Are people mis-interpreting "aggressive price point"?

Discussion in 'MacBook' started by MVApple, Sep 15, 2008.

  1. MVApple macrumors 6502a

    Jul 18, 2008
    People seem to take this to mean that the macbooks will drop in price, but couldn't it also mean that instead of simply dropping the price Apple is going to put in higher quality components? So far the rumors are stating LED screens, and a "thin" aluminum designs.

    I don't think Apple is the type of company that will ever make low end products, as least not while Steve Jobs is around. Even if Apple does start making laptops with a lower price, that higher quality component laptops are still offered.

    I'm still waiting for manufacturers to offer laptops with ips screens, make a BTO, there are many of us who will be glad to pay for a nicer screen.
  2. iToaster macrumors 68000


    May 3, 2007
    In front of my MacBook Pro
    I think aggressive price point is interpreted as improving sales, such as bringing back the $999 Apple laptop (Apple bumped the low end MacBook up to $1099 from the previous iBook's $999), so by hearing aggressive price point one has to think lower prices.
  3. zap2 macrumors 604


    Mar 8, 2005
    Washington D.C
    I think people are just hoping...I know I am!

    999 would be"reasonable", they did it with the iBook. 899 or 799 would be amazing! But even that might be a reach.
  4. akm3 macrumors 68020

    Nov 15, 2007
    The only reason Apple would consider changing to the lower priced strategy is if they really believe that sales are at a tipping point, where they can gain 10 or 30% marketshare by having a slightly lower priced product to get people in.

    Right now *everyone* has heard about Apple and has at least glanced at the Macs. Many dismiss them as too expensive given the specs, and saying "it's like your computer *but better!*" is a hard sales strategy.

    This is their chance to swoop in and really convert users before Microsoft has a chance to sweep the Vista debacle under the rug with Windows 7 (which I'll bet is just Vista with a new skin, ala Mojave, so they can get it out the door quickly)

    So, Apple could strike, other then the overall economic conditions, there has never been a better time for Apple to take marketshare away from Windows.
  5. andyr2120 macrumors member

    Apr 26, 2008
    This is all I am hoping for - a refreshed design, slightly more capable, and just a bit easier on the wallet. If you were already looking at the current models, how could you turn down one down after changes like that?

    If the design is clever enough, they might even be able to do it all without lowering margins.
  6. cdbob macrumors member

    Sep 15, 2008
    We are not assuming this because we want cheaper computers, we are assuming 899 for reasons of competition with pcs, and it will make a big difference.
  7. Beric macrumors 68020


    Jan 22, 2008
    Bay Area
    As I posted in the front page thread, $899 is still $200-$300 more than the HP and Dell competition.

    And to the OP, just think how much specs the new Macbooks would have to have to be price-competitive with PC's, while maintaining the current price points. Apple won't do it because they can get away with high profit margins.
  8. MVApple thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Jul 18, 2008
    The point of entry for Apple is higher. But a lot of those $700 dollar pc's that you talk about are basic, heavy, and big. I would know because I'm on one right now. Apple has a good amount of momentum right now because the iPod Touch and the iPhone are so revolutionary that people are more interested in what else Apple has to offer. I'm sure Apple could spend less money on R&D and crank out some no frills computers to price match windows machines, but that would not be very characteristic of Apple. Making nice designs and getting those laptops down to an inch of thickness takes serious work that not many manufacturers invest in doing so because most manufacturers go for the $700 value market and in order to get there you can't spend so much time in R&D.

    In short, Apple products will probably always carry a premium price, not because Apple's profit margins are huge relative to their competitors, but because they invest more into bringing out a nicer product. One inch laptops and innovations like magsafe power adapters don't end up in $700 dollar laptops. On the other hand, if you're looking for "most bang for your buck" then yes, Apple isn't the best place to look because those little features they come up with (multi-touch trackpad) do add to the overall cost and are features that people don't "need" but they are features that go into a premium product.
  9. Beric macrumors 68020


    Jan 22, 2008
    Bay Area
    Actually, if you read my post here, you'll see that PC's with equivalent weight and thickness still cost significantly less than a Macbook, and yet come out with better specs.

    Weight and thickness aren't reasons to get a Macbook. You an get PC's just as light and thin, for less, with better hardware.
  10. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

    Tallest Skil

    Aug 13, 2006
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    Thank you for being someone who isn't me that knows they won't make it $600.

    Or $700.

    Or $800.

    I think they'll keep the same prices and give us more for the money.
  11. JPIndustrie macrumors 6502a


    Mar 12, 2008
    Queens, NY
    I whole-heartily agree. Mac sales are growing, regardless of what the nay-sayers want you to think. I stand by my initial assessment that with the move to Intel, the only next logical major step is to move into software (a la putting Mac OS X into other things, besides the Mac). Having a lower-price is really going to 'push' everyone and will just be the tup of the iceburg.

    Definitely. While their commercials with an old, stodgy looking balding guy claiming to be 'Windows' are cute, in the end - when normal, everyday people have a choice between a $600 laptop at Circuit City, and a $1099 base Macbook, I can see why they would make that choice.

    Absolutely. It's the first rule of Economics 101, lower the price, people will come. Look at the iPhone. Nobody cares that the 'new' '3G' data plan has little value compared to the 'old' data plan, at $199 they think they're getting a steal. Look at where Apple is now. Saying "New Macbooks - Twice the Speed, 1/6th less the price" would sell. I guarantee it. :D
  12. Breegy macrumors 6502


    Jun 19, 2008
    I agree. The idea of them dropping to even $899 isn't reasonable. I can see $999 because the student discount is at that price, but that's about all.

    Apple makes luxury products. Just like brand name clothes cost $50 more when they're just clothes. They're going to wear differently, probably more comfortably, but they're still clothes all the same. Just like with Mac, to some its worth it, to others its not. I personally think its worth it (Macs, not brand name clothes. lol). :rolleyes:

    I paid $800 for a Gateway laptop and it's died on me about six different times. Lost all of my files every time. The $200 extra it would have costed me to get a MB would have been worth it, like a million times over... I wish I had known. :( If you're already going to spend that much on a product, you might as well spend the extra few hundred to make it worth it. (This is a little different with the Macbook Pro, and the extra thousand you'd have to pay just to get a dedicated graphics card... now that's a whole different problem, and totally not worth it.)
  13. hogfaninga macrumors 65816


    Aug 16, 2008
    Chestnut Tree Cafe
    I agree. Common sense says that however after every new update they give more for the money. That is how technology works. I just don't think they are going to give as much in this new update as many think(some yes). If you think a new case is major then I guess it is.
  14. ksabek macrumors member

    Sep 15, 2008
    Like what I realized so far about apple, like for the past 2 years, is that they release new versions of the products but different price, big example is the ipod, always newer generations have the same price double the size, thats what they do same price better specs.
    So for the macs I think it will be the same, even though for the same price you pay for a macbook you could get an amazing PC but still apple know that what people pay for it is worth it because the Mac OS is better and different that the Windows.
  15. JG271 macrumors 6502a


    Dec 17, 2007
    You could be right - LED screens are expensive, although the iPods and iPhone have recently seen a price drop - it would generate a lot of money in the run up to the holidays.

    Maybe even the mini is going and being replaced by a cheaper macbook?

    However it is only a rumor and people often read into things too much (me included!) , so that they can complain when things don't meet their expectations:p
  16. m1stake macrumors 68000

    Jan 17, 2008
    "Aggressive pricing" means that the product will be priced to compete with other products like it. That would mean a price drop.


    If the 4% margin decrease is accurate, that's less than $50 on the base macbook. $50 off $1100 isn't going to make them fly off the shelves, so I would be inclined to agree that faster components will be used to justify their price tag.
  17. polaris20 macrumors 68020

    Jul 13, 2008
    Absolutely true. Too bad you get a crappy OS with them though as well as crappy support.
  18. wordmunger macrumors 603


    Sep 3, 2003
    North Carolina
    1.34 inches isn't "just as thin" as 1.08 inches. It's 24 percent thicker. It's the difference between a very sleek computer and a "chunky" one. Clearly there are plenty of people who'd rather have a fat cheap computer with more features than a slim, pricier, minimalist machine, but saying it's "equivalent" in thickness is pushing it.

    That said, I'd consider $899 to be an "aggressive" price for a Macbook, which means the real price will probably be $999.
  19. Beric macrumors 68020


    Jan 22, 2008
    Bay Area
    Regardless of what you say (and I know plenty of people who are happy with Windows), competitive pricing means the laptops are priced similarly to other laptops with similar specs. As most other laptops similar to Macbooks tend to be $400 to $500 cheaper, then competitive pricing means either there will be an additional $400-500 worth of components put in, or else the price will drop $400-500, or some combination of the two. If none of those things happens, then the laptops are not competitively priced.
  20. nick9191 macrumors 68040

    Feb 17, 2008
    I'm expecting 2gb RAM and a Superdrive standard for the same price or $100 lower.

    I see people expecting a $599 Macbook and I laugh to myself.

    I'm not going to get into the whole pricing war, no one cares, if you want a Mac pay the price, if you don't theres the door.

    I could list tens of reasons why Macs are in fact cheaper, but I wish not to bore you.
  21. Eidorian macrumors Penryn


    Mar 23, 2005
    I'm sticking with my $999 prediction on the MacBook. Apple was good at sticking around the $999 mark back in the PowerPC days.
  22. iMacmatician macrumors 601

    Jul 20, 2008
    I think so, although a slight price drop or increase is possible. From the conference call in July,

    So I would say similar prices but both technical (like X1600 -> 8600M GT) and spec (128 MB VRAM -> 256 MB VRAM) upgrades.
  23. MVApple thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Jul 18, 2008
    I read your posts and it misses all the points. Ok first of all most manufacturers never go below approximately 1.34" of thickness. Going below that point, especially to 1.08" takes serious effort. That effort translates to a higher cost laptop. You can argue that Apple should of made their laptops thicker and dropped the price but Apple is a premium products with premium features. Now in the first laptop you listed at $810 you conveniently forget to mention that this has an AMD processor. AMD processors are cheaper than intel processors, you're comparing Apple's to HP's er.. Oranges. The graphics card is much nicer, it has the Macbook beat there. The second hp notebook is only $150 dollars more than a macbook though. First you say Apple is 300-400 dollars more above pcs and now you say 400-500 more. In the examples you gave Apple was $150-389 dollars more.

    Now lets take into account that these notebooks features a whooping ZERO innovations. No magsafe adapter, and no multi-touch pads. Do these have optical outputs for sound and hdmi outputs as well? How about firewire? Let's take into account that these run OSX as well and I'm not seeing the price difference you're talking about. Now what about battery life? My dad has an hp notebook and it has terrible battery life, it lasts about 2 hours if he's working with wifi on. My toshiba notebook I'm on right now lasts even less than that with wifi on.

    If Apple cut back there R&D and delievered notebooks in basic packages then they would hit similar price points, but Apple instead chooses to deliver premium products with premium features and because of that you will not find them to be "Best bang for the buck".

    Lenovo recently released the U330 that has a ton of nice features for the price, I made a post about here on the macbook forum. I'm eager to see how the new Macbook competes spec wise.
  24. Luzzio macrumors regular


    Feb 12, 2008
    Apple loves their high profit margins and they know they can get away with it.

    Any company which provides an alternative to the common/mainstream product will always have the luxury of higher profit margins (if they have the same cost which I think they should... since apple sells as many as dell and hp if I'm not mistaken?), regardless of build quality, how much better the OS is, design (though they tend to be better designed, or more eccentric), etc.

    The main difference between Macs and PC's is that one will run OS X, and the other cant. And as long as people are willing to pay that extra bit to use OS X... apple computers will always be more expensive generally.

    Add on: With that said... Apple has always been a pretty interesting brand. You may call it a 'luxury' brand or a premium product... but it seems pretty arguable that it just doesn't depend on the brand name to sell. People who buy macs, imho, would probably tend to have a higher level of satisfaction than the average PC user.
  25. andrewdale macrumors 6502a

    Jan 28, 2008
    Memphis, TN
    My only question, is how can they improve the Macbook specs "so much" without encroaching upon the MBP?

    There will need to be a lot of changes to the MBP line in order for the Macbook to see such increases. Just my $.02

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