The Vision Pro is equivalent to a 85” tv and soundbar in only the very loosest of ways. For most people they are not even remotely interchangeable.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
At $3,500, will you buy a Vision Pro?
- Thread starter KPOM
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
$3500 is definitely expensive. Much more than I can really afford, or at least justify. But if Apple does an upgrade plan, like they do with the iPhone, then I would only have to pay the high price once, with hopefully much cheaper upgrade options when future models come out.
Nope, I will pass on this. VR is not for everybody, motion sickness is real, and it last for hours!
I think 3500 is expensive for a device seeking market acceptance. In the case of your TV, I get that the headset might serve one person well, but with a huge TV we often times purchase them for groups of people, a family etc.
Yikes! Public!! That's why I am buying this damn AR/VR to get away from people.
Motion sickness is real but the cause is your inner ear disagreeing spacially with your eyes... which will give you the same feeling as being poisoned (an early warning for poisoning is how some would define it). However, a high refresh rate, low latency will make the device more useable by more people that previously suffered motion sickness (I won't say all), but if you do have motion sickness - I would not use it in any mode but Augmented reality mode where your environment is tied to reality (and less likely to trigger the disagreement). If you do suffer from headaches from VR though (not motion sickness), this won't solve that problem (different issue).
That is why I typically leave my iPhone at home or turned off when going out... unless I have already been notified to expect a phone call... tech only controls you if you let it... I will however likely be buying this device when it is available where I live.
If I remember correctly, motion sickness happens when the motion does not match the view. For example, boats move, but the ocean / boat does not appear to = motion sickness. Same with some XR headsets, the lag between moving and having the display match the change can be enough to induce motion sickness.
I believe having a dedicated processor for sensors and the M2 for updates on the AVP will probably eliminate much of the lag created by older processors (Snapdragon XR2).
Brownlee has a great review:
latency is reported to be 12 ms or 0.012 seconds... which for most (if not all) is imperceptible...
I think Apple should've invested for AI/Siri instead of Vision Pro.
Vision Pro is looks nice but Apple is behind on AI.
Vision Pro is looks nice but Apple is behind on AI.
I don't believe Apple core research is applicable to one project only, they are always looking to use the same core research for multiple applications (whether they go to market with them or not). A lot of what you will be getting in Vision Pro was also part of the 'Apple Car' research... in fact ML (Machine Learning to be specific) is very much a part of Vision Pro. They also continue to invest in Voice recognition (Siri). It is not a zero sum game in that sort of research. The R&D budget is $26 billion per year.
I don't know if I'll buy, but I'm leaning toward it.
The simple fact is, this technology is probably the closest we'll get to a "holodeck" type experience in my lifetime. I want to participate in it. But it's not just that. I can imagine a thousand different uses for the device that could allow me to increase my QOL & productivity (any size 4k screen for Macs? infinite canvas for Freeform?) and experience things I'll never experience in real life.
The simple fact is, this technology is probably the closest we'll get to a "holodeck" type experience in my lifetime. I want to participate in it. But it's not just that. I can imagine a thousand different uses for the device that could allow me to increase my QOL & productivity (any size 4k screen for Macs? infinite canvas for Freeform?) and experience things I'll never experience in real life.
Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why I never rely on market research. Our task is to read things that are not yet on the page. - Steve Jobs
Tim Cook hasn't even shown what the vision pro can do besides be a faster "mac"
Tim Cook hasn't even shown what the vision pro can do besides be a faster "mac"
Vision Pro is mostly AI, or machine learning, as Apple prefers to call it. Yes, Apple has let Siri kind of stagnate, but it's been building machine learning into the background of a lot of its services. Take a picture of a flower with the iPhone, and it identifies the flower -- that's AI. It scans your pictures and finds ones with specific people in them -- AI. Select text and you get an option to translate it -- AI. Accessibility feature now includes live caption, where all kinds of audio can be transcribed in real time -- AI. Cameras in Vision Pro takes pictures of your surroundings and project it onto your screen in real time -- AI. Detects when someone approaches you, and lets them "break through" even if you are in immersion mode -- AI.
Should Apple have spent time improving Siri instead of all this other stuff? I think they hit a wall with Siri, and instead of trying to force through the problem by working in that one direction, they are branching out in many directions. I, for one, don't mind that instead of saying "Siri, identify this flower," all I need to do is take a picture, then look at the picture info.
Thank you for your replies.
My biggest complaint about Apple strategy and Siri are natural language processing.
I know Apple currently working on Siri natural language updates, however, for my native language Siri is unreliable even in text instead of voice.
Bing AI Chat, ChatGPT, and other AI assistants are works really well unlike Siri.
Also, I'm concerned about macOS barely uses Apple Neural Engine (ANE) on Apple Silicon Macs, in fact ANE usage stays 0% most of the time.
Asking to Siri, visual look up in the Photo app, dictation, none of these uses ANE according to CLI tool "asitop".
https://github.com/tlkh/asitop
M1 ANE can process up to 11 trillion (15.8 on M2) operations per second but ANE is waste of its potential on the current state of macOS imo, I don't know much about Core ML optimized apps though.
Anyway I didn't mean to mocking Vision Pro. I'm sorry if I bothered you guys.
My biggest complaint about Apple strategy and Siri are natural language processing.
I know Apple currently working on Siri natural language updates, however, for my native language Siri is unreliable even in text instead of voice.
Bing AI Chat, ChatGPT, and other AI assistants are works really well unlike Siri.
Also, I'm concerned about macOS barely uses Apple Neural Engine (ANE) on Apple Silicon Macs, in fact ANE usage stays 0% most of the time.
Asking to Siri, visual look up in the Photo app, dictation, none of these uses ANE according to CLI tool "asitop".
https://github.com/tlkh/asitop
M1 ANE can process up to 11 trillion (15.8 on M2) operations per second but ANE is waste of its potential on the current state of macOS imo, I don't know much about Core ML optimized apps though.
Anyway I didn't mean to mocking Vision Pro. I'm sorry if I bothered you guys.
I will likely get one - but I will likely also convince at least 1 client to let me create an app for it so I can consider it all a business expense
If you are working as a business and not an employee (I assume since you mention client), why would you need to have a client to create an app for... you should be able to depreciate it like any other hardware you use for business (if you develop/code even if you don't have a customer yet ... it is still for business use (not personal)).
You are a 100% correct - I could totally just buy one and build an app for it that I like and depreciate it, but ideally I would build something for someone else. I have already spoken to some of my customers and expect to buy at least 2 of these - 1 for myself to develop with and the other for the customers to use to actually use in the field.
It has tons of new use cases but Apple hasn't mentioned anything yet,just letting users imagination go crazy.