Quck question how can you hate an aspect ratio? (srs)
I loled. I am very curious what your hatred is for 16:9 vs 16:10?
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Quck question how can you hate an aspect ratio? (srs)
I loled. I am very curious what your hatred is for 16:9 vs 16:10?
Currently in stores? No.
Announced at CES? Yes.
My favorites would probably be the 14" and 15" ultrabooks announced by Vizio. They look absolutely beautiful.
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Lenovo displays are among the worst in the industry ... only reason we won't buy them.
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No, in fact they don't.
Vizio certainly does seem to have a great design, but that's only one piece of the puzzle. We'll not know the build quality and how well it performs until these bad boys hits the streets.
Yeah, I don't really know pricing over in europe, but here in the states they're pretty easy to find in that price range:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-PRECIS...25814015?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item2317f566ff
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Precis...22346360?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item4ab2808278
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Precis...25092471?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3370296277
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Precis...40649412?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item1c22a9fac4
And those are the ebay resellers that scalp the units direct from Dell. The problem is, this laptop is such a good deal from Dell that the resellers have bots set up to buy them all up when more stock is put online at Dell. I actually tried buying one before I convinced myself that I didn't want to live with a larger laptop like that, but I literally couldn't since the bots would have them in their cart and bought seconds after they went up. It's crazy. I did call up and the person on the phone said she could secure me one if I wanted it, though even she had problems with it!
1. You lose display size. A 13.3" 16:9 has a smaller display area than a 13.3" 16:10. If you want to see this first hand, put a 1440x900 MBA next to a 1600x900 Asus UX31 ultrabook. The ultrabook display is significantly "shorter" and only slightly wider.
2. Most things I do on a laptop (except maybe games) are in windows that benefit more from vertical resolution than horizontal. Making my display shorter just means I have to scroll more to get everything I want to see. With widescreen displays (even 16:10) they are already plenty wide to accommodate everything in the window, so no more is needed there.
^Yeah desktops benefit from the vertical axis so 16:9 takes a huge chunk of relative space on top and bottom.
I see.
I see this happen when I switch to HDMI out and it's quite significant.
I see.
I see this happen when I switch to HDMI out and it's quite significant.
Don't what? Have nice laptops with nice screens? Or they Best Buy doesn't sell their nicer models?
The thing is, the Asus ultrabook is going to have a higher DPI, and ultimately more pixels too, resulting in more screen space, even though it's physically smaller.
16:10 gives more lines of code
16:9 is just for facebook and youtube kids
Seriously, I don't see why a notebook screen has to be optimized to watch 16:9 movies... that's what TVs are for.
And yet...it's still smaller. As I said, the extra horizontal pixels are already superfluous, so nothing is gained there (for most situations), and what you lose is the size in the vertical dimension, which is smaller for the same resolution. A 13.3" 16:10 display is 10.6" x 8" and 79.5 in^2, the 13.3" 16:9 is 11.6" x 6.5" and 75.5 in^2. So (IMO) you lose 1.5" where it's nice to have it, and gain 1" where you don't need it. The only size where this really buys you something is 1920x1080, where you gain the ability to have side by side windows, but anything lower and you can't realistically do that (e.g. 1600x900).
PPI is important, but it's not everything. When actual display area (inches^2) is equal, then it's a great tool for comparison. Until then, it doesn't tell you the whole story. Once PCs and Macs can scale for PPI the way smartphones can, then this might be a benefit, but they're not there yet. Until then, it just makes small text even smaller and more difficult to view.
Another reason I like 16:10 is for legacy gaming (or anything in full screen) support. A 1920x1200 display will natively display 1600x1200 (4:3) content - of which there is a TON - without scaling it. It just has the black borders on the sides. The 1920x1080 display can't do that - you either have to use some crazy scaling to get it to fill the screen vertically - which will cost you in image quality, or you use a lower res (1280x1024 at most) without scaling and end up with a black border all around the image.
The only real advantage I can see to 16:9 is that you don't have to push (quite) as many pixels in games.
Only one of these says Wide View Display and I am not even certain if it actual IPS Panel and it comes with a 2620M you cannot even order a dual core in Europe. The others seem only to have the normal 1080p TN Panel. Still cheap though.
Dell and their crazy price cuts at times.
Prices in Europe suck and it is not just the higher taxes. They simply seem to think they can charge more here. American Companies lile Dell, Apple say that logistics and everything costs so much but toshiba, Lenovo ... don't have that excuse and it is just the way it is. Price levels are higher. The US is cheap on all the small stuff like every day things and electronics. The big expensive stuff like insurance .. and fees of all kinds are much cheaper here. What your banks charge you for services is insane.
I guess I will order my next notebook in the states.
I also absolutely hate 16:9 but there is hardly anyway around it anymore. It is okay on big Desktop screens but on Notebooks it is simply bad.
I think the biggest problem is that it takes screen real estate on the same size notebook or makes a notebook bigger if you want a similar size screen.
A 16:10 12.1" screen looks and feels about as big as a 16:9 13.3" but the former is much smaller and easier to store.
Same but worse it is for 15" and above. To get the size of a 15" 16:10 I'd need some 16.4" screen which wouldn't fit in my bag and a 15.6" is no better than some old 14".
It increases the length which is probably the worst idea. 16:10 already doesn't resemble paper, magazins and stuff you carry around with it but 16:9 is just bad.
I want the biggest screen that easily fits in my bag. That there are no black borders when watching some TV show is absolutely useless because in width I don't actually gain anything if I want the same portability.
Stupid 16:9. I fear though that the next MBP redesign will feature 16:9 screens, since they really only manufacture them for Apple the whole remaining industry has gone 16:9.
It would mean I'd have to get a 15.6" and go smaller.
I am also not a sucker for anything bigger but I still want as big as is still protable.
At least here in the US, they do not make a 1080p display that's not IPS for that model. All of the products I linked have the IPS panel, and one of them had the IPS touch panel with stylus. (disclaimer: I am not the seller of those products). The only one that had a dual core was the one with the touch panel with stylus. Generally the quad core commands $100-200 more, but so does the touch panel, so in this case it wound up being about the same price.
Does anyone really think that Apple plans to switch to 16:9 displays? I absolutely hate that screen ratio.
Difficult to tell. Some models are already 16:9 such as the 11" MacBook Air and the 21" iMac. If Apple can shift enough units to make it economically viable I'd hope they will keep 16:10 where possible.
As noted above other Tier 1 manufactures business machines are now 16:9. The Lenovo rep at work has said they don't like it but they were effectively forced into it by the panel makers.
That's true. I forgot about the screen ratio of the 11" Air. I like the computer but the tiny screen coupled with the screen ratio made a sad person.
I guess I can only hope for the best, 16:10 is where it's at.
The MBP's 16:10 aspect ratio is a big advantage. It's really surprising just how much more vertical size it offers.
I'd still rather have 4:3 for work related purposes. 16:10 with a high enough resolution is OK.
That sounded odd to me so I checked it out and it looks as you missed something there. These are all non IPS Panels. The standard 1080p Ultrasharp displays are also definitely on par with the MBP screens but they are not the IPS ones those cost more.
The only difference between US and German Stores is that the US also has a 1600x900 option and Dual Core CPUs which you simply cannot order in Europe.
German options
Display: 44 cm (17,3 Zoll), UltraSharp FHD (1.920 x 1.080), Breitbild, LED-Hintergrundbeleuchtung, LCD [Im Preis enthalten]
Display: 44 cm (17,3 Zoll), UltraSharp FHD (1.920 x 1.080), Breitbild, LED-Hintergrundbeleuchtung, Multitouch-Funktion mit Stift, LCD [zuzgl. 308,00 € oder 11 €/Monat1]
44cm (17.3in) Full High Definition (1920x1080) Wide View IPS RGB LED-Hintergrundbeleuchtung und LCD-Panel [zuzgl. 492,00 € oder 18 €/Monat1]
US options
17.3" UltraSharp™ FHD(1920x1080) Wide View LED Multi-Touch w/Stylus, Premium Panel Guarantee [add $360.00]
17.3" UltraSharp™ FHD(1920x1080) Wide View Anti-Glare LED-backlit with Premium Panel Guarantee [add $85.00]
Dell Recommends
17.3" HD+(1600x900) Anti-Glare LED-backlit with Premium Panel Guarantee [Included in Price]
17.3" UltraSharp™ FHD(1920x1080) PremierColor IPS RGB Anti-Glare LED-backlit Premium Panel Guarantee [add $550.00]
It is a bit strange because in the US store they call the non IPS also Wide View which would imply wide viewing angles such as an IPS would offer but I guess that is just marketing. Breitbild means widescreen fyi not exactly the same but marketing is always a bit funny.
And they would definitely put IPS in the name if those where IPS screens, I think.
It is still 550 bucks extra for the actual IPS display. Still cheaper in the US store though.
Huh, I guess you're right. Now I'm glad I didn't buy one of those! Either way, I'm very happy with my MBP 15". IMO, it's the "mama bear" that's juuuuust right.
