Are the Apple Watch apps pre installed? If they are can we remove them?

[I7guy]

What does underlying OS code have to do with it? We are talking about an app not the underlying capabilities. We don't get some specific default Bluetooth device apps (like let's say for a speaker or headphones or something) on the phone just because the phone supports Bluetooth. They are different things even if they are related.

Does it really matter where the code is and what you call it? People want to remove unused features and people have all sorts of quirky definitions. And if we're debating what bloat ware is, as you pointed out previously, everyone has their own view. The classic definition of bloat is not what people commonly refer to on these forums.

 

[C DM]

Does it really matter where the code is and what you call it? People want to remove unused features and people have all sorts of quirky definitions. And if we're debating what bloat ware is, as you pointed out previously, everyone has their own view. The classic definition of bloat is not what people commonly refer to on these forums.

Seems like we are discussing differnt things here. This particular discussion is about a specific app that doesn't do anything for the device unless another device is obtained and used. The app is certainly not something that provides anything useful to those with just the device itself, meaning it's certainly not "core" or needed aside from those who get another device and can then install that app to use with that device if/when they would want that.

 

[sflomenb]

So what you are advocating if you don't have a Bluetooth device you should be able to remove the Bluetooth code?

you don't really know it not what the app does until you pair an iwatch.

Apple and oranges, you can turn Bluetooth off like it's not even there.

 

[I7guy]

Seems like we are discussing differnt things here. This particular discussion is about a specific app that doesn't do anything for the device unless another device is obtained and used. The app is certainly not something that provides anything useful to those with just the device itself, meaning it's certainly not "core" or needed aside from those who get another device and can then install that app to use with that device if/when they would want that.

I am of the opinion it's not bloat ware since its part of the ecosystem, even if you currently don't have the device. Since it can't be deleted, move it to a folder.

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Apple and oranges, you can turn Bluetooth off like it's not even there.

Turning it off is not the same as removing the code and stack associated with the code.

 

[C DM]

I am of the opinion it's not bloat ware since its part of the ecosystem, even if you currently don't have the device. Since it can't be deleted, move it to a folder.

The app has no useful or really any function on the device itself, thus can certainly be considered bloat and certainly not related to "core" functionality of the device.

How it can be dealt with or how much of a bother it is, is another completely separate and different aspect of it.

 

[I7guy]

The app has no useful or really any function on the device itself, thus can certainly be considered bloat and certainly not related to "core" functionality of the device.

How it can be dealt with or how much of a bother it is, is another completely separate and different aspect of it.

Well there is no discussion on how to deal with it. You only have a few options: move it or ignore it.

I looked at the app and what was inside, so I consider that app useful and not bloat even if it doesn't directly control the phone.

 

[C DM]

Well there is no discussion on how to deal with it. You only have a few options: move it or ignore it.

I looked at the app and what was inside, so I consider that app useful and not bloat even if it doesn't directly control the phone.

Seems like there was a good amount of discussion as to how to deal with it earlier in the thread.

As for you pedsonally find the app interesting, that's fine and good, it doesn't change the aspect that it's an app that somehow should be pre-installed and couldn't be removed. Someone finding Apple Store or iTunes U or even better the Apple Trailer app useful doesn't mean that everyone should have them default without being able to remove them.

 

[I7guy]

Seems like there was a good amount of discussion as to how to deal with it earlier in the thread.

As for you pedsonally find the app interesting, that's fine and good, it doesn't change the aspect that it's an app that somehow should be pre-installed and couldn't be removed. Someone finding Apple Store or iTunes U or even better the Apple Trailer app useful doesn't mean that everyone should have them default without being able to remove them.

We can all hypothecate on what should be and where it should be. I may be in the minority, and remember even the minority opinion should be valued, but I like getting apps like this and don't mind they can't be removed. Others may feel differently. We can play the "should" game until the cows come home of the things Apple should do and allow; that's why there is jail breaking.

Apple isn't perfect but the only way to get them to respond is by hitting them in the wallet.

 

[C DM]

We can all hypothecate on what should be and where it should be. I may be in the minority, and remember even the minority opinion should be valued, but I like getting apps like this and don't mind they can't be removed. Others may feel differently. We can play the "should" game until the cows come home of the things Apple should do and allow; that's why there is jail breaking.

Apple isn't perfect but the only way to get them to respond is by hitting them in the wallet.

Ah, the good old blurred line between what something is and how someone feels about it--although related, they are separate and different concepts. Just because some might like something, or be I different to it, or hate it, doesn't really change what that something is. On one hand is a discussion about how people might feel about it, on the other it's simply what that something is, whatever the feelings of different people might be.

 

[I7guy]

Ah, the good old blurred line between what something is and how someone feels about it--although related, they are separate and different concepts. Just because some might like something, or be I different to it, or hate it, doesn't really change what that something is. On one hand is a discussion about how people might feel about it, on the other it's simply what that something is, whatever the feelings of different people might be.

Ah, we're into taxonomy. It's a subtle line here. Because I think it's okay if an ecosystem related app is installed and someone else is against a non-core app being installed; makes both our opinions valid. If we are going to assign labels doesn't make any opinion any more valid or invalid based on the label.

 

[C DM]

Ah, we're into taxonomy. It's a subtle line here. Because I think it's okay if an ecosystem related app is installed and someone else is against a non-core app being installed; makes both our opinions valid. If we are going to assign labels doesn't make any opinion any more valid or invalid based on the label.

How we feel about it is an opinion, what it really is is much less so. At the very least we can certainly say (and have now actually said it) it's not a core app (as was implied earlier).

But if we really want to split hairs and sort of go about it in a roundabout way, then, sure, you can feel that it's not bloatware, while many others can feel that it is, and it doesn't make their opinion about it invalid, and thus they can refer to it as bloatware with all the attributes that come with it. I guess that would pretty much settle that as there's nowhere further to go from there as far as that aspect of it goes.

 

[sbailey4]

Case closed.

bloat·ware

/ˈblōtˌwer/

noun
Computinginformal

noun: bloatware

software whose usefulness is reduced because of the excessive disk space and memory it requires.
"a nasty piece of cross-platform bloatware that's in serious need of a total overhaul"

•unwanted software included on a new computer or mobile device by the manufacturer.
"users must initially contend with the usual bevy of bloatware (unnecessary toolbars, games of questionable value)"

 

[I7guy]

bloat·ware

/ˈblōtˌwer/

noun
Computinginformal

noun: bloatware

software whose usefulness is reduced because of the excessive disk space and memory it requires.
"a nasty piece of cross-platform bloatware that's in serious need of a total overhaul"

•unwanted software included on a new computer or mobile device by the manufacturer.
"users must initially contend with the usual bevy of bloatware (unnecessary toolbars, games of questionable value)"

It's not bloatware if it's wanted.

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How we feel about it is an opinion, what it really is is much less so. At the very least we can certainly say (and have now actually said it) it's not a core app (as was implied earlier).

But if we really want to split hairs and sort of go about it in a roundabout way, then, sure, you can feel that it's not bloatware, while many others can feel that it is, and it doesn't make their opinion about it invalid, and thus they can refer to it as bloatware with all the attributes that come with it. I guess that would pretty much settle that as there's nowhere further to go from there as far as that aspect of it goes.

Yeah, we're kind of splitting hairs. I never felt Apple loaded bloatware, but as an example those who use the iphone as an iPod may think the phone app is bloatware.

 

[Basilfawltyone]

I never us the letter " " how can I remove that from my keyboard?

 

[C DM]

It's not bloatware if it's wanted.

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Yeah, we're kind of splitting hairs. I never felt Apple loaded bloatware, but as an example those who use the iphone as an iPod may think the phone app is bloatware.

I never us the letter " " how can I remove that from my keyboard?

Except those are not equivalent comparisons as pointed out before. But anyways...

 

[sbailey4]

It's not bloatware if it's wanted.

OK, so enjoy your Apple watch videos. There are 3 of them so you can watch morning, noon and evenings every day!

 

[I7guy]

OK, so enjoy your Apple watch videos. There are 3 of them so you can watch morning, noon and evenings every day!

We all have different opinions about how we think we should be able to use our iphones. And sure, more flexibility is better than less flexibility (to a certain extent). But it seems Apple does not provide the level of flexibility some of us would want.

Having said that, I probably would delete the apple watch app after a fashion if I could, but I don't consider it bloatware and it doesn't bother me it can't be deleted (along with other apps that people do, in their opinions, consider bloatware). I've already moved the app into an apple folder so it's not on my main screen.

 

[moonman239]

Is it that hard to just have a "Rarely Used" folder, and dump all the stuff you don't use into that folder?

Every time Apple adds an app to the stock iOS install, these threads come up. C'mon folks just drop it in a "Rarely Used" folder and never worry about it again. It's not hard!

The only problem is that it still takes up hard disk space. Luckily, iPhone doesn't have as much hard disk space wasted on bloatware as do Android phones.

 

[C DM]

Edit: Don't feel like beating a dead horse.

 

[I7guy]

Edit: Don't feel like beating a dead horse.

How many times can this dead horse be beat?

 

[C DM]

How many times can this dead horse be beat?

Yeah, that's why I didn't feel like doing it yet another time.

 

[perkedel]

It would be good to have these apps as a download instead of a built in:

• Voice Memo
• Newsstand
• Game Center
• iBooks
• Tips
• Apple Watch
• Stocks

I placed these in ****-useless folder

 

[flyinmac]

a core app is not bloat ware. In the future this app will be used by those purchasing the apple watch, that is not the definition of bloat ware by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is the definition of bloat ware apps YOU don't like and want to get rid of.

Ok. So by that argument the Tangent Games program that's installed by default on some HP computers isn't bloat ware either. It'll be useful if some day I decide to purchase apps from the Tangent store.

Not your best argument.

There once was a time where addon devices came with software that permitted you to use them. We didn't have the software unless we had the device that needed the software.

Now they load us up on software for things most of us will never buy.

 

[I7guy]

Ok. So by that argument the Tangent Games program that's installed by default on some HP computers isn't bloat ware either. It'll be useful if some day I decide to purchase apps from the Tangent store.

Not your best argument.

There once was a time where addon devices came with software that permitted you to use them. We didn't have the software unless we had the device that needed the software.

Now they load us up on software for things most of us will never buy.

Tangent games has nothing to do with the ecosystem. Apple watch app does, which is a point I made in a prior post. Yeah splitting hairs, but this is total control Apple. Was the tangent games an installation icon or a set of files.

 

[Zinthar]

I put mine in Health & Fitness. Since I developed the habit of using Spotlight Search to get to my apps I never leave the main page anymore. I forget at times what I have installed. Spotlight has become very handy for me.

Same here. I use spotlight to open anything other than the frequently-used apps that I put on the first home screen. I stopped bothering to organize the other screens because I'm never going to open them with anything other than Spotlight.