Are we seeing a post-"Everything just works"-Apple?

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by Jantelagen, Nov 4, 2014.

  1. Jantelagen, Nov 4, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2014

    Jantelagen macrumors regular


    Aug 4, 2010
    I've been both a Mac and iDevice user for several years, and I'm not trying to blame Apple for this, but with the launches of the last lines of products, and particularly the software (looking at you, iOS 8...), is the famous Apple mantra "Everything just works" relevant anymore, or are we seeing a company getting to be too large to have the same quality control as before?

    Not in any way, shape or form am I implying that Apple is doomed. Howsabout the people who read that into what I wrote retook their obviously failed elementary reading comprehension class?
  2. melendezest Suspended

    Jan 28, 2010
    So it would seem.

    That, and the fact they've both lost their visionary and then threw his work out of the window (software design-wise) means a dissatisfied long-time Apple customer (me).

    That said, I do concede that I may be in the minority.

    Switching back to Windows has become more attractive than ever, particularly with Windows X on the horizon.
  3. rorschach macrumors 68020


    Jul 27, 2003
    No, no different than how it's always been.

    Is Apple digging their own grave for the iphone (Sep 2008)
    Has Apple's quality control standards gone down the toilet? I think so..... (Oct 2008)
    Is iOS5 the "buggiest" iOS yet? (Jan 2012)
    I Feel Substantially Underwhelmed by iOS 5
    Negative Reactions to iPhone OS 4.0 / New Features
    Kind of underwhelmed with 3.0
    iPhone Firmware 2.0: It's just a disaster
    iOS6 is probably the most underwhelming release of iOS to date

    That's just the iOS stuff. Then there was:
    -MobileMe (outages for hours at a time, lost data, things just not working at all)
    -the buttonless Shuffle
    -iMovie '08
    -iPod nano "scratch-gate"
    -accidentally posting the G5 specs ahead of the announcement
    -G4 Cube
    -the hockey puck mouse
    -the 10.2.8 debacle
    -Snow Leopard deleting user data
    -iOS 4 alarm bug
    -Time Capsule power supply issue
    -iPhone Power Adapter prongs breaking off (2008)

    I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of off the top of my head.

    At any rate, there have ALWAYS been problems and ALWAYS been people claiming "Apple is going downhill".
  4. VFC macrumors 6502a

    Feb 6, 2012
    SE PA.
    So "Everything Just Works" is a marketing slogan that has nothing to do with the actual end-user experience. The Apple faithful appear to be having trouble separating marketing hype from reality.
  5. rorschach macrumors 68020


    Jul 27, 2003
    That's not true at all. By and large, everything DOES "just work". The point is that there have always been issues every once in a while. Always have been and always will be.
  6. JMB1911 macrumors regular

    Mar 27, 2010
    I have been a long time apple user as well, and I agree, stuff these days is not polished like it was IMO.

    My 6Plus has, compared to other iPhones I've had, been a buggy POS.

    It freezes on a daily basis, and does all sort of other weird stupid stuff.
  7. AlphaHumanus macrumors 6502a

    Feb 12, 2012
    Yes and no. Yes, because.... Duh. But still no. Apple is still, in my opinion, the easiest software to just pick up and use. More so for the mid-level user it seems.

    Grandma is going to be lost no matter what you hand her. But it seems to me that apple has the average user pegged fairly well. as far as intuitivity and usage go. Android and windows seem to be catching up, but its the ecosystem that (generally) just works.


    +1 Seems as though Apple is put on a pedestal by everyone. Media/haters dog-pile when a release hiccups or software glitches, Like it can't happen from the tech gods at Apple. Fanboys/defenders go bananas when their gods are questioned.

    Humans making things. Only ideas are perfect.

    I meant for these to be back to back posts. Editing is for chumps.
  8. AustinIllini macrumors G3


    Oct 20, 2011
    Austin, TX
    His skeuomorphism was complete trash at the end. iOS lost its way under Forstall.
  9. KPOM macrumors G5

    Oct 23, 2010
    Not only that, but Forstall was the reason why iOS had fixed ratios. The iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were not possible until Apple added elements of resolution independence to iOS. It still isn't as flexible as Android, but it is better than it was.
  10. roadbloc macrumors G3


    Aug 24, 2009
    Nonsense. Its a marketing slogan. Everything does not 'just work.' In fact recently, its been worse than ever with both Yosemite and iOS 8 containing huge bugs. Forgiveable behaviour off a company such as Microsoft or Google who make their software for a wide range of hardware, but Apple only make their software for their own hardware. The amount of bugs experienced over the past few years has been a very clear demonstration that Apple's software is lazily written.

    Windows runs so much better on a wider ranger of hardware. If I was Apple, I'd be embarrassed.
  11. Phil A. Moderator

    Phil A.

    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2006
    Shropshire, UK

    And you just know that this time next year there will be people complaining about iOS 9 and the next OS X and saying it's crap compared to iOS 8 and Yosemite ;)
  12. melendezest Suspended

    Jan 28, 2010
    Well, I agree to disagree on that. I prefer realistic skeuomorphism to this flat, cartoony trend. We're talking design here, not the technical or functional aspects of iOS (which are superior in iOS 7/8).

    That "complete trash" made the iPhone the most popular device ever, so I'm not alone either. It was far, far more intuitive.

    That said, the iPhone is still incredibly popular, although I believe some of that that can be attributed to its momentum and its functionality.

    But this is all opinion, really. You like Apple's new style. Personally, I detest it.

    To each his/her own. No harm, no foul.
  13. mercuryjones macrumors 6502a

    May 31, 2005
    College Station, TX
    Yet another "Apple is doomed!" post.
    Apple isn't going anywhere for quite some time.
  14. BenTrovato macrumors 68030


    Jun 29, 2012
    It's a lot harder to make something that just works for such a large user base. Issues are magnified when something is wrong whereas in the past, even though Apple always had issues, they weren't magnified the way they are today. This is technology, nothing ever works as it's supposed to. I've used Apple products for a long time, and they have never "just worked".
  15. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

    T'hain Esh Kelch

    Aug 5, 2001
    *Looks at his AAPL stock*

    Oh yeah, doomed for sure.. Please keep the doomed course please.. :p
  16. roadbloc macrumors G3


    Aug 24, 2009
    The OP (or any other poster on here except you two) never mentioned anything about Apple being 'doomed.' :rolleyes:
  17. G4er? macrumors 6502a

    Jan 6, 2009
    Temple, TX
    Certainly not an Apple is doomed moment.

    But consider this.
    If with each new product, each new upgrade there are continual glitches, quirks, issues, etc it could begin to wear on the mind of consumers. If each one of those reduces the satisfaction level Apple could see some customers try the competition.

    The new mini is one example.
  18. rdowns macrumors Penryn


    Jul 11, 2003

    The mini is a poor example. No one, outside of a few techies here, care about the mini or soldered RAM.
  19. rorschach macrumors 68020


    Jul 27, 2003
    Right. Sure. Every year since I joined this place 11 years ago -- and I do mean, EVERY year -- there are always people here claiming that every software update and new product is "the worst ever".

    Well, OS X and iOS have improved TREMENDOUSLY since the beginning. The amount of major bugs with new releases has decreased significantly. Snow Leopard had a bug that wiped all your data when you logged into the Guest account. Try finding a comparable issue with Yosemite. You can't. You'd have to have only started using Apple products in the last few years to say it's "worse than ever".
  20. samiznaetekto macrumors 65816

    Dec 26, 2009
    Yes, we are seeing a post-"Everything just works"-Apple.

  21. fuchsdh macrumors 65816


    Jun 19, 2014
    I'd say this is objectively nonsense. Apple has an easier time optimizing their OS, given that they control the hardware, but that also means that it performs far better on that hardware. The massive discrepancy in battery life times on the same hardware running OS X and Windows is an example of this. You may prefer Windows over OS X for a myriad of reasons, but "OS X is buggier and runs worse" is a pretty poor one. Not to mention Microsoft hasn't been updating their software at anywhere near the rate of Apple. The most-used OS is as old as Mac OS 10.6; look at the massive amount of changes Apple has done since then compared to Windows.
  22. Melrose, Nov 7, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2014

    Melrose Suspended


    Dec 12, 2007
    Two things, from my perspective:

    (1) Apple gets unfair critical coverage from most news outlets because of the popularity. Saying "Cloud Breach" gets a millionth the attention and clicks than saying "iCloud Breach." Little things get magnified and blown out of proportion on a regular basis. Things that get barely a footnote for Google get front stage center when it's about Apple. Lately this has been true with iCloud, or with the seasonal viruses that come around, get hyped up to high heaven, and turn out to be nothing.

    (2) I have noticed that there are some glitches, mostly with compatibility, in later versions of both Macintosh (from 10.8 or 9 on) and iOS. Things relating to network printers not being recognized to inability to sync consistently - case in point is when I tried to hook up a printer to my new iMac and rather than just "plug it in and go" it's been a nightmare to keep it going. Also, AirDrop doesn't work consistently, and doesn't work between Macintosh and iOS - something so brainlessly stupid I'd have expected that from Microsoft ten years ago. That said, I also think iOS 8 is the best release in recent memory, minor glitches aside.

    Point 2 doesn't mean Point 1 is less valid, and Point 2 also doesn't mean Apple is anywhere near close to "failing" being "doomed" losing it's "edge" or relapsing back to Google-esque usability and piracy, but it is a change from the Apple I used to know 8 years ago. Based on software, hardware, stability, security, value, support, and usability both Macintosh and iOS are 10 million parsecs ahead of Android and Windows anyway.

    ....and I also thinks it's a huge slight against Apple that their stock is consistently traded as if it's just about to plummet. For a company that done more for communications and personal publishing than almost any other, and that regularly outperforms even high expectations, this is unfair.

    You're funny. I have a bit of a sensible chuckle at some of your posts. Not sure if you try to be humorous or not...
  23. Jantelagen thread starter macrumors regular


    Aug 4, 2010
    Yeah, I certainly didn't mean or indicate that they would be doomed. I just wondered if it's inevitable to have an ever growing company and keep up with the bug squashing, especially with their rather quick release schedule for software. If the answer is yes, and someone can motivate it, I'll certainly not go around shouting "APPLE IS **** AFTER JOBS DIED EVERYBODY MIGRATE TO ANDROID AND WINDOWS ASAP"
  24. Tubamajuba macrumors 68020

    Jun 8, 2011
    Done with MacRumors, the trolls have won
    People around here have very short memories. Apple in year "X" has lost its way, can't make innovative products, and is only concerned about profits. Then when year "Y" comes around, year "X" was when Apple made awesome products, focused on having a great user experience, and was well ahead of its competitors.

    Remember, iOS 6 was boring and uninspired. It was lambasted on these forums for being an example of how stale Apple had become. Anybody that dared to defend iOS 6 was deemed the most rotten of fanboys- people like them were the reason that Apple wasn't moving forward. As long as people were okay with iOS not changing, Apple wasn't going to do anything drastic. Well, except for removing the YouTube app. Apple was so "petty" and "juvenile" that they removed the YouTube app and made their own crappy Maps app that couldn't match up with Google Maps.

    And here we are in 2014, a time when iOS 6 is suddenly hailed as a work of art. Sure, iOS 6 didn't have many new features, but at least it was stable. Not that anybody cared how stable it was back in 2012, but it's sure convenient to bring that up now, isn't it?

    iOS 6 had issues. iOS 7 had issues. iOS 8 has issues. iOS 9 will have issues. Ditto for past, present, and future versions of OS X. As more and more people buy Apple products, more and more people will have issues, and they'll be more heavily reported in the press.

    In my opinion, people should spend less time worrying about the issues that other people are having and start asking themselves if Apple products are working for them. If so, what's the issue? If not, maybe it's time to find products that meet their needs.

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