Originally posted by beatle888
NOPE
THAT RIGHT COMES WITH THEIR AMERICAN CITIZANSHIP.
OH DAMN I GOTTA LEAVE THIS THREAD.
LONG LIVE THE AMERICAN
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As Oscars Near, Hollywood Blasts Iraq War.
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yuck. down with caps lock! ha
I think that with the war going on they should be respectful. If they don't like our policies they can always move to France. Then they won't have to be ashamed to be an American. Being public figures they affect our troop.
I made a phone call to my local ABC station to voice my displeaure with the Hollywood Elite.
I made a phone call to my local ABC station to voice my displeaure with the Hollywood Elite.
Why not?
If you had the forum, and there was something you believed strongly in or against, wouldn't you speak out? They feel this is grave and serious and wrong, therefore not speaking out may be giving approval by silence.
Either way, if you feel strongly, I think it's unhealthy for a people who pride themselves as a Democraic Republic not to speak out.
And I wouldn't say they do it "all the time."
"All the time" is what I'd call the right-wing hate speech that fills the airwaves and, increasingly, TV channels.
The point is we're at war, get over it. Your million dollars and designer clothes bitching about it isn't going to change it one way or another.
oh, cause before you said the point was that these rich people shouldn't be speaking up about things. but then when confronted with the issue of someone who agrees with you speaking out, the story changes eh?
at first i thought your concerns were genuine and well founded, now i see you just want liberals to "get over it"...
well no, i don't think they will get over the fact that people are dying for a cause they feel is unjust. sorry. and i think at least some of them would feel the same way, regardless of how much money they have. i certainly am not rich and famous and yet i feel that way.
so you can get over it that people disagree with you and your desire to shut down people's voices.
Bravo to you for speaking out! Have you called your Senators and Representatives? The White House? Let them know how you feel! Everyone who feels strongly pro or con should.
Also, that goes for you. I think it's wonderful that you speak out here, and I think it's wonderful that they speak out there. Regardless the size of the audience, it's America at work when you can speak your mind.
As for moving abroad, would you have gone away while Clinton was president if you didn't agree with his policies? No? Then why should they?
And again, not supporting the administration does not mean you do not support the troops.
It is possible to have two differing views at the same time: anti-Saddam and anti-war; pro-troops and anti-administration, etc. You cannot tie a bad idea to a good idea and float them as one to discredit an argument.
I'm not a warmonger by any means. I wish it didn't have to come to this. My belief is that we will never have peace in the Middle East until we solve the Israeli/Palestine equation.
I wish our foreign policy was not so pro-Israeli, then there could be a chance for a true peace in the region and less Arab resentment of America. We could've been an arbitrator for peace in the region.
But getting to Saddam Hussein, what would you do about him? How would you deal with him? Do you think you can reason with a man like him? If you do, there is a bridge I'd like to sell you.
P.S. Sorry for ranting in my last post. I just get irritated seeing a white kid with dreadlocks hollering about peace then going to smoke a bowl.
I wish our foreign policy was not so pro-Israeli, then there could be a chance for a true peace in the region and less Arab resentment of America. We could've been an arbitrator for peace in the region.
But getting to Saddam Hussein, what would you do about him? How would you deal with him? Do you think you can reason with a man like him? If you do, there is a bridge I'd like to sell you.
P.S. Sorry for ranting in my last post. I just get irritated seeing a white kid with dreadlocks hollering about peace then going to smoke a bowl.
I see Irak war closer be a second Vietnam than a a success.
I have to recall that it is easy to support a war when you do not have to carry the gun or when your relative is not involve.
I really would like to cut some heads around here (in my country) but using the brain btw.
This war is gonna be very sad for the US and still very soft, that is what the actors are claiming and most of the world.
The US is investing so much technology just to act in a barbaric way, give me a brake!
I can see no far away from here the negative results of the war by the same americans inside the US it self.
And... the socialist are gonna take full advantage of that.
I have to recall that it is easy to support a war when you do not have to carry the gun or when your relative is not involve.
I really would like to cut some heads around here (in my country) but using the brain btw.
This war is gonna be very sad for the US and still very soft, that is what the actors are claiming and most of the world.
The US is investing so much technology just to act in a barbaric way, give me a brake!
I can see no far away from here the negative results of the war by the same americans inside the US it self.
And... the socialist are gonna take full advantage of that.
Re: Re: As Oscars Near, Hollywood Blasts Iraq War.
I believe in freedom. I don't believe in the average joe being ignored because people with millions can go out, make a couple of stupid comments, and be heard by half the world. I think it's great that these actors and actresses have their own opinion, but using their status to pass their political thoughts to the millions when they're supposed to be doing their job, is going a bit too far.
Not all actors and actresses are misinformed or stupid, but the vast majority of them seem to be a little out of whack.
Maybe if they donated millions to education, and spent some of their time volunteering in schools or helping out in the real world, they would have a better grip on reality.
As for my second post being pro-violence: I was trying to make a point. It shows that in a world of violence, peace and non-aggression don't always work.
I believe in freedom. I don't believe in the average joe being ignored because people with millions can go out, make a couple of stupid comments, and be heard by half the world. I think it's great that these actors and actresses have their own opinion, but using their status to pass their political thoughts to the millions when they're supposed to be doing their job, is going a bit too far.
Not all actors and actresses are misinformed or stupid, but the vast majority of them seem to be a little out of whack.
Maybe if they donated millions to education, and spent some of their time volunteering in schools or helping out in the real world, they would have a better grip on reality.
As for my second post being pro-violence: I was trying to make a point. It shows that in a world of violence, peace and non-aggression don't always work.
Re: Re: Re: As Oscars Near, Hollywood Blasts Iraq War.
Iraq has never attacked the United States and does not pose an imminent threat to any of her citizens.
Iraq has never attacked the United States and does not pose an imminent threat to any of her citizens.
I never went to England and made a public appearance to say "I'm ashamed to be an American."
I made a phone to the White House before the war to show my support for George Bush. That he is in my prayers.
I didn't waist my time with Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, or Stephen Lynch being Socialists they support the UN 1st before American Citizens.
Bill Clinton to my pleasure governed more like a Republican than a Democrat. But with Hillary as president she will make such radical changes toward rule by the UN. That I and others are thinking about moving if that were a reality. How would you like Sec. General Bill Clinton along with Hillary.
OK. Guess who said this. You'd be surprised:
(Space Imaging: Photos Prove Connection Between Iraq & Al-Qaeda Terrorists)
And what makes you think Al-Qaeda will think twice about attacking the US?
Which means with this:
(Washington Times: Iraqi Scientist Says Materials for Nuclear Bombs in Hand)
That makes them even more of a threat.
And then, from this article
There is this:
And even more terrifying, is this:
And to finally link things back to the first link, is this, from the last link:
You don't need to be a genius to see that saddam supports terrorism. And with all of his weapons, it's anybody's guess how and when terrorists will attack next.
Oh, and that first quote, was president Bill Clinton in 1998.
(Space Imaging: Photos Prove Connection Between Iraq & Al-Qaeda Terrorists)
And what makes you think Al-Qaeda will think twice about attacking the US?
Which means with this:
(Washington Times: Iraqi Scientist Says Materials for Nuclear Bombs in Hand)
That makes them even more of a threat.
And then, from this article
There is this:
And even more terrifying, is this:
And to finally link things back to the first link, is this, from the last link:
You don't need to be a genius to see that saddam supports terrorism. And with all of his weapons, it's anybody's guess how and when terrorists will attack next.
Oh, and that first quote, was president Bill Clinton in 1998.
When you are in the military, you don't really have a choice. When the government tells you to go to war, you go. That is your purpose. It also means that you cannot have any doubts about it without compromising your mission. You become a tool of the government, giving up some of your personal freedoms to (hopefully) defend the freedom of your fellow citizens. I am not bashing the soldiers in way here, I have a lot of respect for anyone who is making such a sacrifice for the community.
But that does not mean that the WHOLE country has to 'align' itself with the government. Because that would mean giving up democracy. Even during a crisis, the people have to keep a watchful eye on the government, because that is when it is most vulnerable to dangerous missteps.
Have you have read G.Orwell's '1984', where the totalitarian regime keeps the country at war at all times to remain in total control: "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignarance is strength."
If you have a problem with people criticising your mission, then either turn off the news (if you think it is just all liberal lies) or change job if it becomes unbearable (if you think war could be questionable). Either way, don't ask the world around you to change to serve the purpose of the military.
People who are against war are not questioning the military, they are questioning the government. The US military does its job extremely well, we all know that. Big sloppy kiss on the cheek (eww)
Originally posted by beatle888
NOPE
THAT RIGHT COMES WITH THEIR AMERICAN CITIZANSHIP.
OH DAMN I GOTTA LEAVE THIS THREAD.
LONG LIVE THE AMERICAN
No, because their actions are boarderlining on treason. Very, very close. At least Michael Moores statements are nearly on the verge of treason. The rest are just stupid statements by overpaid actors that have little understanding of the world, or anything else.
how broad and generalizing of actors/celebrities as dumb and having too much money.... cause once they get their money they must give up all opinion/intelligence...
sure, some don't sound too bright and get caught up. but that comes on BOTH sides of the aisle. though i don't hear anyone crying about arnold sounding like a meathead....
Except for ENDING Slaver, Fascism, Nazism and Communism... WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING....
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Wow, I've been suprised by some statements in here about freedom of speach but this one really cuts the cake.
Here we aparently have an experts opinion on treason. I thought american citizens were garenteed free speach but aparently it depends on your political outlook. Micheal More is so liberal that he constitues some sort of threat to the US.
While we're at it we better start a new round of the McCarthy hearings to contain this liberal disease that is threatening the country.
Be carefull of what you wish for, it might just come true some day.
The only one who has committed treason is that 101st Airborne sergeant who fragged his own troops. I hope he hangs in Leavenworth. Being ex-Army, I take comfort in knowing his ass is grass under UCMJ.
Do you realize that there is NOT ONE COUNTRY in the whole wide world except the US, that is where a majority of the population thinks the war on Iraq is justified? Strange, isn't it? You might as well face the fact that the Bush administration and the american media are brainwashing you big time. And it's really frightening.
Most populations of the world live under decent governments. I wonder if their sentiment would change if they'd been living in Iraq for the past 20 years. Or North Korea.
And what do we know that the rest of the world does not?
Perhaps we know the FEAR, the abject fear that is pumped down our throats everyday by the US media for at least the past 15 years... if it bleeds it leads.
It's also pretty telling that the "proof" of 9/11 and Iraq connections come from Rush Limbaugh's website. 'Cause, you know, he'd never lie or stretch the truth or anything, right?