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I Get what your saying. Your wanting to pirate service and here is what i mean. I Used to work for the cable company and this would be consider a form of pirating.

[Irellevant crap about cable service]

It's still theft of service. My mother didnt raise a thief but i guess some people were raised to do other things

I guess your mother raised you to call people thiefs and insult their mothers because they don't agree with you.

I'm using the internet on / through one device at a time. It's nothing at all like paying for internet and getting cable TV for free. I understand it's hard to see that far out of your rectum, though.
 
"iPhone tethering has the potential to exponentially increase traffic"

and the ipad won't? what a bunch of crap. they won't allow tethering because they can't figure out how to charge for it, nothing more nothing less. if they were truly concerned about network performance, they'd focus on reducing dropped calls and dead spots before adding tens of millions of new users with the ipad. and face it, even though the 'pad is carrier agnostic, att is the only one to make a microsim for it and to provide a data plan, so 99.9999999999899999% of customers will be using att. guess my phone service will be even ******** now.
 
I guess your mother raised you to call people thiefs and insult their mothers because they don't agree with you.

I'm using the internet on / through one device at a time. It's nothing at all like paying for internet and getting cable TV for free. I understand it's hard to see that far out of your rectum, though.

Sure it is because its coming thru the same pipeline. When you have a Cable modem you hook a splitter up you get basic cable channels.

Your saying since your paying 30 Dollars for unlimited data that you should be able to tether because your paying for it already. If you can't see the similiarties thats fine.

You can argue with me also all you want. But your discontent will not change the fact that AT&T will charge for tethering and that short of canceling your service. There is nothing you can do about it.

So get mad all you want because it wont change a thing and im glad it wont.
 
There was no additional charge so where is the piracy?

The piracy is in the fact that if you don't subcribe to a cable package and just have the cable modem and only pay time warner for the cable modem. That's stealing cable.

Because Cable companies just are not going to give you free cable just because your paying for another service.


Now if a tech connected a splitter just to be nice and the company isn't charging you for it then he Aided in theft.
You guys can call it what you want. But a Spade will always be a spade no matter what
 
The piracy is in the fact that if you don't subcribe to a cable package and just have the cable modem and only pay time warner for the cable modem. That's stealing cable.

Because Cable companies just are not going to give you free cable just because your paying for another service.


Now if a tech connected a splitter just to be nice and the company isn't charging you for it then he Aided in theft.
You guys can call it what you want. But a Spade will always be a spade no matter what

This was not the case. No cable modem. I had DSL through Verizon for internet. The cable company knew I had 2 TV's because I told them when I ordered the service and there was no additional charge. I could have had 3 TVs with no extra charge.

That's still not my point. If I'm already paying for a data plan then I should not be charged for 2 data plans or at least get a reduced price for a second plan. If I'm using the iPad for the internet then I'm not using the iPhone except for calls. Even software companies like MS and Adobe allow you to install MS Office and Adobe photoshop on 2 computers that you own (like a desktop and laptop) with the agreement that you only use one at a time. Note: One at a time. Several years ago I called both MS and Adobe to confirm that this was allowed. I do not steal nor would I jailbreak my iPhone. Please do not make assumptions based on circumstances you do not know.
 
This was not the case. No cable modem. I had DSL through Verizon for internet. The cable company knew I had 2 TV's because I told them when I ordered the service and there was no additional charge. I could have had 3 TVs with no extra charge.

That's still not my point. If I'm already paying for a data plan then I should not be charged for 2 data plans or at least get a reduced price for a second plan. If I'm using the iPad for the internet then I'm not using the iPhone except for calls. Even software companies like MS and Adobe allow you to install MS Office and Adobe photoshop on 2 computers that you own (like a desktop and laptop) with the agreement that you only use one at a time. Note: One at a time. Several years ago I called both MS and Adobe to confirm that this was allowed. I do not steal nor would I jailbreak my iPhone. Please do not make assumptions based on circumstances you do not know.

Fine you win since your obviously not getting my point. Either way ATT will charge for tethering so while you win this argument you will pay in the end.

So that makes me happy.

You talking about verizon BTW and i was refering to a CABLE company like time warner or Cox where both services come thru the same pipeline. But never mind. I'm done with this forum you irrational guys can have it
 
If I'm already paying for a data plan then I should not be charged for 2 data plans or at least get a reduced price for a second plan. If I'm using the iPad for the internet then I'm not using the iPhone except for calls.

Perhaps you won't. For someone like you, the carriers need to invent a one-device-at-a-time data plan.

But in general, someone's spouse / friend / kids could be using the iPad while they're using their phone.

It's the same reason that two phones get charged two data plans.
 
Perhaps you won't. For someone like you, the carriers need to invent a one-device-at-a-time data plan.

But in general, someone's spouse / friend / kids could be using the iPad while they're using their phone.

It's the same reason that two phones get charged two data plans.

For sure. I don't begrudge AT&T it's nickels and dimes. Or at least I wouldn't if there was any indication they were actually putting the cash back into the network. I live in silicon valley and can't stream a baseball game on the drive from Palo Alto to Campbell because there is no data coverage for about 30% of the drive. Picks up right around Cupertino - probably not an accident.
 
I live in silicon valley and can't stream a baseball game on the drive from Palo Alto to Campbell because there is no data coverage for about 30% of the drive. Picks up right around Cupertino - probably not an accident.

I read somewhere that when the iPhone project started, there was very poor AT&T reception at Apple HQ. So AT&T put in a campus tower just for them.
 
I disagree. The biggest black eye is when I'm on my way home and have three failed calls on my iPhone. I say fix that, before you allow tethering. Oh, I live in Las Vegas so it isn't a small town and it isn't a town where tall buildings are a reason for dropped/failed calls.


Blame Carrot Top and Chris Angel.

And Louie Anderson.
 
Why is it unreasonable? Don't I pay $30 for unlimited data? Why does it matter how I use it?



To gain customers? Show they aren't Jack***es?

You pay 30$ for unlimited data that your phone can use, unmodified.

Not: "30$ for unlimited data that the device is capable of delivering with no restrictions to possible modifications, etc."

It's all there in the TOS.
 
You can't have an extensive, data intensive network for free.

AT&T can build this. They will.

But you will not get it for free and you will not get it tomorrow.

I wouldn't expect it to be ready tomorrow with a network capable of High Def video streaming for everyone who wants it for only 5 cents extra per month.

Sure they need to have a vision of what is necessary to go from a voice infrastructure to a data infrastructure.

When they build it though, don't complain about having to actually pay for it.
 
I'm sorry, but I call complete BS on AT&T!!!!

If they're so worried about how much bandwidth we'll use, why then are they PERFECTLY WILLING to sell me a USB 3G Dongle for my laptop (which I will contend I'd use more bandwidth through because it's plugged into the laptop and not battery powered like the iPhone)???

Why are they PERFECTLY WILLING to sell me a tethering plan for EVERY OTHER 3G Phone and Smartphone they sell???

But iPhone? NO.

BANDWIDTH IS BANDWIDTH you IDIOTS!

Note - I have NO problem with AT&T charging us extra for tethering. I currently play $40 (with corp discount) for the 5GB/mo data on the 3G USB adapter. I'd be perfectly willing to pay the same to be able to do it with my iPhone and not have to carry around the 3G dongle.

THE ONLY reason I could see for AT&T not allowing it is if the iPhone doesn't provide them with some means to lock out non-paying customers from tethering, or if it doesn't provide them some means of monitoring tethered vs. non-tethered data use.

Get with the program AT&T! You're about to lose that $40/mo from me to Sprint because you can't get your heads out of your butt!

It's actually really ****in simple. The tethering plans are 60 dollars and require a commitment and an AT&T account.
 
"During its fourth quarter 2009 conference call, Chief Operating Officer John Stankey said AT&T plans to spend between $18 billion and $19 billion in 2010 upgrading its wireless and backhaul networks to handle the onslaught of new traffic. This is roughly $2 billion more than the company had invested in the previous year.

Specifically, Stankey said AT&T will add 2,000 new cell sites and upgrade existing cell sites with three times more fiber links than it had in 2009. This will increase capacity for the backhaul network that connects the cell towers to AT&T's main network. The backhaul portion of the network is a critical component to AT&T's network; with these upgrades in place, Stankey said the company will be able to easily upgrade in the future to 4G wireless technology.

AT&T will begin testing its 4G network using LTE, the same technology Verizon Wireless is using for its 4G network, starting in 2010, with a few commercial deployments ready in 2011 and more commercial deployments in 2012.

AT&T, which is the only wireless operator in the U.S. selling the iPhone, has been the target of much criticism over this past year, as many iPhone subscribers, particularly in densely populated urban areas, have complained about dropped calls, slow Internet access, and poor all around service. Some critics claim the company has not been spending enough on network upgrades to keep up with growing demand.

Stankey acknowledged that AT&T has faced some difficulties, particularly in cities like New York and San Francisco. But he said the company is "closing the gap."

He said there are periods of time during the week in some sections of Manhattan where nearly 70 percent of the phones active on its network are data-intensive devices. He said to deal with this surge in usage, AT&T is increasing 3G radio capacity in those trouble areas by more than one third. The company will also add additional radio network controllers on existing cell sites.

As for San Francisco, Stankey blamed the poor network performance on zoning issues that have prevented the company from getting new cell phone towers up. But he said the company was been working to resolve these issues. And AT&T expects to add new cell towers in the Bay Area in 2010. And it's boosting capacity at convention centers, sports stadiums and along public transportation routes.

But keeping up with demand on AT&T's network is a bit like shooting a moving target. Usage on the network keeps increasing as AT&T adds new devices and subscribers. In the fourth quarter, AT&T added 2.7 million new mobile subscribers. Overall usage on AT&T's network grew 200 percent in 2009 alone. And the company is now servicing more than twice the number of smartphones as its competitors; again, it is the exclusive carrier in the U.S. for the iPhone, one of the most data intensive devices on the market. And in the fourth quarter, AT&T activated an additional 3.1 million iPhones.



NO company would've been able to predict how popular these devices would be, and i can--with all of my 10 years + knowledge of cellular communications education-- honestly say that this situation would've been just as ugly on any other network, and people would be crying foul, and threatening to switch to another carrier like they are now; in fact...some would even condone a switch to AT&t.

AT&T blows. And comparing a network in europe to one in the US just doesn't do anyone any justice.

We were caught with our pants down. The only thing we can do is hope that AT&T gets their act together, and ends up with a more robust infrastructure. ATT is here to stay, unfortunately. But if they continue to upgrade at the rate they are right now, i can, however, see ATT having the best network in 5 years; all because of the Iphone and Ipad.

It stinks that the consumers don't have a viable option right now. It sucks that corporations are corporations, and that we can't use the phrases "consumer advocacy" and "att" in the same sentence. I suppose it's just a testament to the status of corporate America in the modern age we live in. There's no way out, unfortunately.
 
Corporate

If you want to set off a fireworks session at AT&T just email your local rep, they scan all emails, and when criticism of there network becomes the topic of discussion, they start listening really good. Its not a crock , they're ear's perk up really good then.

In short all the people on the iPhone and running jailbroken iPhones which there more than likely tethering from also, or maybe not and now the iPad is more than likely bringing parts of AT&T's network to its knees. I have to say though that I'll hold out for the fall to see if Verizon is going to bring on the iPhone.

Or I could get the VZW mifi which a friend did for his iPad and now the iPhone because of much faster speed's than the 3G POS network here in NY.

More bars in more places, well yea in major metropolitan area's anything outside and its CRAP.

Who's the HLIC DelaGarza or someone, he should get slammed with emails and phone calls and an FCC investigation for false advertising and not living up to what they say in person and in advertisements .
 
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