I thought Apple would have fought harder to get more freedom, they're not really worried about jailbreaking are they, it's AT&T etc who lose out.
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AT&T and Apple Tightening Policies to Reduce iPhone Unlocking
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You are right I just looked at it. Still the other one takes sd cards which are dirt cheap now so you could use one of those too.
Personally, I would still choose the N95 with its premium price over obligating myself to paying AT&T for lower bandwidth, higher priced, and worse coverage (at least in my area) for two years. I guess I'm weird though.
This is probably why we are having a housing crisis too. When bankers offered "creative" balloon notes a few years ago to buyers they jumped at the chance to buy houses beyond their means because they had low initial and monthly payments. Now that the notes are up, the borrowers either have to pay up or pay sky high rates. The banks and investment houses they sold the notes to aren't generally re-negotiating either. They are foreclosing. In the end, you have to look at total cost of ownership and not just the upfront or even monthly cost or you are a fool IMO.
I can't imagine buying an iPhone from an Apple store, then having to decide what plan you want. For instance, there would need to be more plan information, T's & C's, people who know a decent amount about AT&T plans etc. Then they have to take all your details, type it into the POS and do all the credit checking, then activate the SIM. It doesn't seem very Apple like?
Also, there is no incentive for Apple store employees to upsell the AT&T contracts, whereas in an AT&T store there probably would be, no? I wouldn't like that if I was AT&T.
I'm in the UK, so I'm only guessing. If all else fails, we can unlock our PAYG phones and eBay them back to you guys?!
Also, there is no incentive for Apple store employees to upsell the AT&T contracts, whereas in an AT&T store there probably would be, no? I wouldn't like that if I was AT&T.
I'm in the UK, so I'm only guessing. If all else fails, we can unlock our PAYG phones and eBay them back to you guys?!
Well said. I assume a lot of people are int he same boat as me, cost isn't the issue. Being locked in with a crap carrier is... Given the laws against this in .au I wonder if it will be the new hotbed for unlocked iphone goodness... or have they succumbed too?
Erm, we we talking unlocked, sim-free phones here. No matter if a phone is new or not, one should compare it to something with a similar feature set. The phone that was put forth had that, was unlocked and so forth.
If you don't think it's relevant that you end up paying a helluvalot more for a phone over a 24 period, then there's a problem, because that is what you actually pay.
It's no bloody wonder Apple can get away with the "We'll still screw you over. We'll just do it slowly." ( that was of course a paraphrase of "we listened to the people who said it cost too much").
"unethical monopolistic US$1680" ?? Come on, quit with the hyperbole and drama for god sakes..
1) The iPhone plans are actually much cheaper than if you purchase the same minutes/txt messages and add an unlimited data package from Verizon. In fact, It is actually cheaper than having the same contract with OTHER SMARTPHONES on AT&T. So it's actually not a bad deal at all. The problem is that people who haven't used mobile data in the past think $30/month is expensive! With Verizon, my unlimited data both 2G or 3G has cost $50/month for years.
2) People are still able to remove the unlimited data after they sign up for the contract, right? So you can signup for the $70/month plan and then remove the unlimited data package and bring the bill down to $40/month if you are only going to use WiFi for whatever reason.
Ok...
Has anyone found yet, since I've got my well loved first gen iPhone (Merry Christmas mom), will the new prices apply if I sign up for an additional 2 years with AT&T?
Will I be chained to AT&T (just a thorn in my side since I retired from them last week) for just 2 years, or will they tack it on to my remaining 1 year from when I switched last year?
The new data plan, how many text messages in that sucker? If just 200 again will it be another $10 for the 1500?
I've looked around but didn't find any information. Then again, but I didn't look round that hard.
Has anyone found yet, since I've got my well loved first gen iPhone (Merry Christmas mom), will the new prices apply if I sign up for an additional 2 years with AT&T?
Will I be chained to AT&T (just a thorn in my side since I retired from them last week) for just 2 years, or will they tack it on to my remaining 1 year from when I switched last year?
The new data plan, how many text messages in that sucker? If just 200 again will it be another $10 for the 1500?
I've looked around but didn't find any information. Then again, but I didn't look round that hard.
My point is that at least with Verizon you get faster 3G. And I know T-Mobile is just now rolling out 3G but you can choose your features pretty much ala carte with them That way if you only want text and voice or voice and data you can save money. AT&T makes you buy everything.
There are no text messages included. You have to pay extra for that.
No, we're talking about subsidised smartphones. You will never get an early adopter unlocked smartphone for £100-150 regardless of the brand. The point is this: If you want an iPhone for that price you're going to have to enter into a subsidised agreement with a carrier just as you would with any other smartphone.
Well the iPhone does compare to other smartphones. Like them all it has good points and bad points.
Really? Despite Apple making it clear it had signed carrier agreements? No, I don't think so.
It's not relevant because Apple - or rather Apple's carriers - are doing what they do with any other manufacturer. If anyone really though that Jobs was offering an unlocked iPhone for £100 then they're an idiot.
It's not screwing you over unless you were dumb enough to believe you were getting a smartphone for £100. Smartphones remain premium products so you pay a premium price. Don't like it? Don't buy one.
Yes they would without hesitation - and it's the carrier that blocks it, not the manufacturer. Don't kid yourself.
But it's true isn't it? That is actually what you pay for it, plus the outlay, of course. To me, that's exorbitant, and can only be so high because ATT have a defacto monopoly in the US.
As I said, exorbitant and monopolistic.
Yes, it's still a piss poor deal, since it's actually the opposite of what Apple said at the keynote: The phones are _not_ cheaper. It's just the outlay, giving the impression they're cheaper.
Another thing, how come the price for the plan for the iphone have risen?
Remember, it comes on top of 40 bucks for the voiceplan, and is it 5 dollar for the text-plan?
With regards to "not being used to it": I use it every day. I have this sweet USB-stick with 7,2mbps on it. Of course, luckily, I don't have to be content with a company like ATT
For years? I think it's time you tried negotiating that deal. Seriously, if it has been like for years, then you're now officially just being milked.
LOL, Ah, yes, but not the reverse? The thing is, 40$ is the majority of the bill, and it's that part that should be much, much cheaper. I don't care how they put that deal together, the thing is the total should be lower.
Only one?
I'd like to imagine that I'm not the only one that couldn't care less about the issues of unlocking the iPhone. I'd imagine if this phone was not locked into an exclusive AT&T contract or whatever service provider that has the exclusive iPhone contract in your country was available to any network I think plenty of people would still find something to complain about.
I'm satisfied with AT&T and I do not mind the prices. Arguing about which service provider is better is like arguing about PC vs. Mac, Canon vs. Nikon, Pepsi vs. Coke, AT&T vs. Verizon, BMW vs. Mercedes, etc. It's all relative/based on psychological tendencies. What people do to please themselves (Nothing of the sexual nature, I assure you) vs. what people actually need typically have nothing to do with each other.
I want an iPhone? I'll go buy the iPhone. I won't quibble over a couple hundred bucks. I mean, if you're struggling to scrounge a few hundred bucks together for a telephone, then perhaps you shouldn't even be considering one in the first place?
I want to utilize all the functions and services of the iPhone? I'll sign up for the right plan and pay for it through whatever service provider has the exclusive contract. No big deal for me. It's like most people that go out and buy a Ferrari understand that $180,000 is just the tip of the ice burg. They factor in car insurance, upkeep, gas, detailing, etc. It is what it is, right? If you want it and have the means, then just buy a damn iPhone and pay for the service! If you can't afford it or think you'll struggle with paying for it... Well, it's a simple concept, really.
But, of course, there will always be complaining and suffering. lol. I've noticed people find it easier to complain about something rather than doing what it takes to make their self inflicted negative situation a less emotionally and financially stressful one.
I'd like to imagine that I'm not the only one that couldn't care less about the issues of unlocking the iPhone. I'd imagine if this phone was not locked into an exclusive AT&T contract or whatever service provider that has the exclusive iPhone contract in your country was available to any network I think plenty of people would still find something to complain about.
I'm satisfied with AT&T and I do not mind the prices. Arguing about which service provider is better is like arguing about PC vs. Mac, Canon vs. Nikon, Pepsi vs. Coke, AT&T vs. Verizon, BMW vs. Mercedes, etc. It's all relative/based on psychological tendencies. What people do to please themselves (Nothing of the sexual nature, I assure you) vs. what people actually need typically have nothing to do with each other.
I want an iPhone? I'll go buy the iPhone. I won't quibble over a couple hundred bucks. I mean, if you're struggling to scrounge a few hundred bucks together for a telephone, then perhaps you shouldn't even be considering one in the first place?
I want to utilize all the functions and services of the iPhone? I'll sign up for the right plan and pay for it through whatever service provider has the exclusive contract. No big deal for me. It's like most people that go out and buy a Ferrari understand that $180,000 is just the tip of the ice burg. They factor in car insurance, upkeep, gas, detailing, etc. It is what it is, right? If you want it and have the means, then just buy a damn iPhone and pay for the service! If you can't afford it or think you'll struggle with paying for it... Well, it's a simple concept, really.
But, of course, there will always be complaining and suffering. lol. I've noticed people find it easier to complain about something rather than doing what it takes to make their self inflicted negative situation a less emotionally and financially stressful one.
Locking policy is shortsighted
I don't much mind which network Apple force me to use, but I do object to not being able to change SIMs when I go abroad. I have two cellular contracts in two different European countries; I spend extended periods in both locations. Roaming, especially for data, is not a realistic option because of the ridiculously high costs. So now, I suppose, I will have to have two iPhones and this can lead to synchronisation issues and extra cost for applications, not to mention the inconvenience of carrying two units.
I don't much mind which network Apple force me to use, but I do object to not being able to change SIMs when I go abroad. I have two cellular contracts in two different European countries; I spend extended periods in both locations. Roaming, especially for data, is not a realistic option because of the ridiculously high costs. So now, I suppose, I will have to have two iPhones and this can lead to synchronisation issues and extra cost for applications, not to mention the inconvenience of carrying two units.
Fair enough. But that in context, we compared it to an unlocked, sim free phone, that feature wise could be compared (if we were friendly-minded towards the iPhone). That is why it could be compared.
The point is still, and it remains, when you can get an older phone with better features (i.e. hardware) unlocked and simfree, and the iphone which doesn't have those features has to be bought subsidized (at least people claim it's subsidized), and pay what amounts to even more than the older one, AND it makes you tie-in for a full 24 months under threats of "penalizing", I frankly find it too expensive. Early adopter? My butt! Seriously, there's nothing new in this phone.
The touch screen-UI fascinationsoons wears off, and then all that is left is real features and hardware. And in that context it's still not up to scratch. No, what's so fascinating about the iPhone is actually the marketing, and how people fall for whatever is put out there, and how consumers will eat anything after it has been up their own rectum.
Oh, haha. With that argument, a Yugo and a Bentley compares fine too. They both have their good points and bad points. Or hell: Camping without a sleeping bag, and sleeping in five star hotel while being pampered by your choice of "personal service" compares well. However, I do think one can compare features on a much better foundation
It's relevant because any product out there has to compete with what's already on the market. And unless you don't want to, because you find that anything new is worth paying for, simply because it's new, you too would have a problem with him attempting to mislead like that. No matter if you believe his attempts or not.
Really? You don't think that that attempt at misleading will catch someone? It certainly seems to work. Every article I've read are stating it's "much cheaper" or something in that order. That shows how great it is when guys like you defend when companies mislead their potential customers.
people have money dont care for unlocked iphone or att contracts, but those who dont do its simple as that.
I'd like to imagine that I'm not the only one that couldn't care less about the issues of unlocking the iPhone. I'd imagine if this phone was not locked into an exclusive AT&T contract or whatever service provider that has the exclusive iPhone contract in your country was available to any network I think plenty of people would still find something to complain about.
I'm satisfied with AT&T and I do not mind the prices. Arguing about which service provider is better is like arguing about PC vs. Mac, Canon vs. Nikon, Pepsi vs. Coke, AT&T vs. Verizon, BMW vs. Mercedes, etc. It's all relative/based on psychological tendencies. What people do to please themselves (Nothing of the sexual nature, I assure you) vs. what people actually need typically have nothing to do with each other.
I want an iPhone? I'll go buy the iPhone. I won't quibble over a couple hundred bucks. I mean, if you're struggling to scrounge a few hundred bucks together for a telephone, then perhaps you shouldn't even be considering one in the first place?
I want to utilize all the functions and services of the iPhone? I'll sign up for the right plan and pay for it through whatever service provider has the exclusive contract. No big deal for me. It's like most people that go out and buy a Ferrari understand that $180,000 is just the tip of the ice burg. They factor in car insurance, upkeep, gas, detailing, etc. It is what it is, right? If you want it and have the means, then just buy a damn iPhone and pay for the service! If you can't afford it or think you'll struggle with paying for it... Well, it's a simple concept, really.
But, of course, there will always be complaining and suffering. lol. I've noticed people find it easier to complain about something rather than doing what it takes to make their self inflicted negative situation a less emotionally and financially stressful one.
Um, you've never been on this site before have you?
If it wasn't for the bitching, complaining and whining, there wouldn't be any comments to the articles
Oh I see, Tosser. You're basically whining because you personally don't like the new iPhone's feature set and think it's overpriced.
Ok then.
Ok then.
Um, you've never been on this site before have you?
If it wasn't for the bitching, complaining and whining, there wouldn't be any comments to the articles
LOL, nope. That's about 80 percent of the fun. It IS a forum after all. Man, I'd hate to be on a forum with people who knit
no, it really isn't (fixed your missing ' too by the way).
I have money. I am not on O2. I want the iPhone unlocked, on the carrier I choose. In the UK you can practically get any phone on any carrier. Being tied to one carrier is just not good business in the UK... I have 12 months left on my contract and the cancellation would be over $700 - not worth it.
Making the iPhone more affordable is marketing talk. It's not.
Um, you've never been on this site before have you?
If it wasn't for the bitching, complaining and whining, there wouldn't be any comments to the articles
I have a few posts under my belt. x) I'm more of an observer, really.
Haha... I honestly do not mind all the bitching, complaining and whining. I actually find it quite entertaining and I always learn something new about many different types of human/emotional conditions.
Hey! If I don't appreciate something and I'm in the mood to voice my opinion... I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm prepared for all ramifications.
Oh I see, Tosser. You're basically whining because you personally don't like the new iPhone's feature set and think it's overpriced.
Ok then.
No. I'm bitching because I cannot fathom how some people will take it up their rear lieing down, while shouting "Oh, please, twirl it, master", whenever Apple releases a product. It's as if some people have no mind of their own.
reminds me of those people in the UK, what are they called now? Chavs?