Are the latest 2015 MacBook Pro Models, flawless?

rezwits

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I have a question, that I really need answered.

I have a MacBook Pro 17 (early 2011). And it works "ok" it's not reliable, or "stage worthy" because it has a slight flaw, I don't know if it's Mother Board, CPU, GPU, or Trackpad, but it crashes like 3 times a month. Where the cursor will stop moving while I am using the trackpad, and then it's basically frozen. So, I have to hold the power button down, and restart and then "resume" where I left off. I got an SSD basically to make the laptop usable having only a less than one minute reboot resume time.

My question is, when it comes to the MacBook Pro 2015 (15" specifically), are there models that are flawless? Basically NO FREEZES? Are there differences, if there are FREEZES, in dGPU non-dGPU models?

I am going to get a new MacBook Pro coming up here, but I can't, have these FREEZES, it so disruptive to my workflow, because it causes so much anger, I get put back the day it happens. It just sucks, concentration just broken, and please don't ask about how I tried to fix it with Apple, cause that just leads to "Apple Genius Anger."

I gotta get a new one, but I don't want to plop down another $2500, unless I can get 99.99% guarantee that I am not going to get these FREEZES. AND I will definitely get a non-dGPU model if this will prevent FREEZING.

Thanks so much for any experiences with these issues...
 

Falcon9

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What version of OS X are you running? My 2015 13" would freeze as you describe maybe once or twice a week on 10.11.4. Now on 10.11.5, and have yet to have an issue so I think it was a software bug though I haven't been on .5 long enough to be sure.
 

friedkimchi

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Do you "need" a laptop? Nothing in this world is flawless. What works for you may not work for someone else.

I would hold off buying a new one at this point. The 13" are more than likely to be updated with new Skylake chips while the 15" is still waiting for the Polaris GPUs from AMD.

Of course Apple could throw us a curveball and not do anything to the laptops but add "colours/colors".

Even my base 15" without dGPU freezes once in a while. I don't even want to consider the dGPU version due to its lacklustre performance (Gaming).
 

ceparker27

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I haven't had any issues with mine (see sig), minus the heat issues that come from running an external display. The dGPU runs hot, but it works. I've also never had any issues with Safari hanging or any kernel panics, so I don't really have anything to complain about. It just works.
 

dumastudetto

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The 2015 MBPs are as close to flawless as you can get.

The Windows laptop that often gets cited as the Windows equivalent of the MacBook Pro is the Dell XPS 15 9550. This is supposed to be the best of the best flagship laptop running Windows 10. Take a glance at this thread (97 pages, more issues and flaws than you would ever think possible):

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ist-of-hardware-and-software-problems.784691/

It really does put into perspective the grumbles you see on MR about Apple products. :)
 

Barry01

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Now that ElCapitan has updated along with Microsoft Office 365 and Adobe CC, I love mine.

I got a mid 2015 in September and I am finally happy with it as of March. It is an awesome laptop.
 

throAU

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Pretty happy with my 2015 13". I haven't noticed any significant GPU downgrade in terms of performance coming from the 2011 15" (with the better than standard Radeon HD6750 discrete GPU) I replaced.

Yes, under some specific situations it may be worse, however in other stuff it's actually better because it has later codec and GPU standards support.
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The 2015 MBPs are as close to flawless as you can get.
I'd agree with that. I see a lot of hardware in my job (basically evaluation and selection of the standard PC models we will run, and building the SOE for them is one of the things I do). I have less quibbles with my Macbook(s) than I do with basically any PC hardware i have so far encountered.

Then again, i never had any real issues with my 2011 15" machine until the GPU finally died completely the other day.
 
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grahamperrin

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…97 pages, more issues and flaws than you would ever think possible…
I sped through the opening post, it began with software issues.

Back to hardware:

… I have a MacBook Pro 17 (early 2011) …
I have an early 2011 15" MacBookPro8,2. Currently without a battery. Board replaced free of charge. The integral keyboard and mouse ceased to work soon after that replacement (I wonder whether it's a side-effect of running without batteries, I can get it checked locally but there's no rush). I view the MacBookPro8,2 as less reliable than the early 2015 models; and less reliable than my early 2009 MacBookPro5,2 but still, in some ways (primarily compatibility and expandability): more desirable than the 2015 models.
 

dumastudetto

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I sped through the opening post, it began with software issues.
Yep the opening post broken up into separate sections - Software, Hardware, General Recommendations. Some are not obviously Dell's fault entirely (or at all) although some of the software issues have required BIOS firmware updates and that is Dell's responsibility. Some of the driver issues are also on Dell.

And not everything is listed in the opening post in terms of hardware. That's just the tip of the iceberg. :) For example, many people are complaining the ports (HDMI, USB, etc.) don't align correctly with the cut outs in the casing - making it very difficult to connect cables. When have you ever heard of Apple getting something so fundamentally important wrong? That is just shocking build quality. This is a top of the line flagship Windows PC and it's assembled like something you'd expect would cost $400-$500 tops.

Anyway I don't expect anyone to waste much time on the link I posted. I just wanted to share it to give some comparison to what real problems are happening on other platforms with PC makers. The stuff we obsess about as Apple fans is very minor in comparison to what those poor Dell owners are going through with their machines.
 

grahamperrin

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… the ports (HDMI, USB, etc.) don't align correctly …
Oh, that's poor.

Worse: ports that are aligned correctly in a case that prevents proper insertion of 'broad' USB flash drives. I can't recall the brand of the computer, but it was from one of the very few (maybe two) manufacturers that were then approved by the University and/or SUPC.
 

rezwits

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Thanks for some confirmations.

Do you "need" a laptop? Nothing in this world is flawless. What works for you may not work for someone else.

I would hold off buying a new one at this point. The 13" are more than likely to be updated with new Skylake chips while the 15" is still waiting for the Polaris GPUs from AMD.

Of course Apple could throw us a curveball and not do anything to the laptops but add "colours/colors".

Even my base 15" without dGPU freezes once in a while. I don't even want to consider the dGPU version due to its lacklustre performance (Gaming).
A. I have 2x Mac Pro 2006s, that have NEVER crashed not once, full proof. If they did, it was because I accidentally pulled a Firewire/USB Drive out too soon and the Finder started panicking.

B. I have a Mac Pro 2009, that it's only flaw is, sometimes it just randomly restarts, it's happened about 8 times. Just for some reason restarts, but it has never crashed, except when the eSata cable got loose on the external RAID.

C. I had some previous 2009 and 2006 MacBooks that NEVER crashed.

When I mean never I am serious, I put them to work and not one straight, "Moving the mouse" and FREEZE.

User Error or OS error, like getting into trouble with an App where you have a Force Quit Nightmare, sure that happens but I am still in charge. I can goto activity monitor, dock force quit, or Apple Menu Force Quit. Then restart.

But a freeze is different, a freeze is like, you are in Safari and you are just reading, and then CURSOR FREEZE, and the only thing you can do is restart. Or you are in Photoshop and you stop to take a drink and then try to use your mouse, then again CURSOR freeze, i.e. in ANY app you use, right in the middle of moving the cursor it just FREEZES, you go to the console log and different ENDPOINTS, with no pattern. It's the first machine I have ever had with a freeze problem.

It all started with Snow Leopard, one day... :D I got about 2 crashes in the first month after opening. Then 3 in the 2nd and 3rd month. I was really in the middle of working, but I upgraded to Lion. "And the guns they stopped" no freezing for a couple months, then I got like 4-5 freezes, then like 5 more in month, and I was ok gotta get a month where I can stop to take it in to Apple. So around the 9th month of the Warranty. I take it in and I get the Genius kid, a really cocky fool, he does the tests, and runs them. He says the preliminary test show no problems. He says you can leave it with us if you want and we will do more extensive test. I said sure keep the MacBook for a couple days. I come back in and he is like there's no problems that we can detect. He is like can you REPRODUCE the FREEZE, and I am like no. He says then there is nothing we can do.

Now I got my laptop in the Late part when there were Late 2011s it had Lion on it to begin with, but I rolled it back to Snow Leopard, when I got it, that's why I got the Early, plus it was cheaper. But I wanted a 17 that ran 10.6.8. But I got in the groove of trying to update after a while to hope this "Bug" would somehow magically get fixed. Because when I got Mountain Lion I went right to it, and it seemed to calm the crashing back down, to 1 or 2 a month. In addition, there started to be rumors, of the Video Card fiasco, with this model. And I got nervous but kinda happy that AT LEAST, my model was not going to have a logic board replacement nightmare.

At about Mavericks 10.9, things were nice, it wouldn't crash but maybe once every two months. But then it started going from good to bad good to bad with each incremental 0.0.1 upgrade ever since.

So, starting with Mavericks, if I got a good 0.0.1 OS upgrade it has been like roulette, SERIOUSLY. Like if I remember recently, on 10.11.1 and 10.11.2 It was awesome, like 1 freeze the whole time each with 10.11.1. 10.11.2 when they were out but then 10.11.3 came out and it was like blam 5 or 6 FREEZES. With 10.11.4 I had 3. With the new 10.11.5, I have already had 2.

But like I said, I got the SSD so I can get up refill my water, and restart in under a minute, and start working again.

BUT THE MAIN THING IS:

There is such a thing as FLAWLESS, (barring App Failure or a User clicking menus or buttons before their time, i.e. before they are ready.) My Mac Pros that I use as Media Server with Plex on Lion and a Snow Leopard one, THEY NEVER CRASH they are by Far the best Machines Apple has EVER made. I was expecting this type of Flawlessness, when I dropped $2,500 on the MacBook 17. And I told myself, well you can't win them all, because honestly I have had really good luck with my Macs over the years, I have read posts for 15 years now, and I have heard horror stories, but don't get things twisted because we know Apple has shipped Millions of Macs! I had over 20+... Like I said I am hoping the 17 was just bad luck...and a 2015 15" will be just what I need. I am definitely waiting till after WWDC, but if they go all crazy with USB-C, you can bet I'll be grabbing a "last on the shelf" 2015 15" just wondered about getting dGPU or non-dGPU, if graphics switching is clean...

Thanks for the replies and reading...

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Flawless :D, and I used Plex every night on this machine to watch Twit.tv
[doublepost=1463823058][/doublepost]You know what? I did kinda go off a little on FLAWLESS, but I did want to clarify with out making this sound crazy. To me FLAWLESS is easy to achieve most machines are FLAWLESS.

Meaning like this, you have MacOS 10.x whatever installed, and you had it say running a UNIX SERVER PROCESS of some sort, so you started it up and it ran in a closet, YOU NEVER TOUCH IT and forget about, NO UPDATING, right? and it just runs for like 3 years, and just keeps doing it's job. If you have machine where you DON'T TOUCH IT, and it just FREEZES RANDOMLY. i.e. it can't sit in closet and just run for years on end, by itself, there is a FAULT in a chip somewhere, barring cooling issues. I think it's Sandy Bridge, because my MacBook Air 11 2012 has NEVER CRASHED either... Ivy Bridge on that thing is FLAWLESS haha, alright good night...
 
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Fishrrman

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OP wrote:
"I have a question, that I really need answered."

Your question can -never- be answered, because no product made is going to be "flawless".

Not until the makers themselves are the same.

That is all...
 

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I have a Late 2011 17-inch MBP, i7 2.5 GHz, Radeon 6770M, 16 GB DDR3 2133 MHz RAM, an SSD, a HDD and a nice non-glossy screen. I love it. It's really fast. But with the final version of 10.11.5 it started to get acting strange sometimes, but not as much as my Late 2015 5K iMac.

I am waiting until WWDC and if the new developer beta won't be better I'll switch directly to Linux or maybe downgrade to Mavericks or Yosemite for a while.

I already have Snow Leopard on an external Thunderbolt SSD, it's so blazing fast but just too old. And I see no future with any older version of OS X. I am already searching for a Linux distribution that works best on it.
 

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The 2015 dGPU is an instant throttling piece of junk.

The 750M blows it out of the water.
Not with the new third party drivers... The 750m now throttles worse than the AMD in bootcamp... The OP should be told, however, that you are talking about games, not professional apps. For professional work, the machine is a dream. (I am also waiting to see what Apple will do with the 2016 since we use more than one laptop.)
 
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