Are we all happy Apple campers?

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by Razzerman, Nov 10, 2016.


Are you a happy Apple user?

  1. I'm a pre 2005 Mac user, and I'm generally happy with Apple's hardware lineup

    4 vote(s)
  2. I'm a pre 2005 Mac user, and I'm generally unhappy with Apple's hardware lineup

    16 vote(s)
  3. I'm a post 2005 Mac user, and I'm generally happy with Apple's hardware lineup

    4 vote(s)
  4. I'm a post 2005 Mac user, and I'm generally unhappy with Apple's hardware lineup

    8 vote(s)
  1. Razzerman macrumors regular

    Sep 11, 2007
    Does anyone else remember back in 2006/7 there was supposed to be a 'halo' effect on the sales of Macs after huge sales of the iPod? This, at the time, was accepted as generally being good for Apple. After all, what computer company wouldn't want to sell more computers?

    Fast forward ten years, and throw in the halo effect of the iPhones and iPads, and surely Apple's computer offerings must have people dancing in the streets? Well, for the majority of users, that is probably true. Okay, maybe not the dancing, but most users are happy with Apple, placing them top of Customer Satisfaction reports. And therein lies the problem.

    Problem! Why? What? That doesn't make sense! No, I suppose it doesn't make sense to the new breed of Apple acolytes, immersing themselves not only in the best operating system on mobile devices, but now also being able to access virtually the same operating system on their shiny new Apple computers. No, I'm afraid that the problem is reserved for the older generation of Mac users.

    Users who have seen the top end desktop classic Mac Pro replaced by something which is, no doubt, much more energy efficient. But it's limitations are obvious. The graphics cards in these smaller, new Mac Pro's are proprietary. Plus they are three years old. There's no room internally for extra hard drives or PCIe cards. In short, it has a much reduced shelf life compared to the previous Mac Pro's. The same applies to the iMac's. Limit the shelf life, and Apple will sell more machines. And the entry level Mac Mini fares no better. No more quad core processor option; soldered on RAM; weak built-in graphics.

    The halo effect that was predicted has certainly exposed more new users to Mac OS X. The problem is that Apple have no business need for the old users, and their hardware line up reflects this. As an older generation Mac user, I have no qualms welcoming the next-generation to the Apple party. I just wish DJ Cook would play the odd song we could dance to.
  2. Pakaku macrumors 68020


    Aug 29, 2009
    If you ignore the case, a traditional Mac Pro doesn't really take up that much space either when you unplug everything. Adding stuff behind the MP might add space, but you're not forced to the strict case dimensions of the traditional version. And converting PCIe to Thunderbolt cables adds the option to shove everything out of sight. It's not a bad thing, it's just the pain of upgrading everything.

    Once they finally get around to adding TB3 to the MP, it will be virtually future-proof because TB3 is supposed to support graphics cards now. That's the only TB2 limitation I know of, besides bandwidth.
  3. Tech198, Nov 10, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2016

    Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    I'm not a pre-Apple anything since i never used Apple products before 2005. I think the earliest for me was 2010.. Before that it was either PC/Amiga etc..

    We've gone for a world where more internal components were "user replaceable" to "we control you, and the expense of design"

    Same goes with Apple TV/tvOS.. to do what Apple does, its more convenient to be in the "cloud" than a storage device like the Apple TV 1 had.

    But then u also give u user control of Apple dropping licenses because they've expired, so no longer playable... something if u still had hard drive or ssd, u could still play them.

    Pro's and con's of everything

    Not everything in the DJ scene even I could dance to, since not everyone like all that type of music. depend on the song for starters...
  4. Razzerman thread starter macrumors regular

    Sep 11, 2007
    Ah...the good old Amiga days. Anyone who ever owned an Amiga back in the day will always remember them. Good times.
    --- Post Merged, Nov 17, 2016 ---
    It's certainly a possibility that external graphics cards are the future for the Mac Pro (and to a lesser extent the mini) but it would be nice to see some movement if Apple do intend to go down that route.
  5. jca24 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 28, 2010
    I have always been an Apple happy camper. Love Apple products!! The iceing on the cake is I bought a lot of Apple stock in 2001 for under $16. Love Love, Love Love Love Apple!!!
  6. JackieInCo Suspended

    Jul 18, 2013
    I'm happy with my current gear:

    2015 15" MBP
    2012 13" non retina MBP
    2012 i7 Mac Mini
    iPhone 6+, 6S, 6S+

    I'm not sure what I'll be doing in the future if that includes anything else Apple. I started with Apple around 2003 with an iPod. Got my first Mac because of the original iPhone.
  7. Nick11Mac macrumors 6502


    Jan 20, 2011
  8. macmee Suspended


    Dec 13, 2008
    Apple for about 10 years now

    State of Macs is a total disaster. Quality has gone down. Price has gone up. Features have gone down. Customization has gone down. New hardware from Apple has become more rare.

    Couldn't be worse IMO.
  9. I7guy macrumors P6


    Nov 30, 2013
    Gotta be in it to win it
    Family started with iphone 4, I started with 5s. Today we have 4 iphones, 2 ipads, 2 MPB and an apple tv. So yes we are "happy campers" with respect to Apple products.
  10. TheFluffyDuck macrumors 6502

    Jul 26, 2012
    I am not a happy camper. I am looking for the door. Its been a fun 12 year experiment. My only hope is they release OSX as a standalone so I can install on my own hardware.
  11. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Long time mac user, dating back to the Macintosh SE days. I think overall, Macs are well built, they have a solid feel to them, but the design, features and performance is not commensurate with the premium price point - at least that's my opinion. I love my 5k iMac, but that was very pricey and I expect it to last 5+ years Apple's competitor's have not only caught up to Apple design wise, they've also leap frogged them in terms of features but many of them have much lower price points.

    The iPhone, Apple's bread and butter seems less feature rich then Apple's competitors. I'm hoping the iPhone 8 will change that to a large degree.

    My overall thought on what's been occurring is that Apple back when Jobs returned, was taking chances. They had too, other wise they'd not survive, The iPod was a bold move, but a very questionable move at the time, only through the lens of hindsight do we see how everything came together for the iPod. Apple, saw an opportunity to move in on the cell phone world like the iPod sector, and did just that.

    Now that they're a market leader they seem more interested in protecting their lead, they're less hungry and seemingly less willing to take chances. Each iteration of their products have been received nicely, but also with the response that they could have done more.

    In the sports world, when a team tries not to lose, they typically do, because the other team is looking to win at all costs. I think the same thing happens in the business world, there are companies that betting big, sometimes it doesn't pan out, but sometimes it does.
  12. RedOrchestra Suspended

    Aug 13, 2012

    I agree ... I think that companies are catching up to Apple ... if not this iteration of Google Pixel, maybe the next, maybe Nexus, maybe Huawei, maybe Samsung. Maybe the real breakthrough is in an inexpensive smartphone that covers off the 90% of the features that covers off 90% of the users ... that would then put Apple in a moment since we're seeing more and more Apple fans being pushed to margins because of the ever-increasing iPhone price.
  13. Galacticos macrumors 6502a


    Apr 5, 2016
    I'm a pre 2005 user and I'm happy BUT I'm definitely less happy with every keynote it seems.

    Imho software and hardware are both trending in the wrong direction.

    the software is really disappointing these days. It honestly feels like once apple hit 80% functionality, that's enough, and then they're thinking about the software for the following year. The least that can be said is that the software no longer stands out the way it did. For a new user of any device, I think the feeling is it's different, and that's about it.

    The mac lineup has been badly neglected. iPads are fine and iPhones are fine. They do make their hardware well. The build quality is undeniable.. but it would want to be for the price, when other features are just what everyone's doing. I find the new apple waterproof phone ads offensive (haha) - has somebody not told them that waterproof smart phones have been around for some time. It really annoys me to see apple pat themselves on the back so much just for keeping up with the competition.

    And that's where things are at, just keeping up. Apple is now just the Ralph Lauren of tech. Slap the brand on and you pay more for not much more at all
  14. jdclifford macrumors 6502

    Jul 26, 2011
    Split adjusted closed yesterday @ $111.80 ($16 & 7 = $112 split adjusted basis).
  15. Galacticos macrumors 6502a


    Apr 5, 2016
    In the sports world, when a team tries not to lose, they typically do, because the other team is looking to win at all costs. I think the same thing happens in the business world, there are companies that betting big, sometimes it doesn't pan out, but sometimes it does

    This is so true
  16. I7guy macrumors P6


    Nov 30, 2013
    Gotta be in it to win it
    I like my iphone, and in my mind, they design the best hardware out there. I'm not getting into a comparison of tech vs fashion, but the phones do what they are supposed to do, are reliable, last long, great support, etc. As long as apple continues to produce products that I perceive a better than the competition, I'm going to continue to be an apple customer.

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