Key words being: "your area"
I've travelled all over the US with my iphone, and I can say that AT&T in fact, blows. Dropped calls all over the place, and 3G/EDGE that constantly fails.
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AT&T Announces Record 3.2 Million iPhones Activated in Quarter
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Key words being: "your area"
I've travelled all over the US with my iphone, and I can say that AT&T in fact, blows. Dropped calls all over the place, and 3G/EDGE that constantly fails.
Anyone notice the math problems here? ATT activates 3.2 million- a RECORD number (whoo hoo!). Yet Apple sells 7.4 million over the same period. So of all iPhones sold, ATT cannot even pull HALF as customers.
Looks like an epic fail to me over at ATT. Maybe the headline should be that even as the exclusive providor, over half the customers have to hack their phones to AVOID ATT....
Looks like an epic fail to me over at ATT. Maybe the headline should be that even as the exclusive providor, over half the customers have to hack their phones to AVOID ATT....
Not true.
A lot of iPhones are sold in Europe and Canada, so the bulk of those should be legally activated devices.
Have someone check your iPhone. I travel all over too....very few issues....not any more than my previous provider.
Here's the breakdown of the math behind your statement:
$18 billion = what AT&T is spending on network improvements in 2009
If the average iPhone user "makes" AT&T $100/month, then AT&T is spending the equivalent of everything that they'll make from 15 MILLION iPhone users in 2009 .... just for 2009 network improvements.
Do you even know if AT&T has 15 million iPhone users?
There's no denying that AT&T has some serious service issues in some areas. But I don't see how you can try to flip this around that they're sitting there, getting rich off of iPhone users, when it appears that they're spending more in yearly upgrades than the total of what they make from iPhone users?!
No wonder the network is stressed...
....if you do the math, in this past quarter AT&T accounted for 43% of all the iPhones sold. Think about it....one network provider in one country (out of how many providers in 80+ countries that sell the iPhone?) accounts for this much volume.
....if you do the math, in this past quarter AT&T accounted for 43% of all the iPhones sold. Think about it....one network provider in one country (out of how many providers in 80+ countries that sell the iPhone?) accounts for this much volume.
AT&T had a strong quarter --- thanks to Tracfone. AT&T Wireless gained 1.385 million postpaid subscribers, lost 176K prepaid subscribers and gained 817K of MVNO (Tracfone) subscribers. When Verizon Wireless announces its result, they will probably say that they gained 1.3 million postpaid subscribers --- iphone fanbois will say that Verizon is a massive fail, but in reality VZW is at a virtual tie with AT&T Wireless on a full iphone launch quarter.
AT&T's total ARPU ain't going to move a lot upward because 1.28 million new iphone subscribers at $100 each month gets combined with 817K of Tracfone subscribers with $15 ARPU each month.
Yes, AT&T's postpaid churn has reduced to Verizon Wireless' level --- but it is less impressive because AT&T has 20 million fewer postpaid subscribers than Verizon Wireless.
My money is that it's far more likely to be Sprint who's continously losing customers to ATT.
It just goes to show how significant the iPhone was/is to those companies that got exclusive deals.
In the UK, o2 (which got the exclusive deal) became the larges mobile operator in the last 2 years because of the iPhone!
They took the crown from the Vodafone.
If the merger of tmobile & orange is allowed, they will become the largest operator but that will be simply be from two large companies merging, not from growth as in o2's case.
I don't think a lot of people realise sometimes just how big of an impact Apple has made with the iPhone.
Its also probably why Nokia are now going after Apple for patent infringement now, whilst Nokia is a huge company, they are hurting from all this make no mistakes. They are strong and will survive, they have good products coming out all the time to compete with touch screen technology, but I think their survival instincts is telling them, if we can claw something back from Apple, why not!
In the UK, o2 (which got the exclusive deal) became the larges mobile operator in the last 2 years because of the iPhone!
They took the crown from the Vodafone.
If the merger of tmobile & orange is allowed, they will become the largest operator but that will be simply be from two large companies merging, not from growth as in o2's case.
I don't think a lot of people realise sometimes just how big of an impact Apple has made with the iPhone.
Its also probably why Nokia are now going after Apple for patent infringement now, whilst Nokia is a huge company, they are hurting from all this make no mistakes. They are strong and will survive, they have good products coming out all the time to compete with touch screen technology, but I think their survival instincts is telling them, if we can claw something back from Apple, why not!
Are you referring to the Echelon Project that monitors all foreign and domestic traffic of every person going back to the 70's or FISA that monitors traffic between known terrorists?
AT&T is so evil. I guess Google is evil too.
It's the chicken and the egg problem. The carriers that got the iphone exclusive deals are the carriers that were most desperate in the first place (desperate enough to pay a king's ransom for the iphone exclusivity).
I think it's for AT&T letting the NSA setup shop on its backbone, to allegedly illegally wiretap and data-mine.
http://www.eff.org/cases/att
So is this under Echelon, FISA, or neither? If we are talking about the NSA, this has been done under Echelon going back to the 70's.
I mean I guess everyone got all worked up over FISA so the timing makes sense but Echelon is MUCH farther reaching and has been going on MUCH longer.
I'm just trying to understand which one we are demonizing. Or is it just AT&T because they won't give us free stuff?
As I understand it, this was something that the NSA unofficially asked of telecom companies. Many told the NSA to pack sand, but AT&T was one of the companies that went along with it. AFAIK, it's not part of anything "official", like Echelon or FISA.
I'll admit that I'm not familiar with AFAIK because it's really pointless when you have Echelon. Unfortunately, it's not like a double negative canceling each other out though. To complain about AFAIK or FISA is hardly scratching the surface. It's convenient that people either don't know about or completely dismiss Echelon.
But I'm sure that guy wouldn't care too much if he got free tethering, free text, and service through 1,000 foot thick lead walls. I mean Superman definitely can't so why would AT&T work? But if it did for only $30 a month than it's worth it. Right?
No....actually...the key work was "EVERYWHERE" in the post I was replying to. If my area is great then "EVERYWHERE" doesn't apply.
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So...what you're saying is that Verizon would never have benefitted at all had THEY been the ones to make the iPhone deal with Apple?
They spent 19 billion last year and they are supposed to be spending 18 billion this year.
Is that enough? I don't know, but they are reinvesting money in their network.
That explains why Verizon staged that big press release/conference with Google about a Google phone that they WILL bring out.
I handle Cell contract for my work with Verizon. We have quite a few employees on the contract. Some times the employees want iphone so I call into Verizon to set it up. When the rep asks why the switch to ATT, I tell them iphone and the rep goes 'oh no another one?!'
Verizon is losing customers due to iphone. And they are finally noticing it and reacting to it.
I handle Cell contract for my work with Verizon. We have quite a few employees on the contract. Some times the employees want iphone so I call into Verizon to set it up. When the rep asks why the switch to ATT, I tell them iphone and the rep goes 'oh no another one?!'
Verizon is losing customers due to iphone. And they are finally noticing it and reacting to it.