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I know you're joking but I'm still going to fix this for you to illustrate how unneeded carrier branding on the hardware is.

Also, such an exchange would never happen, it would go like this:
A: "Aw, I have no reception here!"
B: "Yup, that's AT&T for you."

1) The bit of carrier branding in the top corner of the screen is absolutely puny. Have you seen the size of carrier logos imprinted on devices? HUUUUUUGE. Like "I can see it from a mile way" huge.
2) Believe it or not (and I'm seriously not joking about this one), there are places where Verizon's coverage is significantly worse than AT&T (there are, hilariously, odd patches in the SFBA where this is the case)

Guffaw! How 'bout a source for that?

Companies of this size, especially ones that provide what's considered a "necessary utility" (not the same as a real utility like electric/gas/water) don't just close up shop like that.

If AT&T is not allowed to buy T-Mobile, and if TMo is absolutely unable to continue business on it's own afterwards, then what will happen is a group of investors will swoop in and buy them up. Service will continue uninterrupted in such an event for end users. This has happened many times before with smaller cable television companies (the ones that overbuild and compete with the big name incumbents). When they go down they either enter bankruptcy protection and sort out their mess, or some other small company adds them to their roster, in either case, nobody has to rush to find a new provider or be left with no signal.

Also, in the event that a company like this does decide to really close up shop they legally must notify customers in advance before closing down, and when I say in advance, I mean months in advance.

So why don't you quit spreading your FUD, you're just trying to rile up all the T-Mobile subscribers into thinking they're going to lose their phone service if this merger isn't approved.

I highly doubt service will continue uninterrupted in the case of T-Mobile. T-Mobile has the assets to get by for now. Unless they intend to dismantle their GSM network and repurpose that for LTE (which isn't going to happen as easily and as soon as necessary), T-Mobile will be absolutely uncompetitive in 5-10 years or so. They have no future expansion roadmap as they have neither the resources nor the finances. What kind of investor would want to invest in a sinking ship?
 
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Guffaw! How 'bout a source for that?

Companies of this size, especially ones that provide what's considered a "necessary utility" (not the same as a real utility like electric/gas/water) don't just close up shop like that.

If AT&T is not allowed to buy T-Mobile, and if TMo is absolutely unable to continue business on it's own afterwards, then what will happen is a group of investors will swoop in and buy them up. Service will continue uninterrupted in such an event for end users. This has happened many times before with smaller cable television companies (the ones that overbuild and compete with the big name incumbents). When they go down they either enter bankruptcy protection and sort out their mess, or some other small company adds them to their roster, in either case, nobody has to rush to find a new provider or be left with no signal.

Also, in the event that a company like this does decide to really close up shop they legally must notify customers in advance before closing down, and when I say in advance, I mean months in advance.

So why don't you quit spreading your FUD, you're just trying to rile up all the T-Mobile subscribers into thinking they're going to lose their phone service if this merger isn't approved.

I can't believe I actually saw someone type in "guffaw", but anyway...

Apparently they're hemorrhaging money. I do remember seeing somewhere that they said they have no interest in competing in the US anymore, but I can't seem to find it. This is the best I can come up with.

http://updatednews.ca/2010/06/19/11-brands-that-will-disappear-in-2011/

Here's another link that speaks to the same end:

http://macdailynews.com/2011/09/02/how-apples-iphone-crippled-t-mobile-usa-a-dying-compnay/

T-Mobile's future seems bleak, so I do hope somebody buys them out before they go under.

EDIT: I just noticed. Your post sounds a bit hostile. Oh well. :D
EDIT2: It is interesting you seem to have such in depth knowledge of what my true intentions were. You're not right or anything, but it does prove you have quite an imagination. :)
 
Blatant bias and bad blood

Wonder if this clone Cicconi ran in the same crowd as Joe Naccio when he was at MA Bell. OR, he just used his rule book for making up quotable lies when talking to the press?

You always get a slime or two like Cicconi on a deal this size... Walk away with a few million for a new boat and move on down the road... Slime to the end.
 
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butterfly0fdoom said:
Appearantly Hesse is clueless about the differences of GSM and CDMA networks.

It's okay. His predecessor was apparently clueless about the differences between CDMA and iDEN networks.

Any way you slice the AT&T+TMobile merger is bad for consumers. It creates a US monopoly in the national GSM space and wipes out a strong value player.

A T-Mobile collapse would have the same effect.

Yeah I don't know who people think if the government squashes this Tmobile will keep on keeping on. There is a reason dt wants to sell it. It is a resource and asset intensive business that is only smally profitable and has almost no synergy with their other businesses.

There is no requirement that they keep running the business. They could shut it down and sell the assets.

The least likely scenario is that Tmobile continues independently in the us for the long term.

Since I think sprint is a horrible phone company and company I don't see them getting Tmobile as being good. It is worse than att. Now if Tmobile could spin off and buy sprint that would be great but it can not happen
 
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i-John said:
I take a different view on whether the merger is good or bad for customers.

I think it's good. Added spectrum on the AT&T Network helps coverage and data speeds. They are still investing heavily in backhaul.

Having 4 (2 with decent coverage, 2 without) isn't really good for customers.

Customer choice isn't always about price. People want it all without paying for it.

I've used Sprint and t-Mobile and speed and coverage were horrible. I'd rather the added coverage and speed when I need it rather than a cheap alternative.

Price gouging and price-fixing can be regulated. It's like illegal immigration, there are plenty of laws covering it, they just need to enforce them.

I agree. For most consumers now there are only two legitimate choices so the loss of one or both non factor choices would have little to no impact on most consumers.

Neither sprint or Tmobile is a legitimate option for my business and seem unlikely to be anytime in my future. With me currently using att over Verizon the att takeover of Tmobile would benefit me not hurt me.

Att wireless does not make any consumer impactful decisions based on what Tmobile does.
 
Any way you slice the AT&T+TMobile merger is bad for consumers. It creates a US monopoly in the national GSM space and wipes out a strong value player.

Any way you slice it, the AT&T+TMobile merger is bad for consumers.

Appearantly Hesse is clueless about the differences of GSM and CDMA networks.

His comments had nothing to do with the GSM/CDMA differences. It was all about the DOJ being more likely to approve a merger between two smaller (the two smallest) companies.

wait, so you want more of a monopoly in the carrier industry? are you serious? do you want to get screwed over with higher payments?

look, this whole merger deal isn't to make things easier for the consumer, its about corporate profits, and less options for the consumer. the sooner people realize this, the more folks will be wary of this merger.

thats just like saying: 'man, i just want android and iOS to dominate the mobile space. Windows Phone 7/Mango, WebOS, RIM, and the rest should go to hell.'

The DOJ might have a problem with the decrease in/lack of competition with a merger between AT&T and TMO.
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would have good reasons to instead allow Sprint to purchase them.

Don't people know how to speak correct english anymore?
"to instead"?
 
For most consumers now there are only two legitimate choices so the loss of one or both non factor choices would have little to no impact on most consumers.

That's not true because many plan prices are set nationwide. Losing one player will allow the others to raise their prices and hurt even the consumer who only had a single choice based on their location.
 
This is all crap, I think if Sprint wants to buy them...then pony up, lets see you come up with the cash....if they can't buy them then, oh well, AT&T will. I don't see this as a monopoly mores than I see it as a much better customer experience. Sprint chose the CDMA route, let them stay with it, its 2 different businesses. This is just a case of Sprint crying like a baby to save face in case there is a mass exodus to AT&T.
 
It seems plain as day to anyone not employed by AT&T that the merger of Sprint and T-Mobile is vastly different than a merger between T-Mobile and AT&T.

The former would create a viable third competitor in the US mobile market that is much closer in size to the other two.

The latter creates an even larger lead for AT&T, putting Sprint much further behind than they already are. That, by definition, is anti-competitive. Especially when the two big companies left were former Ma-Bell (AT&T before the split.)

AT&T has no chance of winning this appeal, really. The fact that they don't like Sprint's overtures to purchase or merge with T-Mobile doesn't matter. In fact, implying that their objection is NOT based on anti-competitive practices is also pretty baseless. It's self evident, really.
 
It seems plain as day to anyone not employed by AT&T that the merger of Sprint and T-Mobile is vastly different than a merger between T-Mobile and AT&T.

The former would create a viable third competitor in the US mobile market that is much closer in size to the other two.

The latter creates an even larger lead for AT&T, putting Sprint much further behind than they already are. That, by definition, is anti-competitive. Especially when the two big companies left were former Ma-Bell (AT&T before the split.)

AT&T has no chance of winning this appeal, really. The fact that they don't like Sprint's overtures to purchase or merge with T-Mobile doesn't matter. In fact, implying that their objection is NOT based on anti-competitive practices is also pretty baseless. It's self evident, really.

A Sprint/T-Mobile merger is a horrible idea.
- Sprint's market position is weak, and their acquisition of Nextel played a major role in their decline. They now run two parallel, incompatible networks. They may have been the first to the "4G" game, but even T-Mobile's faux-G runs at higher speeds and is far more widely deployed. Now they're depending on Clear and LightSquared, a company trying to figure itself out and a company facing significant technical hurdles, for LTE. Sprint's revenue has been declining and, although their subscriber numbers are up, their contract customer base has declined severely. Their future roadmap has too much uncertainty to it and they've made far too many mistakes in the past to be able to risk another one.
- T-Mobile's market position is even weaker. Despite being the "value" player out of the major networks with an often lauded portfolio of devices, their coverage is sub-par and they lack both the spectrum and the finances to keep up with even regional carriers. Their revenue and customer base have been in constant and consistent decline for a while, and their own parent company has withdrew funding. They can't last much longer, even with the cash and assets they would receive if the AT&T/T-Mobile merger gets blocked.

Now, the idea of the two weakest carriers joining up makes sense, right? Not really. Operational costs aren't going to shrink since Sprint would likely continue operating T-Mobile's GSM/HSPA network (based on past precedence since Nextel's iDEN network is still alive and based on necessity as they can't force people to switch to CDMA phones otherwise T-Mobile and AT&T would've gotten rid of TDMA customers much earlier than they did). In addition, Sprint currently operates 4 brands (Sprint, Nextel, Boost, and Virgin Mobile). Adding a fifth brand furthers the notion that operational costs aren't going to shrink; Sprint will just become much more bloated from running 5 brands and operating 5 networks (6 is LightSquared and Clear ever get their stuff sorted out).

Such an acquisition won't help either company's declining customer bases, either. If anything, the mess that will result of such an acquisition could wind up driving customers away. Such an acquisition won't help either company's declining revenues, either.
 
Now, the idea of the two weakest carriers joining up makes sense, right? Not really. Operational costs aren't going to shrink since Sprint would likely continue operating T-Mobile's GSM/HSPA network (based on past precedence since Nextel's iDEN network is still alive and based on necessity as they can't force people to switch to CDMA phones otherwise T-Mobile and AT&T would've gotten rid of TDMA customers much earlier than they did). In addition, Sprint currently operates 4 brands (Sprint, Nextel, Boost, and Virgin Mobile). Adding a fifth brand furthers the notion that operational costs aren't going to shrink; Sprint will just become much more bloated from running 5 brands and operating 5 networks (6 is LightSquared and Clear ever get their stuff sorted out).

I am just going to point out that TDMA is EDGE and GPRS is based on.

GSM uses the TDMA standard. HSPA is a WCDMA signal. EDGE and GPRS is a TDMA signal.
 
Don't people know how to speak correct english anymore?
"to instead"?

Phrasing it "speak English correctly" would be more correct. Or, "speak accurate English", if you must attempt to modify the noun, but that is a unnecessary complication of sentence structure.

Well, really, it would be "type" in this forum, and note the capitalization of English, as you apparently meant it as a proper noun.
 
I am just going to point out that TDMA is EDGE and GPRS is based on.

GSM uses the TDMA standard. HSPA is a WCDMA signal. EDGE and GPRS is a TDMA signal.

Oh, I know about that. To further this explanation, WCDMA is a wide-band CDMA signal.

In addition, the network that was widely referred to as "TDMA" was D-AMPS. Despite D-AMPS and GSM both being TDMA technologies, they weren't compatible with each other.
 
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