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I'm just gonna throw this out there: As a current owner of a 4S (I get 3G speeds tops) with a month left on my 2 year Sprint contract and not necessarily wanting to renew it, AND wanting to purchase an iPhone 5 so I can use LTE (I will check coverage in my area first), what's in your opinion the cheapest/best value US plan (preferably non-contract but month-to-month so I can test the waters) out there right now that can use LTE, or at least 4G? Unlimited data is ideal, but I can swing 2GB data with a soft cap and 100 talk minutes at the least.

T-Mobile seems nice because I can pay $100 down for a new 16GB iPhone 5 and finance the rest with my monthly bills. I'm OK with a hardware subsidy like that, but I don't want another longterm service contract. If I'm not satisfied with T-Mobile I'll still want to keep and unlock my iPhone 5 anyway, so I can pay off the remainder of my balance for the device and leave them whenever I want.

StraightTalk seems OK, but I kind of feel yucky giving Walmart my money so I don't know about that. And no visual voicemail sucks.

As for Aio, 4MB speeds max is a little meh.

Thanks, if anyone has any input I really appreciate it!
 
So what is your alternative? The physics is what it is.

IMHO the REAL problem here is that people have the crazy notion that it makes sense to use a very limited resource for frivolous purposes like watching YouTube or Pandora, and then are upset that this notion does not square with reality. (I'm not criticizing Pandora or YouTube per se --- people can do what they like; but to think that you have a "right" to use them anywhere and everywhere, rather than just using them where WiFi and ethernet are available, and listening to/watching stored content otherwise, is silly entitlement.)

This is no different from previous such delusions, eg mass fishing --- then being upset when the fisheries collapse; or gas guzzlers from the 60s, then being upset in the 70s when the price of oil rises.
You can usually find a human agent to blame for the problem --- the fishermen from some other country, the Arabs, ATT; but the human agent is just the deliverer of bad news --- you can't fight physical laws.

I'm not making an argument about technical possibilities or limitations. It's not a physics discussion nor am I demanding we somehow break the laws of physics. What I am doing is poking fun at the concept of our "need" for faster data burn (LTE) clashing with hard caps set by the data tollmasters (AT&T, Verizon, etc). I'm finding fault with the system that is increasingly pinching the data we can use (through caps) while at the same time rolling out technology aimed at "helping" us burn through those caps faster than ever.

It's like opening up the nationwide speed limit to 100 miles per hour but then sticking toll booths closer and closer together on every road to charge us for traveling further. What good is 100 miles per hour speed limits if the toll booths keep tightening on trying to travel far? What's good in "helping" us burn cell data faster and faster with advancing technology while billing us tighter and tighter for blocks of data we use? And note I know what's good about it for AT&T, Verizon, Apple, etc. I'm asking about us consumers. What's in that for us (other than less money to have to lug around in our wallets)? (and it's a rhetorical question).



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I'm just gonna throw this out there: As a current owner of a 4S (I get 3G speeds tops) with a month left on my 2 year Sprint contract and not necessarily wanting to renew it, AND wanting to purchase an iPhone 5 so I can use LTE (I will check coverage in my area first), what's in your opinion the cheapest/best value US plan (preferably non-contract but month-to-month so I can test the waters) out there right now that can use LTE, or at least 4G? Unlimited data is ideal, but I can swing 2GB data with a soft cap and 100 talk minutes at the least.

T-Mobile seems nice because I can pay $100 down for a new 16GB iPhone 5 and finance the rest with my monthly bills. I'm OK with a hardware subsidy like that, but I don't want another longterm service contract. If I'm not satisfied with T-Mobile I'll still want to keep and unlock my iPhone 5 anyway, so I can pay off the remainder of my balance for the device and leave them whenever I want.

StraightTalk seems OK, but I kind of feel yucky giving Walmart my money so I don't know about that. And no visual voicemail sucks.

As for Aio, 4MB speeds max is a little meh.

Thanks, if anyone has any input I really appreciate it!

Ask yourself this: "why do I need LTE?" What about your use of iDevices demands the accelerated speed of data burn? If you can't come up with a very good reason for that (and there really isn't many for most people), kick that out of your requirements mix. If 3G is fast enough for how you use an iDevice, then you can get much better plans and save a lot of money.

We use NET10 on the AT&T network in iPhone 5. $45/month unlimited* everything (though unlimited* data is limited to 1500 MB). I don't believe we get LTE speed but we don't ever feel 3G is slow for all the things we do with our iDevices. In fact, some comparisons of an LTE iPad vs. 3G iPhone show so little difference that it seems negligible.

Think about it: where would higher data speed show most tangibly? In a big download such as buying a movie from iTunes. However, with data caps as they are, such a big download is going to get you to the cap pretty quickly. As little as 1 movie download can burn up the whole 2GB cap typical of the big 2 plans. So, what do you do? If you want to download something of size, you save that for when you have a wifi connection. If so, then you never really feel a huge tangible difference of 4G vs. 3G.

If you can say that you definitely must have LTE speed, then your choices are much more limited and you generally need to pay up to play.
 
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As others have noted, the value proposition here isn't all that great compared to some of the MVNOs. I'm very interested in Ting, but they use Sprint's network and that seems a little spotty in my area. Their plans, and your billing, automatically adjust to your usage. The data is expensive at the high end, but unless I'm traveling, I average under 500 MB per month of data, and would probably pay around $27 per month with Ting.

AT&T's network is better than Sprint's in my area, but I wish they or one of their MVNOs would offer a flexible "pay per use" plan like Ting.

I prepaid for a year of Straight Talk service, which will run out in October (no problems, so far). I will take another look at Ting at that time.
 
I don't see an advantage over ST, either. I am planning to move to ST once my contract runs out, unless I decide to upgrade to a new smartphone.

You do know AT&T doesn't participate in the straight talk plan anymore?
 
You do know AT&T doesn't participate in the straight talk plan anymore?

there are still some ways to get st ATT sims I believe, the nokia e71 (refurbished~50 bucks) ordered from st includes an unlocked ATT sim that can be used in iphones. they can also be purchased on ebay at inflated prices. new account creation (and current of course) is fine, it's just the availability of the sims. the straight talk forums on howardforums are very helpful. they are not available directly from st for byod devices though yes you are correct.

Net 10 is also a good option and nearly the same as ST (like actually the same parent company). I believe they directly sell ATT Sims for byod.

This isn't directed at you but I believe any ATT MVNO can use youmail for visual voicemail (they allow conditional call forwarding), so that argument against ST/NET10 is lame. I've grown to be fond of youmails extra features over stock visual voicemail anyway.

And if you're feeling peachy, you can buy prepaid months from ebay or other third party sites for under$45/mo. My last refills have been $38, $37, $35.

If you are okay with doing some homework, MVNO's are the way to go for single user accounts / many family plan situations (and aren't hellbent on LTE).

I am intrigued by tmobile, but have no experience with them yet. They are only worth it with the new iphone 5 with their native frequency coverage imo.
 
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I'm just gonna throw this out there: As a current owner of a 4S (I get 3G speeds tops) with a month left on my 2 year Sprint contract and not necessarily wanting to renew it, AND wanting to purchase an iPhone 5 so I can use LTE (I will check coverage in my area first), what's in your opinion the cheapest/best value US plan (preferably non-contract but month-to-month so I can test the waters) out there right now that can use LTE, or at least 4G? Unlimited data is ideal, but I can swing 2GB data with a soft cap and 100 talk minutes at the least.

T-Mobile seems nice because I can pay $100 down for a new 16GB iPhone 5 and finance the rest with my monthly bills. I'm OK with a hardware subsidy like that, but I don't want another longterm service contract. If I'm not satisfied with T-Mobile I'll still want to keep and unlock my iPhone 5 anyway, so I can pay off the remainder of my balance for the device and leave them whenever I want.

StraightTalk seems OK, but I kind of feel yucky giving Walmart my money so I don't know about that. And no visual voicemail sucks.

As for Aio, 4MB speeds max is a little meh.

Thanks, if anyone has any input I really appreciate it!

My wife and I just switched from Sprint to T-Mobile. We were using the iPhone 4S. The biggest reason why we switched was that Sprint in our area only had data speeds that were 2G. So far T-Mobile has been great. Data speeds in our area are not LTE yet and the 4G speeds are fine until LTE comes on-line. We traded-in our 4S to T-Mobile which was applied to the loan. Basically cut the loan in half for us. T-Mobile gave us a very fair trade-in amount. I checked around and most places would not even give us near what T-Mobile did. T-Mobile is also offering $50 rebate for new customers. Best to check the coverage in your area though. A few of things I like so far about T-Mobile:

  1. The iPhone 5 is $70 cheaper then what Apple charges.
  2. HD voice.
  3. Customer Service.
 
I'm not making an argument about technical possibilities or limitations. It's not a physics discussion nor am I demanding we somehow break the laws of physics. What I am doing is poking fun at the concept of our "need" for faster data burn (LTE) clashing with hard caps set by the data tollmasters (AT&T, Verizon, etc). I'm finding fault with the system that is increasingly pinching the data we can use (through caps) while at the same time rolling out technology aimed at "helping" us burn through those caps faster than ever.

It's like opening up the nationwide speed limit to 100 miles per hour but then sticking toll booths closer and closer together on every road to charge us for traveling further. What good is 100 miles per hour speed limits if the toll booths keep tightening on trying to travel far? What's good in "helping" us burn cell data faster and faster with advancing technology while billing us tighter and tighter for blocks of data we use? And note I know what's good about it for AT&T, Verizon, Apple, etc. I'm asking about us consumers. What's in that for us (other than less money to have to lug around in our wallets)? (and it's a rhetorical question).

You are not thinking clearly, and so are making foolish statements.
(a) I have already explained to you the system-wide benefits of LTE. That explains why it makes sense for THE SYSTEM to switch to LTE: more people can be served in congested areas.
(b) The first personal benefit to LTE is the corollary to the above. You are substantially more likely to have useful service available in crowded areas (for example airports). I have certainly noticed this.
(c) The second personal benefit to LTE is that interaction (eg web browsing) is snappier. Clicking on a link gives a page that can be read in 1/3 of a sec, say, rather than in 1 or 2 sec. Again I find this difference very noticeable.

These benefits have NOTHING to do with data caps, and claiming that the only use for LTE is to engage in massive downloads that soon hit your data cap is simply wrong. You are doing yourself no favors by viewing the world through such obviously incorrect lenses.

Like most things, LTE costs money, and it's your choice as to whether it meets a cost-benefit analysis. I've explained the benefits.
My analysis at the time I bought my iPhone5 was that for the plan I cared about (no texts because I use iMessage, and only 200MB of data because I want data to work well, but I only use it for text and web, not for large downloads, and taking into account the subsidy of the iPhone) LTE cost me less than $5/month over a comparable plan with StraightTalk, and that was worth it for the increased snappiness and reliability.

You're welcome to conclude that LTE is not worth the cost for your particular circumstances, but don't turn that into foolish statements about how LTE is worthless generally. Snappiness (which is what LTE gives you) is worth a lot --- that's been a constant theme in mobile evolution, and the whole reason for Android's project butter. We reached the point where CPUs (and GPUs) on phones were fast enough for the bulk computation on phones many years ago --- but we continue to want phones with faster CPUs. The reason is snappiness. Snappiness may mean that extra boost of speed from the CPU is only ever active for a few minutes in total every day --- but it makes a substantial difference to how pleasant the phone is to use. Compare using an iPhone4 to an iPhone5.

Snappiness is not essential, sure. The iPhone4 was a very nice phone, and if you can't afford a 5, you'll be happy with a 4. But if you CAN afford the few extra dollars a month, you ARE getting something for your money --- a snappier phone AND snappier data.
 
believe it or not, there are lots of things to do with a smart phone other than stream video 24x7

the concept of charging people more because they want to do something right there and then is decades old. when i was a kid stores would stock the highest margin items by the cash register for impulse buying.

same concept here with people just having some movie or other at that very moment

I'm not making an argument about technical possibilities or limitations. It's not a physics discussion nor am I demanding we somehow break the laws of physics. What I am doing is poking fun at the concept of our "need" for faster data burn (LTE) clashing with hard caps set by the data tollmasters (AT&T, Verizon, etc). I'm finding fault with the system that is increasingly pinching the data we can use (through caps) while at the same time rolling out technology aimed at "helping" us burn through those caps faster than ever.

It's like opening up the nationwide speed limit to 100 miles per hour but then sticking toll booths closer and closer together on every road to charge us for traveling further. What good is 100 miles per hour speed limits if the toll booths keep tightening on trying to travel far? What's good in "helping" us burn cell data faster and faster with advancing technology while billing us tighter and tighter for blocks of data we use? And note I know what's good about it for AT&T, Verizon, Apple, etc. I'm asking about us consumers. What's in that for us (other than less money to have to lug around in our wallets)? (and it's a rhetorical question).



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Ask yourself this: "why do I need LTE?" What about your use of iDevices demands the accelerated speed of data burn? If you can't come up with a very good reason for that (and there really isn't many for most people), kick that out of your requirements mix. If 3G is fast enough for how you use an iDevice, then you can get much better plans and save a lot of money.

We use NET10 on the AT&T network in iPhone 5. $45/month unlimited* everything (though unlimited* data is limited to 1500 MB). I don't believe we get LTE speed but we don't ever feel 3G is slow for all the things we do with our iDevices. In fact, some comparisons of an LTE iPad vs. 3G iPhone show so little difference that it seems negligible.

Think about it: where would higher data speed show most tangibly? In a big download such as buying a movie from iTunes. However, with data caps as they are, such a big download is going to get you to the cap pretty quickly. As little as 1 movie download can burn up the whole 2GB cap typical of the big 2 plans. So, what do you do? If you want to download something of size, you save that for when you have a wifi connection. If so, then you never really feel a huge tangible difference of 4G vs. 3G.

If you can say that you definitely must have LTE speed, then your choices are much more limited and you generally need to pay up to play.
 
....... We traded-in our 4S to T-Mobile which was applied to the loan. ......T-Mobile gave us a very fair trade-in amount. I checked around and most places would not even give us near what T-Mobile did. .........

Care to share how much?
Did you research the resale value of the 4S on ebay, then maybe you wouldn't see the value as being so fair?
 
Comparing a cost per customer with a cost per country has close to zero merit.
Why would you expect that cellphone service would cost 2200 times more in Germany than in Lichtenstein just because Germany is about 2200 times larger (and has 2200 times more inhabitants)?

Nobody said that.

Exaggeration = time waste
 
this sounds like a more expensive Straight Talk / NET 10 ATT SIM
ST / NET10 has HSPA+ So I imagine it's the same here..

No LTE on any US prepaid yet, so that's a given.

Actually MetroPCS has had LTE for a while. This is part of why TMobile merged with them. I typically see 3-6MBps Down and 5-10Mbps up and ping in the 80-100ms range. The only downside is that their 3G fallback is spotty and the fallback to their 3G is Sprint's 3G (poor Sprint, always getting kicked while they're down), followed by 1X. On the plus side I pretty much always have 4G and their $55 unlimited plan is a great deal.
 
Care to share how much?
Did you research the resale value of the 4S on ebay, then maybe you wouldn't see the value as being so fair?

Yes I looked at eBay. I saw sells in the range of $150 - $300 for a 32GB Sprint iPhone 4S. T-Mobile gave me $220. Yea, I could have gotten more through eBay but I also could have gotten less.
 
Actually MetroPCS has had LTE for a while. This is part of why TMobile merged with them. I typically see 3-6MBps Down and 5-10Mbps up and ping in the 80-100ms range. The only downside is that their 3G fallback is spotty and the fallback to their 3G is Sprint's 3G (poor Sprint, always getting kicked while they're down), followed by 1X. On the plus side I pretty much always have 4G and their $55 unlimited plan is a great deal.

Interesting, MetroPCS is not a MVNO eh? I had always theought they were a sprint MVNO and assumed they were bad in my area, since sprint is. Thanks for the correction. Do you have tmobiles/att AWS compatible iPhone 5?
 
Interesting, MetroPCS is not a MVNO eh? I had always theought they were a sprint MVNO and assumed they were bad in my area, since sprint is. Thanks for the correction. Do you have tmobiles/att AWS compatible iPhone 5?

No Metro was its own entity. Boost Mobile and Virgin Mobile are Sprint MNVOs.
 
I'll be switching mine over to Net10 (BYOP SIM cards on AT&T) starting next month. They don't put such silly restrictions on users, but clearly state AT&T-compatible phones and SIM BYOP customers are limited to 1.5GB per month.

Net10 is $50 per month, but offers a $5 discount for auto refill. Family plans can add a line for $40 per phone. If you have one phone, it's the same price as Straight Talk, but two or more phones is CHEAPER with Net10.

I found a Net10 SIM card bundle (AT&T: mini and micro SIMs and a T-Mobile SIM) on sale at Dollar General for $10.

You can buy Net10 AT&T sim cards on eBay for a buck.

You can buy $50 Net10 refills on eBay for $36-$38. I do it and they work fine.

I had nothing but frustrations with Straight Talk. Net10 has been excellent.
 
I don't see an advantage over ST, either. I am planning to move to ST once my contract runs out, unless I decide to upgrade to a new smartphone.

Just keep in mind, you'll get stuck with T-Mobile, since AT&T doesn't participate in Straight Talk anymore; current users only get to use the carrier. Maybe, this is the reason the bailed out of ST.
 
Was about to switch to net10 but will go with aio wireless. The $40 plan suits me well and I will save $50 a month over att. St and net 10 have zero customer service and are known to loose ported numbers and manipulate your account balance, and disconnect service for abuse that they won't define.
 
T-Mobile wins for family plan pricing, for sure, except that applies to post-paid only. The huge exception for T-Mobile would be the massive holes in usable data coverage. That's the only reason I haven't switched to T-Mobile.

There's a huge population that doesn't live in densely populated metro areas, which is T-Mobile's primary focus. Sad.


You're correct, while there are millions of people who live in sparsely populated areas of the country, the vast majority live in urbanized areas and I would venture to guess they stay within a 50-mile radius 95% of the time, hence T-Mobile has allocated resources there. It's a strategy similar to Apple's retail strategy.
 
You're correct, while there are millions of people who live in sparsely populated areas of the country, the vast majority live in urbanized areas and I would venture to guess they stay within a 50-mile radius 95% of the time, hence T-Mobile has allocated resources there. It's a strategy similar to Apple's retail strategy.

That makes sense, but here's part of the problem...

I live in the largest city between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg (Altoona), and we're still stuck with EDGE. That's a 200+ mile gap if you're driving from one to the other. The only places with 3G/4G between there are Indiana, PA (IUP): 50+ miles away and State College, PA (PSU): 45 miles away. Neither are the size of Altoona, but they have better coverage and 3G/4G.

If the argument is due to colleges, well... Altoona has a PSU campus, as well as about 10-12 other college/technical school locations in and around the area.

http://www.uscollegesearch.org/altoona-pennsylvania-colleges.html

Population of each:
Altoona, PA: 46,000+
State College, PA: 42,000+
Indiana, PA: 14,000+

Sprint launched LTE here a couple of months ago.

This is the argument I brought to the attention of T-Mobile's corporate office. It started with an email to John Legere, which he replied to. He forwarded our emails to the appropriate people, which they both replied, and it was resumed by a phone call made to me by a member of the corporate office team.

While I was assured it will be looked into for future planning, upgrades aren't on the map for the remainder of this year.

These are the types of gaps I'm mainly referring to, not the gaps you find traveling from one city to another.

Comparing T-Mobile's gaps to Apple's retail stores isn't exactly a good reference. I can buy Apple products at many retail stores and directly from Apple's website. Unfortunately, I can't do the same with T-Mobile's coverage.
 
Interesting, MetroPCS is not a MVNO eh? I had always theought they were a sprint MVNO and assumed they were bad in my area, since sprint is. Thanks for the correction. Do you have tmobiles/att AWS compatible iPhone 5?

Correct, they were independent up until the merger with TMobile. They just have a roaming agreement with Sprint for their 4G phones in LTE areas (3G phones apparently only get the interim MetroPCS 1x->EVDO upgraded towers).

No I have an Android phone (switched from an iPhone 3G two years ago when I got tired of paying AT&T $110 for the very minimum minute/text/data plans). I've been happy supporting the "little guy" so I haven't switched to one of the MVNOs. I might pick up a TMobile iPhone at some point now that they're the same company.
 
To anyone thinking that Net10 will not throttle or disconnect you for streaming video, you're incorrect.

20. NET10 UNLIMITED PLAN INTENDED USE
The NET10 Unlimited Plan may ONLY be used with a NET10 Phone for the following purposes: (i) Person to Person Voice Calls (ii) Text and Picture Messaging and (iii) Internet browsing and ordinary content downloads. The NET10 Unlimited Plan MAY NOT be used for certain unauthorized uses that adversely impact our service. Examples of unauthorized uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uninterrupted mobile to mobile or mobile to landline voice calls; (ii) automated text or picture messaging to another mobile device or e-mail address; (iii) uploading, downloading or streaming of uninterrupted continuous video; (iv) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (“P2P”) file sharing; or (v) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. A customer engaged in unauthorized uses may have his/her Service throttled and/or terminated . Customers will be provided notice and an opportunity to take corrective action with respect to unauthorized uses before their service is terminated.

The bolded parts are their emphasis, not mine.

Straight Talk's Terms and Conditions are as follows:

6. STRAIGHT TALK UNLIMITED TALK, TEXT AND MOBILE WEB ACCESS PLAN INTENDED USE: Straight Talk Unlimited Talk, Text and Mobile Web Access Plans may ONLY be used with a Straight Talk handset for the following purposes: (i) Person to Person Voice Calls (ii) Text and Picture Messaging and (iii) Internet browsing and ordinary content Downloads. The Straight Talk Unlimited Plan MAY NOT be used for certain unauthorized uses that adversely impact our service. Examples of unauthorized uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uninterrupted mobile to mobile or mobile to landline voice calls; (ii) automated text or picture messaging to another mobile device or e-mail address; (iii) uploading, downloading or streaming of uninterrupted continuous video; (iv) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing; or (v) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. A person engaged in unauthorized uses may have his/her service throttled and/or terminated. Customers will be provided notice and an opportunity to take corrective action with respect to unauthorized uses before their service is terminated.

As you can see, both Straight Talk and Net10 have the exact same TOS. ST and Net10 are run by the same companies (but not the exact same). Straight Talk is a creation of TracFone (owned by Mexican company America Movil) and Walmart. Net10 is simply TracFone. Basically, Net10 is Straight Talk without Walmart's inclusion.

You will not receive any different service on Net10 as you do on Straight Talk. They will will continue to throttle and stop your service, even if it does have a 1.5GB soft cap.

If you stream on Net10, you WILL be disconnected. Do not believe anyone who tells you otherwise.

Another thing is that Straight Talk does not sell AT&T cards (the reasons behind this are nothing more than rumors, no one REALLY knows the reason why...even TracFone is confused as to why AT&T forced the limitation on Net10) but they DO still provide service. You can find AT&T Straight Talk SIM cards on eBay (for outrageous prices, honestly). But if you want the same service, just go to Net10.

Because of America Movil simply having enough money and pull in the mobile world, they can actually afford to provide AT&T's postpaid coverage for both Straight Talk and Net10. So there IS a plus there. AT&T's prepaid coverage is a joke compared to their postpaid.

Sources: http://www.net10.com/content/terms_conditions.jsp
 
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