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Apple is a dictatorship. Proprietary ways have assured they have a captive user base.

Conversely Android is a breath of fresh air. One is able to do as they wish, creating exactly the right smartphone functionality for their workflow. While the platform had the normal bugs, annoyances et al during its early years, now with the arrival of Android ver 4.x.x it's mature, fast, fun, and very reliable.

An experience that easily equals that of iOS.

Breath of fresh air like how you cant uninstall Carrier BLOATWARE unless you Root your phone? :rolleyes:
 
agree 100%. But you can't just put all the files into one bag, it needs to
be organized and you need to have some control over the way you want it
to be organized...

Personally, I'm ok with just a repository, the way photos are treated now. Others may have different needs.

What I do know is that the very simple task of adding a file to an email response should not require 1) creating a new email from the sandboxed app 2)copying the file from the email you just created (you often have to get a portion of the text as well for this workaround to work right) 3)hitting reply all in the email you want to attach a file to 4) pasting the file and then deleting any text that you also copied 5) deleting the dummy email.

It should be as simple as "Insert Document" just like it allows you to Insert Photo. Don't know how anyone can justify the above workaround that is required.
 
Personally, I'm ok with just a repository, the way photos are treated now. Others may have different needs.

What I do know is that the very simple task of adding a file to an email response should not require 1) creating a new email from the sandboxed app 2)copying the file from the email you just created (you often have to get a portion of the text as well for this workaround to work right) 3)hitting reply all in the email you want to attach a file to 4) pasting the file and then deleting any text that you also copied 5) deleting the dummy email.

It should be as simple as "Insert Document" just like it allows you to Insert Photo. Don't know how anyone can justify the above workaround that is required.


It looks like dumbing down is the new Apple way of doing everything...
But they somehow are not able to see that "simple" becomes way more complicated that complicated once was...
 
I dont think its needed. Some people sound like they need a file system for the sake of having a file system. iCloud works great, iTunes for music, Photo stream works great too.
 
"Who wants a file system?"

-Apple

more like "it's not a computer"

which is rather true. For the majority of users they don't need to be able to dig in, make folders etc. And that is Apple's audience.

now that said I do see a logic in changing up the system a bit. it's annoying to have to have 4 copies of a file because it has to live in every applicable apps bucket of data. Particularly annoying when it's something like an image or a PDF. why can't there be a common bucket of data that is then visible to all apps that can open it etc. That might even get rid of the need to save things to itunes for file sharing. it's already there. even if we can't touch it directly.
 
I have and continue to use Dropbox plus dropdav to enable file round tripping in and out of iWork docs, all synced nicely to the Dropbox cloud as well as my legacy Mac. So that's my file system on the iPad. Simple, easy, and effective. Though not as much as if Apple would bake in something better.

However, I believe that the "file system" coming to iOS has already been revealed in the Mavericks introduction: the use of tags to identify documents and media, as a means of 'connecting' them relationally if no longer in what we think of as folders. It certainly requires some effort if not even diligence to use properly, but can be much more powerful and flexible if used correctly.
 
While there's no bloatware, the iPhone offers carriers the ability to restrict more features of the device than any other phone.

Would you be able to provide me a few examples?

I know the personal Hot spot feature is disabled unless you are actually paying for it. The only other feature I can think of is face time over cellular which AT&T now allows.
 
While i think that a simple folder browser like win explorer wouldn't be very helpful, some kind of document management is definetely needed. More and more people do more stuff on mobile devices.

Now files that belong together are split up in different places. I think there is nothing wrong with an opional finder app that can display all file types in one place.

The user should be able to set which file types are listed/accessable. Sort, filter and search e.g. by tags (as folders are basically just tags as well).
 
It looks like dumbing down is the new Apple way of doing everything...
But they somehow are not able to see that "simple" becomes way more complicated that complicated once was...

On that note do you know how to drive a car with a manual transmission? If not, aren't you glad they "dumbed" that down and made an automatic so everyone could drive?
 
while i think that a simple folder browser like win explorer wouldn't be very helpful, some kind of document management is definetely needed. More and more people do more stuff on mobile devices.

Now files that belong together are split up in different places. I think there is nothing wrong with an opional finder app that can display all file types in one place.

The user should be able to set which file types are listed/accessable. Sort, filter and search e.g. By tags (as folders are basically just tags as well).

+1
 
Would you be able to provide me a few examples?

I know the personal Hot spot feature is disabled unless you are actually paying for it. The only other feature I can think of is face time over cellular which AT&T now allows.

  • Personal Hotspot, as mentioned by you
  • Download limits when using cellular data
  • Ability to prevent system updates using cellular data
  • Ability to disable the 3G toggle
  • Ability to disable the editing of the APN settings, which can be essential to use an MVNO
  • Ability to control how some features work when roaming
 
I've been running FileApp Pro on my iPhone/iPad for a few years now along with their PC based application. Makes up for the lack of an accessible file system quite well. The PC application also provides access the actual file system of my iPhone/iPad allowing for manually backing up the data for any given app which otherwise in most cases could only be backed up and then restored by performing a full backup/restore of the iPhone/iPad using iTunes. I also run my own personal cloud using an app called Tonido. The server app runs on my HTPC which I leave on 24/7. I then have access to all my local personal data from my iPhone/iPad, none of which needs to be uploaded to someone elses cloud. There's also a music player built in which is what I use Tonido for the most since AudioGalaxy got bought out and shut down. :-( Pretty sweet to have access 24/7 to my 100+ gig local music colllection most of which I did not purchase from iTunes, but bought on CD or purchased from other places. Not about to upload my music collection to Apple's cloud when I can just steam it from my HTPC instead and the iPhone/iPad music apps are crap anyway.
 
I used to want iOS to have more of a filesystem, but as it's progressed, I don't think it needs one. It works fine as-is. I use my NAS to store my media, and I can browse it all through my iPhone. If I want, I can also sync my photos/videos using Aperture or iPhoto.

Apple needs to focus on better syncing between devices, especially for things like mail which uses push alerts. I will read an email on 1 device, but it still shows as unread on another.

I think it makes more sense with the iPad, but I don't think you're going to see much there.
 
I would love to see some type of file system access. I paid a premium for the 64gb model. In 2013, why should I have to carry around a thumb drive if I want to keep my data secure when I have a phone with all that wasted space? I have zero interest in having my personal data stored in someones cloud...
 
Sometimes a file system could be useful .... but what I'm looking for, and maybe could be enough for most of the people here, is a proper "My Documents" folder.
 
I don't want a filesystem.

Docs? I use either Dropbox or iCloud
Photos? I use either photostream or connect via USB to computer and import
Music? iTunes match; and I only download select playlists

I agree that files should be less sandboxed; but a filesystem is not the answer (apps should be more interoperable).


Glad this works for you. Problem is that this for the most part only works in Apple only environments.

Example: try sending a simple photo (family snapshot) to a grandparent or friend with a PC (yes, they exist). My iphone can't do that. It inserts every photo as an inline photo and Apple applies non-industry standards formats obviously. Exif data is incomplete, files show up upside down or sideways, naming is always reduced to the same default file name, etc.

The answer can't be that only will things be great if everyone owns and operates Apple devices. And I'm not willing to send grandpa dropbox links because Apple doesn't want to give us a few more very simple, safe and established OPTIONS. Such as sending a picture or video as a standard attachment.
 
Glad this works for you. Problem is that this for the most part only works in Apple only environments.

Example: try sending a simple photo (family snapshot) to a grandparent or friend with a PC (yes, they exist). My iphone can't do that. It inserts every photo as an inline photo and Apple applies non-industry standards formats obviously. Exif data is incomplete, files show up upside down or sideways, naming is always reduced to the same default file name, etc.

The answer can't be that only will things be great if everyone owns and operates Apple devices. And I'm not willing to send grandpa dropbox links because Apple doesn't want to give us a few more very simple, safe and established OPTIONS. Such as sending a picture or video as a standard attachment.

I send my granma pictures with my iPhone all the time there are no problems.

She is using W7 and Outlook.
 
I'm so sick and tired of iTunes, it's so moronic not to be able to simply copy a file to an iPhone or from an iPhone. The whole syncing thing is so broken and never gets better. Try to sync 2 or 3 devices on one Apple id and 2 or 3 iCloud accounts, what a mess... Incredible why such a powerful device is so limited by the stupid iTunes based system. Simply incredible...
Why can't I create folders and organize files or even photos the way I want?

What kind of file would you need to just copy over to an iPhone? Quicken file? What would you open it with? Don't think I'm being a jerk or something, but I am curious. I used to sync my Personal Folder (with documents I use very often) to my Palm Trēo. I did that for 2 years and never had to access those files.

I've never had to sync multiple accounts but I can imagine it would get cumbersome. I wonder if iTunes Match would help? Contacts, Mail, Calendar, Reminders, and Notes are all stored in the cloud. Movies you can just download. iTunes Match would make sure all your music is in the cloud and you can just download what you need on each phone. Maybe I'm missing something since I've never done this.

And Photos lets you create Albums on your phone and add pictures to them. Would this not work out for you? Personally I love having iPhoto organize all my photos. I will admit since I went to iPhone they've gotten somewhat unorganized since if it's just random pictures I just let it sync instead of putting it in an event or something but that's my fault. If I had to deal with folders they'd all be dumped into one folder.
 
iFolder is what I want.

Where all documents can be saved, viewed and edited by opening in to Pages, Keynote, numbers. then it can be saved back to iFolder and uploaded to the internet and email and airdrop and various other storage platforms.

The ability for ifolder to be recognised by websites and to browse and upload files through them would be a necessity

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Either this or put a usb port on the ipad and allow proper support through an adapter for the iphone. Only ways we will get a normal file system.
 
Personally, I'm ok with just a repository, the way photos are treated now. Others may have different needs.

What I do know is that the very simple task of adding a file to an email response should not require 1) creating a new email from the sandboxed app 2)copying the file from the email you just created (you often have to get a portion of the text as well for this workaround to work right) 3)hitting reply all in the email you want to attach a file to 4) pasting the file and then deleting any text that you also copied 5) deleting the dummy email.

It should be as simple as "Insert Document" just like it allows you to Insert Photo. Don't know how anyone can justify the above workaround that is required.

To be honest all it would take is a 'User Documents' folder. Put all user-created or downloaded files there. (Not app or sys files). Then give the user access to create folders, move files, attach files, etc. and put the photos in there too so we can rename them -like 'Kara's first recital'. What's so hard about that?

I'll be honest, I'm retired and only use my iPad for 'consumption' but even I have issues with no file access. If I were still working I would not buy an iPad for anything due to the limitations. And don't start on the 'workaround's'. Nobody should have to resort to workarounds for such basic functionality.
 
Apple is a dictatorship. Proprietary ways have assured they have a captive user base.

Conversely Android is a breath of fresh air.

Dictatorship?? Who's forcing you to use it?

Android is a breath of fresh air?? If fresh air smells like a pig farm... Might mean well, doesnt mean it's good.

Android's garbage for people who want simplicity like what my parents are aiming for.
 
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