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I was all set to dump AT&T and head back to ultra reliable Verizon. Three reasons I didn't.

1. I would lose unlimited data
2. I would lose my free upgrade every year
3. Lack of simultaneous voice and data
 
Had an iPhone 3G on AT&T for 3 years. Loved the phone. Broke it and decided to switch to Verizon for an iPhone 4 because everyone swore Verizon was soooo superior (mainly droid freaks).

Huge mistake! I regret it everyday. I hate:
- the slow Verizon 3G (vs the fast AT&T 3G)
- when I'm in an app and get a text, the app disconnects
- sitting in Busch stadium in STL and not having Verizon service
- waundering the streets in Chicago and data being so slow I can't use maps
- having 3 bars but the phone won't dial
- still no service on ski slopes
- no roaming in some countries - I just have NO SERVICE when I travel.

BTW, it's not an issue with my individual handset. I had the first 4 warrantied. Both of them are equally as bad.

I'm convinved the reason people think Verizon has better coverage than AT&T is because Verizon lies about their coverage and AT&T is honest about poor coverage areas.

I hated AT&T's business practices, but at least their service didn't piss me off everyday. Similar to how I know Walmart isn't a good company, but I sure buy up their cheap stuff!
 
Then I guess all tests are flawed if they result in the actual fact that the AT&T network is significantly faster. Here are three tests/writeup of which one was test in San Fran, which happens to be one of the "problem" markets for AT&T:

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/10/19/iphone-4s-3g-speed-test-att-vs-sprint-vs-verizon-part-1/

http://www.cio.com/article/674663/AT_T_iPhone_vs._Verizon_iPhone_Which_Performs_Better_

http://osxdaily.com/2011/02/03/verizon-iphone-vs-att-iphone-speed-test/

Tests vary from iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and 3GS. All conclude in AT&T being significantly faster.

I could dig up 10 more links but I think the point is made. Sure, if you live in an area where Verizon threw up one of their couple LTE towers, you might compare to AT&T but generally AT&T is faster across the board.
hahah wow.... your reading comprehension is terrible

YES, we know att is FASTER... nobody is denying that.

The point is, if I'm at home and have no signal from att, how can that be faster than having signal from verizon???? Even if a website takes 2 minutes to load with verizon, it will be faster than never loading on att because it is searching for service.

And again you are wrong in regards to LTE. I think you may have been referring to the "few" LTE towers att has put up.

Yeah, att has LTE in 5 markets right now, with 15 scheduled before the end of the year.

Verizon has 178 markets and covers over 185 million of their subscribers. Lets not forget verizon has had LTE for almost a year now, while att has only had it in 5 markets for a few months.

Also, being near an LTE tower would have no affect on iPhone speeds.... the iPhone is not an LTE device. Maybe come back when you have valid points to argue.
 
Uh, Verizon 4G LTE is a commercial, not reality. Windows Phone (LOL), Antenna Gate is over, Battery Gate (huh). But I guess you can switch to windows for Virus Gate... Have Fun!

You clearly dont have a clue about Windows Phone 7 do you. I guess you must be one of those folks that thinks that MacOS is immune to viruses. Maybe you even downloaded and paid for an awesome app called MacDefender!!! lol.

Btw.. how is your battery faring on IPhone 4S ???
 
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You clearly dont have a clue about Windows Phone 7 do you. I guess you must be one of those folks that thinks that MacOS is immune to viruses. Maybe you even downloaded and paid for an awesome app called MacDefender!!! lol.

Btw.. how is your battery faring on IPhone 4S ???


LOL, my battery life is normal as any other iPhone or blackberry I have owned. No, I do not have a windows 7 phone which should provide you with the needed education that I also would not download Mac Defender.

Pretty funny when someone is stupid enough to point out the very few vulnerabilities in Mac OS when defending Windows. Thank you for the chuckle of the day.
 
LOL, my battery life is normal as any other iPhone or blackberry I have owned. No, I do not have a windows 7 phone which should provide you with the needed education that I also would not download Mac Defender.

Pretty funny when someone is stupid enough to point out the very few vulnerabilities in Mac OS when defending Windows. Thank you for the chuckle of the day.
i think he was pointing out the flaws in your logic and basic lack of knowledge in reference to the topics you mention more than whether windows or osx is more secure. :eek:

Thank YOU for the chuckles though! :p
 
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bmustaf said:
Honestly, I think if I switched to verizon and couldn't talk and surf at the same time after being able to do it on ATT it would drive me crazy.

Ha! It drives me crazy that I can't surf *or* talk on ATT - let alone do both at the same time :).

That's terrible, I'm on a conference call and reading this forum at the same time on AT&T. In the 15+ years I've been with AT&T in central California I've not dropped more that 15 to 20 calls.
 
The point is, if I'm at home and have no signal from att, how can that be faster than having signal from verizon???? Even if a website takes 2 minutes to load with verizon, it will be faster than never loading on att because it is searching for service.

Then what is your point if you are agreeing AT&T is faster. Are you upset that I didn't mention that AT&T is faster except in your home? LOL.

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umm verizon has the largest 4G LTE network in america and covers over 130 different markets, compared to att's paltry 5.

Windows Phone 7 is just as closed as iOS.... no such thing as virus gate.

I guess you can keep your hater hat on while you're making false claims! :p

How is your Verizon iPhone on LTE? :D
 
I gotta admit I'm surprised by this. For all the crap I heard about how bad AT&T was, I guess it was just not true. I've always had Verizon so I just assumed that there would be an exit en masse to Verizon once the iPhone hit.
 
Then what is your point if you are agreeing AT&T is faster. Are you upset that I didn't mention that AT&T is faster except in your home? LOL.
For the record, I have att, and I do have service at my house... i'm talking in theory here, guess you don't know what that means.

Anyways, this is the 3rd and last time I'll say it for you. If you can't figure it out by now, go back to school and take some reading classes.

when tested, att provides faster data speeds than verizon. We know that. What michael was saying, is that those speeds mean nothing if he doesn't have reliable att service where he lives.

what good are faster data speeds if you don't have a signal? exactly. Thus the point of the comments.

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Macboy Pro said:
How is your Verizon iPhone on LTE?

haha your partial quotes are funny. Lets see, you are the one who told me, maybe verizon will be faster if you are next to one of their "few" LTE towers:
Macboy Pro said:
Sure, if you live in an area where Verizon threw up one of their couple LTE towers, you might compare to AT&T

I then replied to you by saying:
being near an LTE tower would have no affect on iPhone speeds.... the iPhone is not an LTE device.

So, umm thanks for repeating after me?!?!?!

The only reason I brought up LTE is because you claimed vzw only had a few towers, which is false, and in comparison, att's LTE attempt is a complete joke at this point. Never once did I claim i get faster speeds because vzw has LTE.

I know you are going to comment back with some moronic response, but I'm not going to continue to repeat myself to someone who can't read what's right in front of them.
 
Not sure about $20 a mo. after the first year, the lady only told me it was $10 off per month when I was asking her about my ETF to leave att. I think the funniest part of when I made the call.... she tried to convince me staying with att was in my best interest because they were the only provider that offered the 3GS, 4, and 4S... yeah if I already upgraded from my 3GS and my iP4, why would I care to go back to them??? haha

Beats me; thats what the AT&T store rep told me. BestBuy mobile rep told me the same thing. This was when I was comptemplating to renew my contract with AT&T versus buy an iphone no-contract; so i can switch to any carrier i want later. They said it would be cheaper to just renew the contract; and cancel later and pay the ETF rather than buy the iphone outright.

So AT&T retail rep gave me 2 examples: a) if i renew my 2yr contract and cancel it without returning the iphone would be like $20 cheaper than paying for the full price outright; and b) if i renew my contract and cancel a year from now when I want to switch; would save me about $120. Then he said after 1 year it's $20 off each month; so it will quickly go down.

Aparrently some class-action lawsuit against AT&T for making customers overpay ETF when they only got 1 month to go in their contract spark this whole thing. He explained AT&T is forced to make the ETF more fair for customers near the end of their contract... so if you only have 1 month to go; it wont cost you like $100.

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Funny I've had AT&T in Chicago since 1999 and it's better than ever now... Rarely do I drop a call and get 3G data 62 floors up, and at home in lake view I actually get 3.50 mps data. So really can't complain.

I was in Chinatown for lunch. Right within that plaza I get 0-1 bar.... and mostly no bar. Not even EDGE.

Airport works... driving through chinatown to downtown was spotty... as I was trying to use my phone's GPS to guide me to my hotel and gas station. I pulled over trying to find a movie theatre and see whats close to my hotel ... and gave up.

This isn't to say I hate AT&T... just something I am giving my testimony to my coverage while visiting Chicago back in October 2011. To be fair... my wife got T-Mobile, and it got 1-2 bar in Chinatown area... Sprint looks like it works well when I visited back in September with friends who had Sprint with them.

But this isn't a reason for me to switch. AT&T3G rocks in my home town of Minneapolis.

Next time you get a chance to go to Chinatown, check your signal... i like to know if the 4S new attenna design works better there.
 
- waundering the streets in Chicago and data being so slow I can't use maps

Wow. I had the same issue with AT&T when I visited Chicago. I mainly stopped over on my way to Cancun but stayed a night in Chicago. Rented a car and went to visit Bank of America (no BofA in MN) for some account work; then stopped by Chinatown for lunch. Mostly on the route between the O'hare airport and to Chinatown I got spotty coverage; and barely any at all once in Chinatown.

My wife has t-mobile and pactically had the same issues but not as bad in Chinatown. Only other network I know works well (in Chicago Chinatown) is Sprint...

I would think Verizon would have decent coverage in Chicago. Thanks for letting me know! I was considering switching my company mobile to Verizon!
 
Compare apples to apples.

Reliability: Verizon Wins. Its amazing how many calls I have dropped with 5 bars on AT&T.
3G Speed: AT&T Wins
4G Speed: Verizon kills AT&T, but sadly Verizon 4G LTE is only available on non IPhone platforms. As someone else mentioned, AT&T's "4G" is a joke and they have no transition path to real 4G speeds. Its funny that they are trying to convice Apple to allow them to show the 4G Icon on the new 4S phones, when it isn't really 4G.

Ironically, IPhone is causing a lot more pain for Verizon than expected its the IPhone customers that keep complaining that their download speeds are slowed than their AT&T counterparts. Little do they know that they should blame Apple for releasing an outdated phone on the Verizon network that doesn't support 4G LTE.

Once again, if you want outdated over-priced tech, stick with Apple. I made the mistake of switching from Verizon to AT&T years ago to get the Blackberry and have regretted ever since. Can't wait to get back.
 
I think you are confused. I have iPhone 4 unlocked on T-Mobile. The rates can be cheaper then AT&T depending on what you want, and in my area the service is more reliable then AT&T. I use data and voice at the same time all the time on T-Mobile. I am using it now. That is a feature of the GSM network, which both AT&T and T-Mobile are. It is Sprint and Verizon you can't currently do that on unless you have an LTE phone.

Not true, my Thunderbolt did both prior to LTE hitting my area. Unless it's something specific to just the LTE phones in general regardless of coverage type. I don't see why the 4S couldn't have done it over 3G if Thunderbolt did.
 
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