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...This is how EVERY provider does it, since cell phones first existed.

That's actually a good 'cell phone history' point. They needed to figure out how to justify the cost of this new cell phone trend to the consumer. Even at that time you could pick up a plain household phone for as low as $19.99.

So they came up with and used the same subsidization plans we see today as a means to avoid allowing the consumer to look at the sticker price on the phone and saying "$ ###.## for a phone?! #$% that! ".
 
Every current AT&T customer that has a subsidized phone should have to wait. Period. The iphone 3G is no differnt than any other phone. Just because you all want a new toy doesn't mean AT&T should make new rules for you. Get over it already.

It's sad that forums which should be here to be helpful and informative end up a bitch session by a bunch of idiots that that are to cheap to live up to their responsibilities so they throw a fit like a 6 year old. Kudo's for looking like complete idiots and not understanding a basic cell phone contract.
 
And why do iPhone gen 1 owners get the subsidy? If I buy a Blackberry Pearl 1, 3 months or even month before a new Blackberry Pearl comes out that doesn't mean I get to get the new Blackberry pearl for it's subsidized price.

Because when they bought their iPhone they didn't get a subsidy - they all paid the full unsubsidised retail price. Using your example, if you'd bought the Blackberry Pearl unsubsidised they you'd be able to get the new one subsidised.
 
I'm not sure if this has been stated, but if you are a current AT&T customer, without the iPhone, you can see when you are eligble normally for an upgrade by checking your account online. I'm guessing, if you are eligble for a normal cell phone upgrade, you'll be eligble for an iPhone upgrade.
 
this thread has been dragging on forever. to the posters who think that apple cheated them or broke their hearts about the statement that the 199/299 pricing is for everyone, are crazy. everyone has to understand apple is still a company. they are not some super company like it seems sometimes. they have every right to say its 199/299 for everyone because ATT is their exclusive carrier. people hate when apple does not help them, and hate when apple helps them. i have not been keeping up with the thread, but it seems like you have to be eligible to upgrade, which is what they should do. this is not a business where everything goes the customer way, its a business about money.
 
That's the best news I've heard since the keynote . I'd rather pay the cost up front then get stuck with a monkey on my back.

The unsub price is for people who's accounts don't qualify for a subsidized phone. Either way you still have to sign a contract. So if you get an unsub phone you'll pay up front and get a "monkey on your back."
 
I had no idea the iPhone was so many people's first mobile phone.

That's the only explanation I can think of for why the news of a carrier subsidy and the associated eligibility requirements (which is how every carrier in the country operates and has for many, many years) is such a shock.

I'm actually (pleasantly) surprised they made an exception for iPhone users. I figured they'd have to pony up the unsubsidized price, too. I wonder if it was Apple or AT&T that pushed for that rule tweak.

(EDIT: never mind, babyj points out what should have been obvious to me above. The initial iPhone purchase was unsubsidized, so iPhone users are eligible for a subsidy. When the next iPhone comes out next year, though, I assume 3G users will be expected to pay full price.)
 
i also think people have to understand that apple and ATT are being so strict right now, because people bought iphones and cheated apple and ATT by unlocking them without signing a contract with ATT. they are finally treating the iPhone like any other phone, which is what they should do..
 
For anyone who is in the same boat as me...

a) under contract with at&t
b) bought the iPhone last year
c) sold it a few weeks ago (to pay for the new one)
d) downgraded to standard voice plan (dropped the iPhone data portion)

I just spoke with at&t on the phone and she reassured me that I am eligible for the $199 or $299 pricing scheme. I even had her double check with a manager (who confirmed it) and had her note the account with our conversation details.
 
what if I want an old phone

Sorry if that was posted already, at work and no time to read everything. I will get a new 3G eventually, my wife on the famil plan will than take my 1G iPhone. Can we swap the SIM card and than she can upgrade her service still via iTunes? Does she need to pay the $30 plan or can she get the $20 plan sice no 3G is even possible...?
Much obliged,:confused:
 
I'm not sure if this has been stated, but if you are a current AT&T customer, without the iPhone, you can see when you are eligble normally for an upgrade by checking your account online. I'm guessing, if you are eligble for a normal cell phone upgrade, you'll be eligble for an iPhone upgrade.

No guessing required. ATT has already said iPhone 2G owners are eligible for a subsidized iPhone. If they upgrade though they have to sign a new contract (2 year period starts fresh) and pay the new 3G data fee. If text is desired that will be optional. I think it's $5 for 200 or $20 for unlimited.
 
It's all over the Internet in professional reporting. Check out Forbes and WSJ if you must. Given that even a relatively conventional Samsung flip phone sells for $299 direct, it's patently obvious that the iPhone is subsidized. For comparison, HTC, the major manufacturer of Windows devices, sells most of their models in the $500-800 range.

Carrier locking and subsidies are the only reasons that prices that low can be achieved under current market and technology conditions.

If you're looking for "proof" in the form of an original invoice specifying the amount of the subsidy, good luck. I'm not aware of that information being published for any handset from any manufacturer.

There is no chance, none whatsoever, that $199/299 is an unsubsidized price.

It meshes fine. He said it would be $199 worldwide with a two year carrier agreement. The particular and complex details of pricing arrangements, total cost of ownership, optional features and their impact on pricing, and plan details do not make for a good presentation. Presentations for the public are all elevator pitches and 10-word answers.

You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't list TCO on a pricetag. You say, look, we're taking $199 plus tax from your wallet now. Last week, we were taking $399 plus tax from your wallet. It's AT&T's job to cover the plan prices and terms. It's the power company's job to explain their rates to you about how much it'll cost to charge the device. It's the bank or treasury's job to explain what's going on with the dollar and why index costs are increasing and purchasing power is decreasing, leading to a double-hit against your bottom line. All of that is separate.

Apple's involvement stops at the four corners of the device. It can't reasonably be expected to work any other way.

Holy crap! This might be the most sane post in this whole thread. Bravo.

If you bought a phone in the past year and wanted to upgrade to the new SuperMobile ABC model phone, would you expect a subsidized upgrade? Of course not. You'd wait till your 2 years were up or sucked it up and paid full price. So what's the difference now. At&T subsidized your OLD phone. If they haven't gotten 2 years out of you for that subsidy, why should they lose money on your old phone cause you want a new one?

In Jan, I bought a sony expecting the new 3G iphone to be along the same price as the old one and I could just sell the sony on ebay and buy an iphone. So 399 right? Now, if I want to get a new iphone, i have to pay $199+ETFish cost of about $175. No ***** difference really.

I think if Jobs said the phone was $500 but you guys could upgrade right now with no fees, some of you might think that was a good deal.
 
well I am a first gen. Iphoner so I get the lower price so thats cool, there have been thing I have read on here that I dont like by att but what can you do.
if uthink about it if u bought a treo and got it for the sub. price with a 2 year contract then a year later treo comes out with a better phone u like its not treos fault u have to pay the higher price thats the way the game has been

Apple has ruined it for me in the sence I only want a iPhone from here on out. I love the phone,there are things I dont like or wish they would change but if I want the iPhone I gotta deal with the devil " paying more for 3g and 2 more years,and paying more for text messages" but I love the phone so what can I do

So I will buy the 3g phone and once apple comes out with a newer version 8 months later and I'll buy that one as well,what I have started to do is set 20.00 a week a side as a iPhone fund so every year I'll just get the new phone

Its simple grab your ankles and pay or I'd your upset dont buy it....no on has a gun to your head..........yes i wish they
are it more affordable or cheaper or just left it at the price jobs said ...... But if I want the phone its what I gotta do
 
I think it was a huge risk for anyone to switch to AT&T before the release of the 3g iPhone. Assuming that is what you did. Being that it's always been the case that you have a contract for 2 years with your current phone. I'd imagine anyone that doesn't read these forums wouldn't even think they could get the subsidized iPhone if they weren't due yet.

30 day complete return policy. Return your phone and get the iPhone fully subsidized at $199 or $299.
 
I have a gut feeling that AT&T is going to be working hard to get you on the iPhone 3g gravy train. At the first of May, I was starting to have more problems with my IMAP Exchange mail, so I went to AT&T, initiated my BES account again, and swapped back and forth between the two (surprisingly, the iPhone worked fine on the BES service, except for Visual Voicemail). Then right before WWDC I eBayed the iPhone in fear of the pending announcement.

So this week, I talked to my rep, explained the plan switch and that I heard I should have kept the iPhone account open to qualify for upgrade pricing, and she said it won't be a problem since I didn't buy any new subsidized equipment after the iPhone account.

We'll see, but I'm convinced they believe the data gravy train and services will top the upfront subsidy. The real PIA will be the even higher charges for Activestink services (just like a BES account).
 
7 Pages of this NONSENSE Already!!! lol

CRY CRY CRY...

Is EVERYONE here a 12-year old?
(and that's an insult to 12-year olds, as I was pretty sharp at that age, so maybe it should read,"Is EVERONE...9-year olds?"

For those in the USA:
EVERYONE knows the iphone should be a full-retail price of $400-600+.....

EVERYONE knows that when you buy a SUBSIDIZED phone that there are STRINGS attached (no matter how much you pretend otherwise).

EVERYONE knows that when you sign a Carrier CONTRACT, you AGREED to those TERMS... So Stop CRYING Crybabies!!!

Unless, of course, you are 12 years old (or mentally challenged- and then we will all understand)... or maybe it's WINDOZE folks wanting an iPhone that are pleading 'Temporary Stupidity' (I might be able to buy that excuse!)

----

WHAT?
  • You thought that $50 phone REALLY cost just $50!? (you may have been born on a Tuesday, but I doubt it was last Tuesday if you are posting here...)
  • Or that $200 so-called Multi-media phone really cost only $200!? lol Get real, that piece of electronics costs (at real retail) $400-750 (just check out Nokia's REAL prices if you think an iPhone is expensive! lol).

I like this one too:
"I switched to AT&T months ago to be ready to get the new iPhone." REALLY?

EVERYONE knows that when you sign a new CONTRACT you CANNOT upgrade until you complete (or nearly complete) your contract TERM.
SO THAT'S JUST MORE NONSENSE! lolol

Suck it up baby!

Let's Move Along, Nothing to See (or read, aparently) Here....
So we can get to July 11th already and ....

I can get my 2 NEW iPHONE 3Gs on my NEW Family plan! (I'll be opting for 2 $299/ 16 GB models, one white, one black)
 
I hate AT&T

I hate AT&T... they are a sleazy company who will do anything to screw their customers.....

I refuse to do business with AT&T ... so I will have to try and be happy with my iPod Touch.....
 
I hate AT&T... they are a sleazy company who will do anything to screw their customers.....

I refuse to do business with AT&T ... so I will have to try and be happy with my iPod Touch.....

Sleazy? The last time I used that word was when I was talking about a hooker, not a phone company.
 
A month ago, I was ready to spend $399 on an iPhone. I think a lot of us were.

The problem is that SJ dangled $199 in front of us, and now it feels like AT&T is snatching it away. They've screwed up on the expectations game.
 
A month ago, I was ready to spend $399 on an iPhone. I think a lot of us were.

The problem is that SJ dangled $199 in front of us, and now it feels like AT&T is snatching it away. They've screwed up on the expectations game.

I don't really understand the post. Steve "dangled" the $199 price saying that it was with a 2 year contract. What is AT&T snatching away?
 
I hate AT&T... they are a sleazy company who will do anything to screw their customers.....

I refuse to do business with AT&T ... so I will have to try and be happy with my iPod Touch.....


And how are they screwing anyone? Please tell me how their policies differ substantially from Verizon, T-Mob, or Sprint (although Sprint does prorate the ETF). Do any of them besides ATT have roll over minutes where you can actually use unused minutes you paid for in a different month?

Seriously, please explain your statement.
 
Because when they bought their iPhone they didn't get a subsidy - they all paid the full unsubsidised retail price. Using your example, if you'd bought the Blackberry Pearl unsubsidised they you'd be able to get the new one subsidised.

Okay, okay. Now what if next year when the 3rd generation iPhone comes out. Will iPhone users get the discount? I know you can't tell me that, but it could be something to talk about.
 
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