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AT&T 4G LTE iPhone Planned for 2012 Launch?
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Taking your cash would be stealing. iPhone and its data plan are voluntary purchases. You are exchanging your cash for something you agree has value to you. If it doesn't have value to you then don't hand over your cash!
Good grief.
The "previous history" that we all base our expectations upon is a single data point: Apple released the first iPhone with edge rather than 3G. While apple seemed satisfied, it was one of the major complaints against the device (justified or not).
Apple did have even the iPhone 3GS be capable of HSPA+ before it was widely available.
Finally, what about backwards compatibility? Unless there is a technical tradeoff (3G has worse battery life as compared to EDGE), why wouldn't apple release an LTE phone to let users benefit where they can and just default back to 3G where it isn't available? Let the blame rest on AT&T to get their network in line.
Apple did have even the iPhone 3GS be capable of HSPA+ before it was widely available.
Finally, what about backwards compatibility? Unless there is a technical tradeoff (3G has worse battery life as compared to EDGE), why wouldn't apple release an LTE phone to let users benefit where they can and just default back to 3G where it isn't available? Let the blame rest on AT&T to get their network in line.
WOW
Wrong, the phones are only HSPA compatible, not +. HSPA gets you up to 7.2mbps, the + gets you up to 21mbps.
AT&T's + network is already in place and broadcasting! All 250 million people covered! No devices are currently available that can access it, but many were announced today.
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You all missed the story a few weeks ago saying evolved 3G is allowed to be called 4G.
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You all missed the story a few weeks ago saying evolved 3G is allowed to be called 4G.
Point taken, but even then, when the 3GS was released, I believe that AT&T's network didn't fully support even HSPA in most areas. I think NYC just got updated a few months ago.
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I went looking myself and found nothing.
Nermal said:
I went looking myself and found nothing.
yeah you can go ahead a believe these carriers all you want but true 4G is 100 Mbps
http://gizmodo.com/5680755/the-dirty-secret-of-todays-4g-its-not-4g
that's a negative ghost rider. iPhones no iPhone has HSPA+ how can they when At&t has turn on the network? iPhone 4 and 3GS supports HSPA not HSPA+
I just hope they call it the iPhone 5 and not the iPhone 4G.
Nope, next will be 5 or 5G, and then 5GS the S is for SPEEEEED remember?
Well...we get Android or WM7 devices, that are LTE-capable. Just like many Europeans skipped that EDGE-iPhone. You know, the one that couldn't do MMS for whatever reason...
I don't want 4g given they will just charge more. 3G is more than enough speed for mobile use, so unless 4G is more solid connections and I can tether I have no interest in paying even more to the phone company.
How about solid 3G speeds and work on dropped call issues?
How about solid 3G speeds and work on dropped call issues?
Yeah, obvious there won't be a "4G" iPhone yet, even for the upcoming fake 4G networks. There is no national 4G network of any significance, and we don't even have HSPA+ support yet. Cellular network technology developments and rollouts move much slower than a lot of people seem to understand.
The headlining news here is that De la Vega apparently leaked Apple's iPhone plans at a CES keynote? A "4G" iPhone next year was absolutely not a sure thing, and even if it had been, you don't talk Apple's plans before Apple does. Is AT&T maybe feeling less beholden now that Verizon's getting the green light?
The headlining news here is that De la Vega apparently leaked Apple's iPhone plans at a CES keynote? A "4G" iPhone next year was absolutely not a sure thing, and even if it had been, you don't talk Apple's plans before Apple does. Is AT&T maybe feeling less beholden now that Verizon's getting the green light?
This makes a certain amount of Apple sense to me. The strategy Apple seems to take more often then not, is to rely on other peoples unproven technology. They will be an "Early Adopter", if the technology has been proven. Additionally, any problems with a Network Provider's LTE service would reflect on the iPhone, even if undeserved. I'm sure Apple is well aware of that.
Basically, if Apple takes on an unproven network service, they will make nerds happy, and run the risk of making the general consumer population unhappy. If they don't run with the technology out of the gate, nerds that don't understand Apple will be unhappy, but the general consumer population will be happy.
Guess which audience gives Apple more money, and has more sum total influence
Basically, if Apple takes on an unproven network service, they will make nerds happy, and run the risk of making the general consumer population unhappy. If they don't run with the technology out of the gate, nerds that don't understand Apple will be unhappy, but the general consumer population will be happy.
Guess which audience gives Apple more money, and has more sum total influence
Well...we get Android or WM7 devices, that are LTE-capable. Just like many Europeans skipped that EDGE-iPhone. You know, the one that couldn't do MMS for whatever reason...
I meant as for the LTE Network. Then I remembered reading an article on the BBC a few months back. Just went to find it.
Linky link link
The fifth iPhone isn't even out yet and there is already speculation about the sixth?
This has got to be some sort of record. Who knows what will happen. I'm waiting 'till june first to get my iPhone 5, 4G, 4GS or whatever.
This has got to be some sort of record. Who knows what will happen. I'm waiting 'till june first to get my iPhone 5, 4G, 4GS or whatever.
Honestly, what in God's green earth requires 100 Mbps on a cell phone right now? I won't go so far as to say "640K ought to be enough for everybody" or anything, but please do explain to me why you need your cell phone to be 5x faster than my home broadband that gives me three-tuner HD PVR capability in addition to all them lovely Interwebs.
I know this is CES season and big shiny numbers are all the rage, but seriously. Priorities, people
I know this is CES season and big shiny numbers are all the rage, but seriously. Priorities, people
New Timetable
Summer of 2012 is too late. With major cities allready being covered now, it doesn't make sense to wait another full release cycle.
I think Apple is going to revise the June launch cycle. We have all heard about the Verizon getting iPhone this spring. But what sense would it make to bring a 9month old iphone 4 to VZ. They will release the iPhone5 ahead of schedule, breaking the pattern set in previous years. This will make releases more like 9-10 months instead of 12. So the 2012 release, when they finally go full 4G (LTE or WiMax), will be early in the first quarter. Apple needs to do this with all the increased pressure in the smartphone market.
As for the iPhone5, HSPA+ is a possibility. I don't think the form factor or other options will change much, other than a software upgrade. Verizon users will be happy, but so will AT&T users with big speed increases. And look for T-Mobile to get in on the fun. If AT&T exclusiveness is over, why wouldn't all carriers get on board? I don't see Verizon paying a big premium to be 'second exclusive' carrier. T-Mobile and Sprint are minor players, but will help make iPhone5 a huge seller.
Summer of 2012 is too late. With major cities allready being covered now, it doesn't make sense to wait another full release cycle.
I think Apple is going to revise the June launch cycle. We have all heard about the Verizon getting iPhone this spring. But what sense would it make to bring a 9month old iphone 4 to VZ. They will release the iPhone5 ahead of schedule, breaking the pattern set in previous years. This will make releases more like 9-10 months instead of 12. So the 2012 release, when they finally go full 4G (LTE or WiMax), will be early in the first quarter. Apple needs to do this with all the increased pressure in the smartphone market.
As for the iPhone5, HSPA+ is a possibility. I don't think the form factor or other options will change much, other than a software upgrade. Verizon users will be happy, but so will AT&T users with big speed increases. And look for T-Mobile to get in on the fun. If AT&T exclusiveness is over, why wouldn't all carriers get on board? I don't see Verizon paying a big premium to be 'second exclusive' carrier. T-Mobile and Sprint are minor players, but will help make iPhone5 a huge seller.
My Thoughts.
Now that that ITU has changed the definition of "4G"....
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/121710-itu-softens-on-the-definition.html
...all the major carriers can now claim to be 4G....and they are.
Now it comes down to speed, coverage, user experience (4G still has a battery life issue), and backup network.
I think that Verizon is at a disadvantage here. When Verizon users have to fallback to 3G (4G-LTE won't be built out until 2013-2014), they will go back down to a theoretical speed limit of 3.2mbps (actual is less than 1 mbps) and lose voice or data (Verizon's CDMA can not support both at the same time).
However, T-Mobile and AT&T can fallback to their HSPA+ 4G networks that support a theoretical speed limit of 21mbps and support concurrent data/voice.
Now that that ITU has changed the definition of "4G"....
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/121710-itu-softens-on-the-definition.html
...all the major carriers can now claim to be 4G....and they are.
Now it comes down to speed, coverage, user experience (4G still has a battery life issue), and backup network.
I think that Verizon is at a disadvantage here. When Verizon users have to fallback to 3G (4G-LTE won't be built out until 2013-2014), they will go back down to a theoretical speed limit of 3.2mbps (actual is less than 1 mbps) and lose voice or data (Verizon's CDMA can not support both at the same time).
However, T-Mobile and AT&T can fallback to their HSPA+ 4G networks that support a theoretical speed limit of 21mbps and support concurrent data/voice.
Oh, sorry for you Brits.
Here in Germany the LTE revolution has begun, as all major Telcos are rolling out LTE. Basically they start LTE in the rural areas so they don't have to bring fibre cable there. It's a way cheaper method to deliver broadband internet speeds to rural areas.
So ironically the weakest network spots are the ones to first get the LTE treatment. But OTOH it's making the telcos money as they earn in selling broadband internet access.
More background here
So, yeah, my next phone has to be LTE-capable (because LTE will be here within 2 years before contract expiry)
dammit!
i made a bet for 200 bucks that the iphone will come early in 2011 because of a certain post on a certain site called macrumors
i made a bet for 200 bucks that the iphone will come early in 2011 because of a certain post on a certain site called macrumors
This makes a certain amount of Apple sense to me. The strategy Apple seems to take more often then not, is to rely on other peoples unproven technology. They will be an "Early Adopter", if the technology has been proven. Additionally, any problems with a Network Provider's LTE service would reflect on the iPhone, even if undeserved. I'm sure Apple is well aware of that.
Basically, if Apple takes on an unproven network service, they will make nerds happy, and run the risk of making the general consumer population unhappy. If they don't run with the technology out of the gate, nerds that don't understand Apple will be unhappy, but the general consumer population will be happy.
Guess which audience gives Apple more money, and has more sum total influence
That's a good point, and you may be right.
But, the potential issue is that if the nerds (I'll use your term for now), make enough noise, it can color the general public opinion. For example, the whole antennagate issue made a big stir over an issue that most of the general public never would have noticed. I met many people who knew "something was wrong" with the iPhone 4 but didn't really understand what it was or whether it would really affect them. However, I may be proving you right here, as despite the significant publicity the antenna issue got, the iPhone 4 still sold really well.