do get a Mac, just understand that theres a chance you'll have trouble. You may not. Idk. But either way realize it's really expensive and that if it causes trouble, it might make you pretty upset like me.

Again the key issue here is ignored and we've yet to see it owned up to in any of your posts. Not trying to be rude about it. If you take apart your retina macbook any subsequent faults are your fault. Period. You can't pose any logical argument stating otherwise.

Radeongate applies to no one who is currently in the market to buy a NEW laptop.

Some years ago I bought a Clevo laptop with the Radeon 7970M gpu which suffered from severe throttling issues, it was a known design flaw that could never be fixed and went totally ignored by AMD...which is why to this day I've never bought anything AMD and never will again. It happens to every brand not just Apple.

Who knows what the people in these videos did to their macs that led to the creaking or other problems? Sure the problems could've arisen on their own, but I wouldn't base my decision on some stupid videos from random people who may or may not have tinkered with their laptops. That's horrible, horrible advice.

That said, YES I agree if your machine creaks or has other issues without you opening it, then it is absolutely a problem, which happens with any brand. That is what AppleCare is for. Pony up and buy the extended warranty.

I recently swapped covers on a Nintendo 3DS and didn't perform the top cover removal properly, so the whole thing broke and wouldn't align properly without a repair company fixing it. Exact same situation as yours- pray tell how was this Nintendo's fault? It wasn't. And in your specific case it isn't Apple's fault.

The "Apple tax" is certainly worth it for many people, myself included. It gets me personalized in-person service at my local store. If I have to call for support I speak to English speaking folks. Sure on-site service by Dell and Lenovo have generally been great for me, but they also have sent out incompetent techs who couldn't fix the issues or made them worse. My favorite was when a guy snapped a bezel on my Dell while trying to replace the screen and just taped it back in place as a stop-gap and "wanted to fix it again on his own without dealing with Dell" because he knew he would get canned for that. You won't get that experience at an Apple store.

Point is, the VAST majority of problems that arise will be resolved through AppleCare, or any other company's warranty policy for that matter. With Apple you pay for the user experience and support system that is in place. I have no sympathy for people who tinker with their devices and break them, and then complain when they get no support from the company they bought the thing from.
 
You can buy whatever you can afford. There is no proof the apple laptops are superior to any other PC laptop sold for thousands or hundreds less. It's you who has to judge the quality vs price ratio.

How I see is:

* I don't like windows, I prefer os x and in my line of business, I get to choose

Just that right there alone fits me in the apple laptop domain and nothing else. So now I have to choose whether to spend $1500 or $2500. I will never buy a laptop for more than $1500 max. I don't like the idea of spending $2k on a laptop because I know for a fact there will be better and much more power and performance in the not too distant future and i will upgrade.

So for me, it's OS X first and when i do end up selling my currently macbook pro, I end up with a pretty good resale value - compared to ANY PC. I don't expect to reap in 70% to 80% of what I paid for it within 3 years but I expect at least 50%. Some people are truly despicable reselling their macs for 80% their value within 3 years because that's almost like a free rental for the original owner while the buyer eats the costs.

You use an item, it depreciates and asking for 80% of original costs is outrageous; apple brand or not!
 
You can buy whatever you can afford. There is no proof the apple laptops are superior to any other PC laptop sold for thousands or hundreds less. It's you who has to judge the quality vs price ratio.

How I see is:

* I don't like windows, I prefer os x and in my line of business, I get to choose

Just that right there alone fits me in the apple laptop domain and nothing else. So now I have to choose whether to spend $1500 or $2500. I will never buy a laptop for more than $1500 max. I don't like the idea of spending $2k on a laptop because I know for a fact there will be better and much more power and performance in the not too distant future and i will upgrade.

So for me, it's OS X first and when i do end up selling my currently macbook pro, I end up with a pretty good resale value - compared to ANY PC. I don't expect to reap in 70% to 80% of what I paid for it within 3 years but I expect at least 50%. Some people are truly despicable reselling their macs for 80% their value within 3 years because that's almost like a free rental for the original owner while the buyer eats the costs.

You use an item, it depreciates and asking for 80% of original costs is outrageous; apple brand or not!

OP, a lot of people will try to blame the customer for Apples mistakes. Don't believe it. It's just fanboys being fanboys.

I did absolutely *nothing* and yet my MacBook was creaking just like everyone on YouTube who also did nothing to cause it.

Apples faulty hardware falls solely on Apple and they are strictly to blame 100%.

The reason why Apple products have problems is because of Apple.

Go to the Genius Bar to get an idea of how many messed up Macs there are.

In fact, there are so many you'll be hard pressed to even get an appointment.

If you don't mind spending thousands for a computer that may give problems go ahead otherwise try a PC.

It's a lot cheaper making any problems you face more tolerable.

That's my strong, unwavering, 100% honest and unbiased opinion as a person that used BOTH Mac and PC.

Good luck.
 
OP, a lot of people will try to blame the customer for Apples mistakes. Don't believe it. It's just fanboys being fanboys.

I did absolutely *nothing* and yet my MacBook was creaking just like everyone on YouTube who also did nothing to cause it.

Apples faulty hardware falls solely on Apple and they are strictly to blame 100%.

The reason why Apple products have problems is because of Apple.

Go to the Genius Bar to get an idea of how many messed up Macs there are.

In fact, there are so many you'll be hard pressed to even get an appointment.

If you don't mind spending thousands for a computer that may give problems go ahead otherwise try a PC.

It's a lot cheaper making any problems you face more tolerable.

That's my strong, unwavering, 100% honest and unbiased opinion as a person that used BOTH Mac and PC.

Good luck.

Wow. Opening up your laptop = doing nothing to it? Proof that random dudes on YouTube also did nothing to theirs? Mind = blown.

I'm no fanboy, my comment above was based on years of experience with Dell, Lenovo, Clevo, and Apple laptops. Equal opportunity hater and supporter. I can't take this thread anymore. Good luck, OP, make up your own mind.
 
Go to the Genius Bar to get an idea of how many messed up Macs there are.

In fact, there are so many you'll be hard pressed to even get an appointment.

I can get one just a little over an hour from now from my local Apple Store.
And the people I know with Macs have far fewer problems than those that buy PCs, especially consumer grade models.
 

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OP, a lot of people will try to blame the customer for Apples mistakes. Don't believe it. It's just fanboys being fanboys.

I did absolutely *nothing* and yet my MacBook was creaking just like everyone on YouTube who also did nothing to cause it.

It creaked because you don't understand tension/torque for some reason. Had you screwed the panel back in properly (using the crossing pattern) it would be fine.

What you did would be equivalent to putting a tire on a car by going in a circular pattern with the lug nuts, then complaining that the tire wobbles.

But you'd then complain that the car company should design a tire that doesn't require special care to get on properly. :rolleyes:

OP, there are no major issues with the new MacBooks. The yellowing issue is long gone from production and were only present briefly when production of the retina displays began. The overheating issues from the 2011 line were the result of a faulty part used industry wide from AMD.
 
The OP should watch these videos and decide for himself whether or not to buy a Mac.

It is clear from these videos OP, that if you ask this question on an Apple forum you will seldom hear the truth.

I'm telling you an unbiased account of my experience. Don't listen to those saying its "my fault" it creaks. Watch these videos see just how many people have this problem.

And you'll see that it's clearly *another* design flaw by Apple besides bendgare for iPhone, yellow screens, radeongate, screen coating coming off, and the millions of other issues people face today.

OP, you will likely have issues with your computer. Any computer. So make sure not to blow 1500 on one. While I love Mavericks it wasn't worth it for me. Stick with a cheaper one IMO.

This is just a simple Google search. Check on YouTube for hundreds of mad customers (like myself!!!!)


https://www.google.com/search?q=macbook+creaking&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

EDIT: Here are the YouTube videos.

https://m.youtube.com/results?q=macbook%20creaking&sm=3

Also, if you do get a Mac, just understand that theres a chance you'll have trouble. You may not. Idk. But either way realize it's really expensive and that if it causes trouble, it might make you pretty upset like me.

You still have not owned up to the fact that all the problems that happened to your Mac were self-inflicted.

When will you ever own up to the fact that you are not supposed to open it up? If you had kept your bloody hands to where they belong, you wouldn't have the creaking problems.

We at the MR community here will give you the same response over and over, and we will not let you forget this fact as long as you do not own up.

If you dislike it so much, get off here and stop whining and go get yourself a cheap Windows system. We'll be glad to see you go and stop spreading FUD.
 
It creaked because you don't understand tension/torque for some reason. Had you screwed the panel back in properly (using the crossing pattern) it would be fine.

What you did would be equivalent to putting a tire on a car by going in a circular pattern with the lug nuts, then complaining that the tire wobbles.

But you'd then complain that the car company should design a tire that doesn't require special care to get on properly. :rolleyes:

OP, there are no major issues with the new MacBooks. The yellowing issue is long gone from production and were only present briefly when production of the retina displays began. The overheating issues from the 2011 line were the result of a faulty part used industry wide from AMD.

That's incorrect. It creaked because Apple has a design flaw as shown in the youtube videos. Only fanboys will defend Apple in something so obviously their fault and they're biased so not credible.

I did a google search for "common macbook problems"

The list includes sleep issues, problems with power adapters, and defective batteries.

These are mostly hardware issues. Apple has long had a hardware problem with their computers. I'm sure PCs have issues that are similar in nature but they're cheaper.

Bottom line: For a premium price, you should get a premium product. Creaking is something you would expect from an old, beaten up PC that costs 200 not an expensive mac.

The OP needs to hear the unbiased truth not this dream world Mac where everything is perfect and if anything goes wrong it's the owners fault. That's just misleading the OP.

As long as I own a Mac, I'll continue to post my thoughts in order to help people the best I can in whatever way I can. I tell the truth. The things I like AND the things I don't. The OP should hear both sides.

Source: http://www.ehow.com/list_7300850_common-problems-macbooks.html
 
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You openly admitted in the thread you created that you were unaware there is a proper order to putting the screws back in the bottom. You then stated that you shouldn't have to learn something like that. Just own up to it and move on, and never put a tire on a car without following the same method.

The bottom creaked because without making the star pattern, you're torquing a thin piece of metal out shape, thus opening up a small gap above the speaker that creaked as pressure from your hands being on the machine closed the gap.

Just please, stop with FUD when you clearly don't understand (or won't admit) that you did something wrong.

Your posts are only doing a disservice to the OP and that's why I felt I had to lay out exactly what you're talking about.
 
You openly admitted in the thread you created that you were unaware there is a proper order to putting the screws back in the bottom. You then stated that you shouldn't have to learn something like that. Just own up to it and move on, and never put a tire on a car without following the same method.

The bottom creaked because without making the star pattern, you're torquing a thin piece of metal out shape, thus opening up a small gap above the speaker that creaked as pressure from your hands being on the machine closed the gap.

Just please, stop with FUD when you clearly don't understand (or won't admit) that you did something wrong.

Your posts are only doing a disservice to the OP and that's why I felt I had to lay out exactly what you're talking about.
I wonder why the mods haven't banned him yet.
 
My experience. I was late to computers, i was into gaming and consoles. In 2007 i got my first laptop, one Asus single core 1GB RAM and 80GB HD model. It died in my opinion too early.

I had a flirt with a PC then swapped with my dad for his same model Asus which was lightly used... It died too...

It was replaced quick and cheap with an IBM T42. No issues till it became so slow it was a joke. It did however last me several years. This laptop was supposed to be temporary but it did the job so i kept it.

Then due to gaming in 2012 i got a new Samsung Quad core laptop. 6GB RAM, 1TB HD, AMD processor and graphics. Oh and windows 7. Whilst i owned this i 'tried' Mac via one beat up 2011 Classic MBP and traded it locally for a mint 2011 Air that my dad now owns. Still in full gaming mode and Mac being a huge change i wasn't ready.

>>FF>> to this year. Sadly the very nice Samsung was pretty much worthless at point of sale, under 3 years old. Mint, no issues but worthless... Sold due to Mac 'upgrade'.

I, due to only really playing one game that is fine on a Mac i got a rMBP as seen in my signature. Now i poo myself at reading the threads here BUT... I baby my tech so fingers crossed everything works well. So far i do miss Windows on occasion and i won't do bootcamp etc. Its not enough to spoil any enjoyment of my Mac.

Wrap up time. Yes Mac's are expensive but had my Samsung been a Mac instead... a 2012 Mac i know i would have had a healthy wad of cash to add to any upgrade. Also the main issue is constant constant updates. My Samsung was quick enough once booted although it did take a while to boot its a bit like Android. :D
 
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Are Macbook Pro's a good buy with all the problems they've had?

Well, sadly (or not seemingly from those out there who LoVe to complain) the MANY Happy Customers do NOT go out of their way to find a Forum and proceed to TELL people how much they really do like their new MacBook products.. Just not human nature!! :)

Apple has undoubtedly sold MANY hundreds of thousands of these items monthly (near 4.1M MAC pieces quarterly in 2014) and I think the percentage of unhappiness must be miniscule accordingly _ However _ ;)

As always, there will be several absolute problems _ perhaps luckily I have had a couple that were quickly fixed over the seven years + that I have had a MBP.. I am on my 4th one now as of a month ago (mid-2014 rMBP 15" refurb) and all the previous ones I owned since 2006 are still being used by family and friends out there somewhere.. Happy Shopping!! :apple:
 
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