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I thought drug dealers where the very model of a subscription service.

They're the very model of supply and demand. In what world do you know someone who signs up for a 12 month contract with a drug dealer at a set price ever month via direct debit?
 
Or in my case - work aside - has entirely cut the cord from Apple... I went Surface Pro then Surface Book.. Once that started and I needed a new phone I no longer needed iOS so I turned to Android and picked up a fantastic One +3.

So yeah, Apple had a chance to do things right without having a 3rd party pick up the slack. It should have been a no brainer.

Question. What are you using for Logic Pro and is that specifically for the iPad Pro?

Progress has slowed on the Mac thats for sure, and its great that there is now a real alternative with the Surface, but I think Apple still has far reaching goals when it comes with the Mac. So I can understand when users like yourself just can't sit around to twiddle their thumbs about waiting for Apple to move. It's time to jump ship.

As for Logic Pro X, Apple has the Logic Pro Remote which is not exclusive to the iPad Pro: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/logic-remote/id638394624?mt=8

It's been around for over three years and an app for FCP really should have been released a long time ago, but it seems Apple is committed to the new Touch Bar at the moment.
 
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There is no $65 version - there is only a $65/year version...
That was the one I was referring to in my post - you have a choice between two versions, with different performance and pricing models.
 
They're the very model of supply and demand. In what world do you know someone who signs up for a 12 month contract with a drug dealer at a set price ever month via direct debit?

Well, they generally offer a product that people can't live without and have to repeat payment to use said product over days, weeks, months, years... There isn't a legally binding contract although I'm sure some high end dealers offer payment plans.
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Progress has slowed on the Mac thats for sure, and its great that there is now a real alternative with the Surface, but I think Apple still has far reaching goals when it comes with the Mac. So I can understand when users like yourself just can't sit around to twiddle their thumbs about waiting for Apple to move. It's time to jump ship.

As for Logic Pro X, Apple has the Logic Pro Remote which is not exclusive to the iPad Pro: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/logic-remote/id638394624?mt=8

It's been around for over three years and an app for FCP really should have been released a long time ago, but it seems Apple is committed to the new Touch Bar at the moment.

Ahhh yes I remember using it back when I was using Logic. I also had an app for Reason but they were both on my iPad Mini and not a great experience.

Moved over to Bitwig Studio now on the Surface. I will say that working with Audio on the Mac was far cleaner. I've had to jump through some hoops to get things working properly on Windows and it still throws a hissy fit from time to time o_O
 
Well, they generally offer a product that people can't live without and have to repeat payment to use said product over days, weeks, months, years... There isn't a legally binding contract although I'm sure some high end dealers offer payment plans.

Payment plans would be finance - they definitely over finance and debt. But it's still not a subscription model. People get addicted to alcohol, just because they can't live without it doesn't mean they're subscribed, they just buy it when you can from a shop. This is the exact opposite definition of a subscription model, this is buying what you can afford when you want it - like everything that ISN'T a subscription model.

Subscription models largely rely on you NOT being addicted, they want you to sign up and forget about it and continue to pay for nothing each month until you remember to cancel. A gym membership for instance is a great example. But even software, it works better for Adobe if people don't use their resources or tools but keep the subscription active.
 
Subscription models largely rely on you NOT being addicted, they want you to sign up and forget about it and continue to pay for nothing each month until you remember to cancel. A gym membership for instance is a great example. But even software, it works better for Adobe if people don't use their resources or tools but keep the subscription active.

Ahh, in my case, Photoshop, use it every day and can't perform without it.
 
get a grip. They come out with a version targeted at professional users and still keep the original, in no way did they "cripple" their software. I say this as someone who also has the original software. They could just as easily kill dit but decided to offer two versions so users can chose based on their needs.

Get a clue. If you go to their website you will see that they indeed did cripple the original in order to sell a "pro" tier. 5x faster (i.e. lower latency), and higher resolution, 40MB/S vs 5MB/S, keyboard support, eraser tool, etc. Those are things that should be in EVERY version of their software. Their intentional crippling of the now unusable "standard" version is the most blatant that I've ever seen for a software company.

The original app wasn't free (in fact it was one of the most expensive that I've ever purchased on iOS), and countless people helped them beta test, including myself. So they reward us by coming up with a subscription pricing model!?! Keep in mind, I'm not asking for perpetual updates for the original price that I paid. That's unrealistic. I would have been fine with an upgrade pricing model, and would have been happy to upgrade to the "pro" version. My problem is with the subscription model and it's also why I haven't switched to Adobe CC as well.
 
Get a clue. If you go to their website you will see that they indeed did cripple the original in order to sell a "pro" tier.

Bull. They added a new, better product and still kept the original instead of just killing it.

5x faster (i.e. lower latency), and higher resolution, 40MB/S vs 5MB/S, keyboard support, eraser tool, etc. Those are things that should be in EVERY version of their software. Their intentional crippling of the now unusable "standard" version is the most blatant that I've ever seen for a software company.

They have no obligation to add the same features to the basic version as the pros; not doing so isn't crippling the basic version.

As for it become unusable; if you could use it prior to the pro version coming out its usability hasn't changed, you just now have a pro version that in comparison is better.

The original app wasn't free (in fact it was one of the most expensive that I've ever purchased on iOS), and countless people helped them beta test, including myself.

I paid for it as well and it still works just fine. You got what you paid for, as did I.

So they reward us by coming up with a subscription pricing model!?! Keep in mind, I'm not asking for perpetual updates for the original price that I paid. That's unrealistic. I would have been fine with an upgrade pricing model, and would have been happy to upgrade to the "pro" version. My problem is with the subscription model and it's also why I haven't switched to Adobe CC as well.

I would have liked such a model as well but they decided not to so i am forgoing the pro version as well. I get that it would be nice to have the basic version made more powerful but that they did not doesn't mean they crippled the basic version.
 
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I tried AstroPad Studio with their 7 day free trial. I will say its pretty slick, but not $65 a year slick. I think I'd rather save my money up for one of Wacom's fancy Cintiq's.
 
I tried AstroPad Studio with their 7 day free trial. I will say its pretty slick, but not $65 a year slick. I think I'd rather save my money up for one of Wacom's fancy Cintiq's.
I haven't tried the Studio trial yet, and I'm looking at the Wacom Cintiq Pro 13 pretty hard - longtime Wacom user here. But "save my money up" made me laugh pretty hard - you'll be buying a Cintiq in 14-15 years at the rate of $65 per year for the Studio option. No worries, I'm not laughing at you, not at all - I use AstroPad, I don't see it replacing a Cintiq especially with the new styli they're making now… Cheers, ya'll…
 
2/24/17 - I downloaded and tested Astropad Studio and it works great (2012 MacBook Pro, 12.9" iPad Pro, Photoshop CC 2017). This is innovative software that allows for a very capable alternative to the aging 13" Wacom Cintiq (& Wacom's troublesome drivers). If you're a pro illustrator/artist and you see that your career would truly benefit with the help of this software then the $8/mo subscription is hardly unreasonable, all things considered. If you're not a pro then Astropad Studio and the subscription fee are obviously not for you. The cheaper "Astropad" is still supported, was recently updated to be even faster, so all you complainers and non-pros should choose that reasonably priced option.
 
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