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Most consumer electronics are way two low value of an item for the type of payment structure. You are talking about. Car are tens of thousands of dollars while an iPhone is less than most car options.



What you want next, shopping around for equity sales options on your iPhone as you would a mortgage?


They're already implementing this stupid structure. If they are going to eventually force us to use this instead of 2 year contracts, they should let me pay off my phone however I want. If I want to put $300 down and pay the rest off monthly, or if I want to put $0 down and pay it off, it shouldn't matter.
 
The "next plan" is a joke. Anyone with elementary mathematics skill would find out after the 30-month period, it costs as much as if you purchase the phone directly off contract. Plus if you purchase the phone off contract, 1. you can get cash-back from major credit card companies so it is actually cheaper; 2. it is off contract which means you can switch to different wireless providers whenever you want, particularly useful if you travel a lot across continents.

This!! I priced out doing the 15GB (would be 30GB with the current double-your-data promotion) mobile share plan both with AT&T next and without it, which would be committing to a 2-year contract. They are essentially the same price either way. Not to mention if I switched to this plan my bill would go up $60 from what it is now. The only time you actually save money is if you pay off the phone and decide not to upgrade.

Remember - phone companies are in the business to make money. So the AT&T commercials advertising their "best-ever pricing" is BS... at least for me and my family (4 total lines).
 
They're already implementing this stupid structure. If they are going to eventually force us to use this instead of 2 year contracts, they should let me pay off my phone however I want. If I want to put $300 down and pay the rest off monthly, or if I want to put $0 down and pay it off, it shouldn't matter.

You. Can.

It just won't retroactively lower your monthly payment. You will just have to make less monthly payments.
 
You. Can.



It just won't retroactively lower your monthly payment. You will just have to make less monthly payments.


If it doesn't lower your payments then it's pointless.

Like I've said, the program needs more work before it's ready to be the only option.
 
That is the point...you pay for the phone over time. And it is part of your cell phone bill so you get the same cash back from your credit card, just spread over 30 months. The difference is that you keep the cash in the meantime. Given you can pay the whole thing off at any point and they give you a discount on your plan if you use Next...there really isn't a downside.

Some cash-back might be seasonal. For Discover, the 10% cash-back is only for Oct-Dec 2014 (5% for any online shopping + additional 5% from Apple official website).
 
If it doesn't lower your payments then it's pointless.

Like I've said, the program needs more work before it's ready to be the only option.

Well of course it does. It's currently not the only option, and I'm sure we'll see more changes over the years.

It isn't pointless if you're planning on paying for your phone in full but just can't afford it yet. I do the same thing on T-Mobile, and if I have extra money here and there, I put it towards my phone. I do this because I plan on owning the phone myself, but being able to resell it or keep as a backup if I get a new iPhone.

There's a difference between pointless and not suitable for you. It's possible to think about real-life applications of things without necessarily applying it to your own personal livelihood. Sort of like math class!
 
Your saving $75.00, which is great if you pay off in 3 weeks, but if you end up carrying over a balance I'm sure you start losing that $75.00 back in a short time frame.

I earn a decent income and never carry any balance. I use credit cards mainly for the security reason, and its cashback from time to time to save some money. Credit cards are not for loaning money. If you know you could not avoid carrying balance, then do not spend the $750 on a smart phone at first place.
 
I earn a decent income and never carry any balance. I use credit cards mainly for the security reason, and its cashback from time to time to save some money. Credit cards are not for loaning money. If you know you could not avoid carrying balance, then do not spend the $750 on a smart phone at first place.

... or use programs like Next to set up interest-free financing.

Dude, you're still thinking solely based on your own needs, rather than considering the different scenarios other people might be in. Yes, I agree it is very responsible to buy only what you can pay for. But what programs like Next do is provide an option for those who can't immediately afford $750 because they don't have a decent income, by letting them pay for the whole phone over long term - as well as giving a leasing alternative in case they want to upgrade.

But that doesn't matter, of course, because you apparently believe those with lesser income don't deserve smartphones.
 
They tried hard to get me to move from my current unlimited data plan to a Next 18 plan. It was tempting but 1gb of data was a deal breaker. This Next 24 would be tempting also but 1gb of data is still a deal breaker.
 
... or use programs like Next to set up interest-free financing.

Dude, you're still thinking solely based on your own needs, rather than considering the different scenarios other people might be in. Yes, I agree it is very responsible to buy only what you can pay for. But what programs like Next do is provide an option for those who can't immediately afford $750 because they don't have a decent income, by letting them pay for the whole phone over long term - as well as giving a leasing alternative in case they want to upgrade.

But that doesn't matter, of course, because you apparently believe those with lesser income don't deserve smartphones.

My original statement is to point out that what AT&T is advertising as if you can save money by using the Next plan is incorrect. I gave an example merely to show why purchasing the phone just off contract could be cheaper than the Next plan (not to mention the advantage of being able to switch providers at any time). I am not saying such approach is suitable/necessary for everyone. Just don't expect you can save more money by using the Next plan (which is how AT&T advertises on their website).
 
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I would jump on this if I could put money down on the device. I want to pay $300 down and then pay monthly installments until it's paid off.

Why this isn't possible is stupid. I want to pay up front. Not pay 6 months of payments later when I want to sell my phone after 24 months.

Let the customer determine when they want to be done with payments. It shouldn't be any different than a Car loan. I want to pay whatever I want, whenever I want. Just tell me when I need to be done by.

Next has a few more kinks to work out before they can fully ditch two year contracts.

You can make payments anytime toward the phone balance at any ATT store. Why dont you just get the device and then make a 300 dollar payment??? I know this is possible because I had to pay off 2 payments worth prior to getting my 6 Plus on launch day.
 
But you can't put money down and have lower monthly payments. If you were able to put money down you could just create your own makeshift two year contract. Just put enough money down so that your monthly payments are like 20 bucks a month.

They're already implementing this stupid structure. If they are going to eventually force us to use this instead of 2 year contracts, they should let me pay off my phone however I want. If I want to put $300 down and pay the rest off monthly, or if I want to put $0 down and pay it off, it shouldn't matter.

ATT is offering an interest free loan at their terms. If you are disciplined you are free make your own payment schedule.


A $750 phone is going to be $25 a month for 30 months. ($750 divided by 30). Don't put the $300 down but draw off of it to decrease your monthly payments to what you want. You want $20 for 24 months? At the end of 24 months you would have drawn $120 out of your $300 ($5 X 24) and have a balance due on the phone of $150 ($25 X 24). You balance remaining of your original $300 is $180 ($300 - $120) Which you use to pay off the phone.
 
You can make payments anytime toward the phone balance at any ATT store. Why dont you just get the device and then make a 300 dollar payment??? I know this is possible because I had to pay off 2 payments worth prior to getting my 6 Plus on launch day.


Because it doesn't adjust your monthly payments. I'd like to have my monthly payment adjusted if I make a down payment.
 
AT&T Announces 'Next 24' Payment Plan, Allowing 30 Months to Pay Off Devices

ATT is offering an interest free loan at their terms. If you are disciplined you free make your own payment schedule.





A $750 phone is going to be $25 a month for 30 months. ($750 divided by 30). Don't put the $300 down but draw off of it to decrease your monthly payments to what you want. You want $20 for 24 months? At the end of 24 months you would have drawn $120 out of your $300 ($5 X 24) and have a balance due on the phone of $150 ($25 X 24). You balance remaining of your original $300 is $180 ($300 - $120) Which you use to pay off the phone.


I've actually considered this. The budgeting software I use would make this really easy.

However, I simply don't understand why AT&T doesn't natively support this. There isn't any excuse.
 
Because it doesn't adjust your monthly payments. I'd like to have my monthly payment adjusted if I make a down payment.

I highly doubt AT&T is going to do that, based on the amount of customers that they have. Much easier for them to simply calculate what you have left to pay, based on the overall price left, which is the same for everyone, based on the overall price of the phone and the length of time you choose to pay.
 
Because it doesn't adjust your monthly payments. I'd like to have my monthly payment adjusted if I make a down payment.

So you'd like to continue making the exact same amount of monthly payments, but just pay less? It's $20-$25 a month, as somebody else said. Pay it off sooner.

The reason you normally see adjustment on payments of OTHER items is because there is interest. If you pay more, there should be less interest you're paying moving forward. There is no interest on Next, so you pay what you agreed to pay, and if you want to pay more, you can pay more and get it over with sooner.

I'd also like a lot of things that involve reality distorting itself around my every whim, but that doesn't mean it needs to happen.
 
Has anyone upgraded on this program after the first round (after 12 months) ? I assume they will roll the unpaid balance of phone #1 (the final 6 months of the 18 month payment period) onto the cost of the second phone purchased.

Seems like year #2 the amortized cost would start growing. If you do this again year 3 then it will get even higher.

If AT&T is not rolling the unpaid balance into the next year then that means consumes are getting the phones doe 33% off. Or maybe you have to pay off the balance at the time of upgrade??

Anyone know?

Not true if you decide to upgrade you would turn in the phone and that pays off what you owe left and then you start new with the new phone.
 
I've actually considered this. The budgeting software I use would make this really easy.

However, I simply don't understand why AT&T doesn't natively support this. There isn't any excuse.

But why would they since it's so easy for you to do it. We are talking $5 a month here. What if I want to save $1 or even just a penny a month? Why ask them to accommodate that?
 
But why would they since it's so easy for you to do it. We are talking $5 a month here. What if I want to save $1 or even just a penny a month? Why ask them to accommodate that?


If you put $300 down that's $12.50 a month over 24 months.

With 4 phones that's $50 a month.
 
ahhhhh ok...yeah its kind of silly that it wouldnt make that adjustment

No, it really isn't. You're not paying interest. You're agreeing to payment terms defined by whether it's Next 18 or 24 or whatever, and you're free to get out of those terms as soon as you'd like by paying in full.

As you are not being charged interest, there is no need for an automatic adjustment. You want to put $300 down and make smaller payments over the remainder of the term? Why? So it's more affordable every month? We're talking about paying part of the cost up front, so clearly this scenario has a bit more disposable income than what I'd expect from somebody who can't afford a few extra dollars a month.

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If you put $300 down that's $12.50 a month over 24 months.

With 4 phones that's $50 a month.

Well there's your problem: You're paying for four phones a month by yourself. If you can afford putting $300 down on four phones each, I have a feeling that $50 a month won't set you back that far.
 
I highly doubt AT&T is going to do that, based on the amount of customers that they have. Much easier for them to simply calculate what you have left to pay, based on the overall price left, which is the same for everyone, based on the overall price of the phone and the length of time you choose to pay.

This is a great point and I'm honestly ashamed I didn't think of it already.

Carriers may provide alternatives to contracts now, but they still want you as a customer. They're providing us flexibility, but not to the point where it would potentially detract from their customer base. They're selling a service. Phones are just an extra source of revenue to the carriers, and are nowadays just a means of keeping current with the competition. And yes, sadly, that means keeping some customers who aren't pleased with their service around for a bit longer.

Even T-Mobile doesn't adjust the monthly installment if I pay more up front.
 
If you put $300 down that's $12.50 a month over 24 months.

With 4 phones that's $50 a month.

Or, if you put down $300, that takes off x amount of months that you have to pay on it. They are already doing the math for you. You just want them to do it differently then they already are.
If you want to put $300 down at the start, why not simply pay the subsidized price on a 2 year contract? Then, your monthly cost will be $25 extra per line? (Next/off contract $15/month - 2 year contract $40/month)
 
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