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How much do you want to bet that even with these massive bandwidth upgrades, AT&T will still charge a fortune extra for tethering on the iPhone and put annoyingly low caps on how much mobile data you can use on their data card plans?

I swear; they could upgrade their wireless network to a gigabit and they'd still slap 5GB caps on you and say you can't do this or that.

Telcos suck. (all of them, not just AT&T. Sprint and Verizon do this too...)

$30/mo and 5GB cap is latest I've heard. Expensive, but 5GB is a lot.
 
I really don't care about faster download speeds. For complex, resource intensive websites, Safari crashes anyways. Faster download speeds won't help with this. And after all, it's just a mobile phone, not something I really rely on to be fast. As for more towers, that's cool. We always need better reliability.

Broken code has a way of creating core dumps.
 
How much do you want to bet that even with these massive bandwidth upgrades, AT&T will still charge a fortune extra for tethering on the iPhone and put annoyingly low caps on how much mobile data you can use on their data card plans?

I swear; they could upgrade their wireless network to a gigabit and they'd still slap 5GB caps on you and say you can't do this or that.

Telcos suck. (all of them, not just AT&T. Sprint and Verizon do this too...)

So if you are a telco and spend massive amounts of money building out your network and stuff, how do you expect to pay for it? It doesn't come free. Someone has to pay.
 
What about areas that are not currently 3G, is AT&T going to expand access to these areas? Is AT&T going to charge a higher data rate on the iPhone 3Gen because you may sometime in the future possible be in an area where 3G+ is?

If AT&T is not expanding 3G to all areas of AT&T network coverage and jacks the data rates up for iPhone 3Gen, someone needs to file a class action against AT&T for fraud.
 
Does anyone know if the towers and frequency band being used for the new data deployments are on the old analog TV frequency band?

With Obama pushing out the andlog to digital TV conversion this could explain the delay in Sprint. Verizon and ATT in deploying this

Why do you say Obama is pushing the digital TV conversion?
 
It's funny how the only thing I really want out of AT&T and a new iPHONE is a better working phone. I am in Chicago and the dropped calls are absurd. Everything else about the iPhone is awesome but the phone really sucks. I would say that my drop rate of calls that last more than 15 minutes is about 15-20%

Maybe another $199, 2 year subscription and a new AT&T network will make the iPhone finally be able to hold my calls. I won't hold my breath though.
 
This is good news about them increasing network speed, but I'd prefer them to increase the coverage of their current 3G network before they worry about making the current one faster. I have an iPhone and fortunately live in and attend college in a 3G service area, but all it takes is driving five minutes away from either to lose coverage and then get throttled to terrible EDGE speeds. Verizon has EVDO coverage almost anywhere they have service, period. Or at least this was my experience with Verizon. In my state only four cities have 3G with AT&T, and all these have been established within the past year. I'd gladly switch back to Verizon for consistent 3G coverage, even if it is a bit slower. Unless AT&T gets their act together I'll definitely be heading over to Verizon once they get the iPhone when they have LTE deployed.
 
I agree, "substantially" was overstating it. However, trust me, population density is the lamest of lame excuses. Cell service is way, way better in rural Bulgaria then it is in New York City, where I live. Take an iPhone or other GSM phone, travel around Europe, and then spend a few days in NYC. It is all about the US being behind Europe in almost every category of infrastructure, be it cell service or high speed rail.

Coming from Australia, I've visited the US a few times over the last 10 years and I have to say it's improved substantially, though coming from a remarkably poor baseline.

2000: My 2G GSM phone doesn't work at all here, although I'm happily roaming worldwide in Europe, Bangkok, Singapore, etc. Instead, there's something I've never heard of called TDMA here. Meanwhile, my US Mac friends all have pagers, and think a mobile is a bit fancy ... WTF??

2002: My new tri-band 2G GSM phone now has a new mode that I can manually select to make it work in the USA. Huzzah! But nobody over here has ever heard of SMS yet. FFS??

2004: My quad-band 2.5G phone now automatically roams in the USA. W00t! In the US they still found this exciting, because I saw all the ads listing some with a feature, "worldphone" :)

2006: Australia has had a 3G network for three years but coverage was crap until now. I buy my first 3G phone, and lo-and-behold it actually comes with 3.5G and the networks already gave me HSDPA for free. As a result, I got addicted to Opera Mini browsing and mobile TV. Which is why I was a bit "meh" when iPhone first came out. They still don't have RTSP on iPhone 3G, so no mobile TV.

2008: I get another 3.5G phone, and I'm impressed to see rollouts of HSDPA and LTE actually coming to the USA. Australia still has huge swathes of towns and areas with no 3G (though this represents only 10% in population terms), except for the ex-monopoly carrier who has a clearly superior but costly 700MHz network that gives 98% population and excellent in-building coverage but requires special phones as a result.


Ironically, all my phones in this time were from Motorola. So it's not like the USA doesn't know what it's doing wrong sometimes ;-)

CK.
 
It's funny how the only thing I really want out of AT&T and a new iPHONE is a better working phone. I am in Chicago and the dropped calls are absurd. Everything else about the iPhone is awesome but the phone really sucks. I would say that my drop rate of calls that last more than 15 minutes is about 15-20%

Maybe another $199, 2 year subscription and a new AT&T network will make the iPhone finally be able to hold my calls. I won't hold my breath though.

Have you updated your phone to the latest firmware? If you're still on the original release of 2.0, it'd be no surprise that this is happening.
 
O2 comparison download sppeds

Does anyone have any data as to what speeds one can expect to obtain using the O2 mobile network in the UK, compared to this new 7.2 Mbps service being touted by AT&T?

Many thanks
 
This may be completely off topic but would there be any plans to incorporate the T-Mobile 3G frequency? I'm running an unlocked G1 on ATT and "stuck" with EDGE. No biggie since I am on Wifi most of the time but 3G speeds would be yummy. :rolleyes:
 
How about deploying better coverage and better rates...:D

I can see it now: the execs are all gathered around the 12' ancient wood table. One of them, hardly able to contain his giggling, says "Well, how about deploying better coverage and lowering the rates...". He can't even finish as they all laugh and slap the table. "Ok, ok, let's move on" the stern chairman says, himself laughing authoritatively.
 
With regard to the US vs Europe / EU thing, its not simply a matter of population and area - there are other factors that balance things out.

There is a lot more competition in Europe, we have 5 mobile companies in the UK each of which have their own national networks and a number of other providers that use their networks. Which kind of levels out the population density thing.

There are also a lot of poorer, less developed countries within Europe - its not like everyone / everywhere has the same resources as there is in the USA, UK, Germany, France etc. Yet the network coverage isn't necessarily that bad in those countries.

Though its also worth pointing out we get bad network coverage in the UK. My sofa is a black spot, as is my local pub - hit and miss as to whether you actually get a connection of any kind.
 
This is Great!

however.....(and I don't know if this applies to the iPhone data plan)

They just increased the speed to reach your 5GB data threashold for the month.. how nice ;)
 
It comes down to areas but here in st louis I would say coverage and speed is pretty decent. Only time I have issues is at the cardinals game at busch stadium. My iphone refuses to do any data during the game lol


Speed at my house outside of the city limits (in st louis county)
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I have spent substantial amounts of time in Atlanta, Chicago, New Orleans, and DC

Coverage is ok at times, terrible in others....I brought back my original 3G phone thinking it was defective but I still have the same connection issues

I get very little if any reception at work in Chicago, Apartment in Atlanta, or other areas in DC/NO....places near the middle of the cities....not outer edges
 
UMTS referred to as old technology? Please.

I find the whole article a bit misguiding as author probably refers to WCDMA being common in Northern America. UMTS just relies on WCDMA.

First commercial UMTS900 network in the world was launched in the end of 2007 by Elisa of Finland. There are not many countries using this standard so far and it's far from being common.
Elisa launched their 3.5G UMTS900 network in one of the largest Estonian counties just last week allowing speeds up to 7.2 Mbps. It's available throughout the county + in its most rural spots.

UMTS Revision 8 is also considered as Pre-4G with the download rates of 100 Mbps and upload rates of 50 Mbps.
 
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