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And obviously you LACK the ability to understand not everyone is going to share your point of view. You can use your backhanded comments at me all you want. But at the end of the day you will still be paying for what you consume :D

By having to use a Jailbreak of course. No one is asking for free data, just freedom to use it as you please.
 
Ok Mr. Jedi... Obviously you lack the ability to comprehend that 2GB still = 2GB no matter how you use it. No one is using "more" because 2GB still = 2GB. Scamming customers by telling them they are only allowed to use that 2GB in a particular way and charging them an extra fee to use it while standing on one leg isn't acceptable.

It's like saying you go to Costco and buy a crate of Apples. But only find it to be 1/2 full. What you find out is that they know that most people won't eat more then 1/2 the crate so why fill it? If you do happen to want more then what is in the box, they will borrow some from your neighbor and give them to you up to the full box amount. BUT you can't eat them when you're hungry because then you may eat too many or too fast, you can only eat them when you're not that hungry. If you want to eat them when hungry, you have to pay more and they will give you a full box to start with (but may borrow some if you don't use them for someone else).

Someone needs to start a service & app that looks up your data plan usage and on the last day downloads all but 100mb worth of "nothing". This way, you get all that you paid for, right?
 
By having to use a Jailbreak of course. No one is asking for free data, just freedom to use it as you please.

You have the freedom to do that. You Can use the 2GB that comes with the data pro package for your iPhone and then you have the freedom to add the 2GB tethering on top of that to use with your iPad or MBP. :)
 
$45/mo, lol. I hope that includes a bottle of lube. I'd jailbreak my phone, go w/o Wi-Fi, or drive to Starbucks w/ Wi-Fi before I'd pay AT&T any more money.
 
You have the freedom to do that. You Can use the 2GB that comes with the data pro package for your iPhone and then you have the freedom to add the 2GB tethering on top of that to use with your iPad or MBP. :)

Yet to have that freedom, you must give up the unlimited option on the iPhone. Why not offer the capped tether option as a separate add-on to the unlimited iOS data plan?
 
Whether you tether or not, should not matter. It should just be how much data you sign-up for. Whether I use 90% of my monthly through my laptop, versus surfing via the phone is transparent to the carrier. Just sell a 250MB, 2 GB, 5GB and an unlimited plan (or similar) let me decide if I tether that data or use it directly on the phone. How does it change what they see in usage of their network?
 
Yet to have that freedom, you must give up the unlimited option on the iPhone. Why not offer the capped tether option as a separate add-on to the unlimited iOS data plan?

Maybe the pricing would be an issue because the unlimited plan is 30 dollars so you added the tethering on to it that would be an extra 20. Which would cost more than the 2GB data pro and the tethering.

And then people would bitch and moan if they capped the tethering plan. I've figured out after being alive for 31 years that some people are never pleased with anything.
 
Two words. RIP-OFF!

I have the $15/month data plan for 250MB on my iPhone 4, I never use half of that data. I was hoping they would add the mobile hotspot functionality in iOS 4.3 which would basically turn your existing data plan and iPhone into a router, a free add-on (this functionality does not cost any extra money for the network)...it uses your Wireless WiFi chip in the iPhone as a router essentially, and works off the same 3G data stream, so Apple could have built this functionality into the iPhone for FREE, and you could use your existing data plan. I would only like to use my iPhone to route Wireless 3G internet to my MacBook Pro (or MBA) on-the-go, maybe a couple times a month, to check a couple websites, post a few messages in discussion boards, and check my e-mail on my laptop. I would not be streaming video, downloading music or apps, or anything that required a massive amount of data. I could do fine with 250MB of data/month...using my existing $15/month data plan with a free mobile hotspot service. But, paying $25 + $20 a month for this? That is $45 in addition to my voice and text plan, so that means my cell phone bill would be around $100/month?????

THIS is a total rip-off. No way, Apple. No way, AT&T.
 
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Whether you tether or not, should not matter. It should just be how much data you sign-up for. Whether I use 90% of my monthly through my laptop, versus surfing via the phone is transparent to the carrier. Just sell a 250MB, 2 GB, 5GB and an unlimited plan (or similar) let me decide if I tether that data or use it directly on the phone. How does it change what they see in usage of their network?

This, and this isnt just and ATT problem. This is all telcos.

2gb is 2gb is 2gb. No matter if I use it on my phone or 6 other people use it off my phone tether. Once that 2gb is gone, then i should be charged overages.

Period.
 
Well, guess I'm in the minority.

I took the 4GB with tethering deal over my grandfathered unlimited plan.

Here's the deal. I looked at my bills for the past year and I never used more than 2.5 GB of data. I was already paying $30 a month for unlimited. Now I'm paying $45 and have the capability of tethering and will have wifi hotspot next week. My iPad already has unlimited data and I'm more likely to watch streaming video on that anyway. Oh, and my Macbook Pro will like this as well. :)

Before anyone asks, no jailbreak for me. Tried it, didnt' like it.
 
How does it change what they see in usage of their network?

Because, like all providers, they over sell their bandwidth. Say they can push through 10TB of data / month maximum. And they want to sell 2GB / month plans. They take 10TB (1000GB = 1TB in this case to make it easy) or 10000GB and divide by 2GB to get 5000 possible accounts. BUT they also know that most people don't use all of their 2GB, in fact most only use half of that. So they sell 10,000 accounts (20TB worth of possible data) and make more money for not providing any more bandwidth. But now if everyone tried to use all 2GB they would be screwed because their network can't handle that much.

ALL providers of services do this. Even Airlines because they know that x number of people won't show up for every flight. Sucks when all the people do show up because SOMEONE HAS to get bumped.

The theory though is, if you actually had to pay for the full 2GB your monthly fee would be higher... but that's debatable.
 
MyWi looks nice, but Im one of those people that would rather not jailbreak my phone. With my luck Id brick the damn thing no matter how easy it is.
You can't brick your phone with jb. You can only brick your phone if you throw it into a pool of water or throw it off the empire state building. You can always recover a jb that goes south. Besides, there are tutorials on iclarified and jailbreakmatrix. The big thing is keeping the jb. You have to be willing to keep up with what's going on and also refuse to update through itunes.

Should the water company charge me extra for every faucet I have in my house? Should the power company charge me for every outlet?
If the water companies in this country could get away with it, they'd make you pay half your monthly salary for water. It was done in other countries, where they follow Friedman economics and got rid of regulations, until the citizens overthrew the companies and took them over.

when is the FCC going to step in and stop these companies from raping us?
Asking the government to regulate the hand that feeds them is a joke. Until the Supreme Court says that corporations don't count as people, you're stuck with this situation.

Making AT&T Gorge Customers a trending topic, will get more attention then moaning about it here.

This did wonders for me with Comcast.

Use #AT&TGorgesiPhone in your tweet.

Let's see what happens.
:rolleyes:The revolution will not be spelled correctly. Seriously people, learn to spell check if you don't want others to think of you as a dimwit.

The advantage to this is that you'd be paying an extra $20 over your regular iPhone bill whereas a dedicated iPad plan costs $25.
The dedicated ipad plan starts at $15 for 200MB, so buying the 3G ipad is cheaper overall. This method is especially advantageous for iphone users grandfathered into the unlimited plan. No need to lose the unlimited and the ipad can still access 3G data.

I have less of an issue for paying extra for tethering. However, I do have an issue with not being able to keep my unlimited plan and getting the tethering. I listen to pandora and other streaming music apps during the work week for about 6-8 hours/day. I legitimately use about 8 GB/month. I'm not some loser who is too cheap to buy real internet access and uses the jb tether as a substitute.
My phone is jb, so I've purchased tetherme; the developer is enabling the hotspot for iOS 4.3.
 
Anyone know how fast the switch takes place if you activate this on your account? And if you cancel, it's pro-rated right? Any time limit on how many times you can do this?

I currently have a jailbroken iPhone 4 using MyWi that I tether my iPad to but only once every 4-5 weeks for like 1-2 hours. Would be cool if I could turn on the service for just when I need it and pay for only that 1-2 hours via pro-rate.
 
They probably should, but we already covered this. You'll certainly end up paying more than you pay now.

Helluva thing to be wishing for.
Meh, not so sure, depends where you are on the user spectrum. It should be progressive pricing. But that scares away utility providers because it reduces demand.
 
Newbie question:

So if I jailbreak and use hotspot (not giving up my unlimited data, screw att) and connect my iPad2 to my iPhone4's network, can I use facetime? In other words, does it recognize it as a wifi network or just 3g? And I guess if its 3g, I can just use 3g restrict (or w/e the app is called that fools the device its on wifi)... Didn't really wanted to jailbreak, but att is just crazy for my $...

Thanks
 
People need to get a better understanding of "rights" and "privacy" and those sorts of things.

AT&T is not the government. You don't really have "rights" to anything with AT&T, and you certainly don't have any expectation of "privacy".

We, as individual people, entered into service contracts with a corporation.

I suggest that before someone starts screaming about rights and whatnot they read the contract that they willingly entered into.

If you don't like what AT&T provides, don't enter into a contract with them. AT&T doesn't "owe" you anything other than the services they agree to in your contract.

Jebus people, if you don't like the price - don't buy it. It's really that simple.
 
I don't think anyone expects ATT to give unlimited data for free!! or for that matter unlimited tethering or capped tethering for just a few buck a month more.

Have you read THIS thread or any of the hundred other similar threads like it over the past few years? Something for free is exactly what people want...

When people say they want tethering to be free with their unlimited plan or they want to be able to use their 2 gig however they want, they are saying "I want to use more data every month for the same price."

That is wanting something for free. As I have explained 100x over and as people still don't seem to understand... All the pricing is done based on average usage. If the average goes up, the cost goes up, and ultimately the price will go up if not offset in some other way. It is that simple. So when all these people say they want to just use their 2 gigs, they are asking for something for free.


The problem here is "price discrimination" that is a little too aggressive. I think most people are just seeking fair service for a fair price.

Given the number of people who are paying for service, I think that is disingenious. What we have here are people who are in the top percentile of users, who are already subsidized heavily by the rest of us for their wireless data access, who are acting like petulant children demanding that AT&T and the rest of us provide them with even more inexpensive or free bandwidth.


Pay to tether? Outrageous!

You pay for data. Whether you use up that data on one device or another is irrelevant.

It is wholly relevant if the way you access the data causes you to use more data. Prices are set based on how much data people use. Saying that it doesn't matter how people use their data is ignorant of how prices are set for this things and how companies like AT&T and Verizon acquire their most significant cost for providing these services.

Yeah its sinking in that those of us who would like to pay a little less for lets say 500MB or 1GB are subsidizing those who use more data.

I am with you. On my main phone right now I am on the $15 a month plan.. I would like even a lower tier plan, and another tier less than 2 gigs would be great... However all of that will cause the highest tier plan to potentially become more expensive as the power users get less subsidies from those who use less data. Right now they are demanding more data for the same price, which of course just makes costs go up for everyone.



Are you retarded? I want 2GB as 2GB. Not 2GB with an extra fee of $20 just because I want to use that 2GB in a different way. Obviously if I'm paying for 2GB I'm not looking to get "something for nothing". I couldn't care less what ISP it is trying to scam customers. None of them should be doing it.

You don't just want to use the 2 gig in a certain way. Before tethering you were using 300 megs, and after tethering you are using 1.8 gigs. You are not just using it in a different way, you are using 600% more of it, every single month. That is why you had to pay more. If you were using 2 gigs a month without tethering and 2 gigs a month with tethering you wouldn't care at all right? But who one earth would be using the same amount of data every month before and after tethering? Pretty much nobody right? So that means every person who uses tethering is using MORE data, which means more expenses for the wireless company.

Personally I would like them to come up a way to cut people off from using mywifi with the unlimited plan. It is making data costs more expensive for the rest of us who are not abusing the system.

The bottom line is the average usage of data determines the cost... If costs come down over time, then the amount of data available can be offset. However what people are asking for here is essentially akin to saying Apple must provide 64 gigs in the iPad 2 for $499
 
You'll be able to facetime on your ipad (it's the one connected to wifi), but not the iphone4 (it's creating the wifi). To facetime on the iphone4, you'll have to use my3G or a similar program.
Newbie question:

So if I jailbreak and use hotspot (not giving up my unlimited data, screw att) and connect my iPad2 to my iPhone4's network, can I use facetime? In other words, does it recognize it as a wifi network or just 3g? And I guess if its 3g, I can just use 3g restrict (or w/e the app is called that fools the device its on wifi)... Didn't really wanted to jailbreak, but att is just crazy for my $...

Thanks
 
People need to get a better understanding of "rights" and "privacy" and those sorts of things.

AT&T is not the government. You don't really have "rights" to anything with AT&T, and you certainly don't have any expectation of "privacy".

We, as individual people, entered into service contracts with a corporation.

I suggest that before someone starts screaming about rights and whatnot they read the contract that they willingly entered into.

If you don't like what AT&T provides, don't enter into a contract with them. AT&T doesn't "owe" you anything other than the services they agree to in your contract.

Jebus people, if you don't like the price - don't buy it. It's really that simple.
This...

No one put a gun to anyone's head when signing the contract.
Don't like the terms, don't sign.

Even freedom has a price. NOTHING is free.
 
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