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Looks like the original link is bad. Can anyone paraphrase or correct the link?

By the way I love it when someone provides the link for verification but also quotes the important part of the text.

http://blogs.att.net/consumerblog/story/a7790084
 
They can do whatever they want to us since they give full access to the government and they in turn let them get away with anti consumer and anticompetitive practices.

I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't changing anything in contracts, except abiding by the 2 year term that everyone signs. The early upgrade was courtesy given to subscribers. But, lets be conspiratorial because the government is spying on us, so they are letting the carriers do whatever they want. Now where is my tinfoil hat. :p
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't changing anything in contracts, except abiding by the 2 year term that everyone signs. The early upgrade was courtesy given to subscribers. But, lets be conspiratorial because the government is spying on us, so they are letting the carriers do whatever they want. Now where is my tinfoil hat. :p

I'm not really sure, but I thought the every 18-20 month upgrades was written in the contracts. It was these early "yearly" upgrades that was never a real policy. If the every 20 month upgrades wasn't in the contract, why would they have to announce a new policy of every 24 month upgrades? In fact, sounds like a good reason to get out of your contract.
 
I'm not really sure, but I thought the every 18-20 month upgrades was written in the contracts. It was these early "yearly" upgrades that was never a real policy. If the every 20 month upgrades wasn't in the contract, why would they have to announce a new policy of every 24 month upgrades? In fact, sounds like a good reason to get out of your contract.

It's still a 2 year contract that was signed. They aren't changing the terms of the contract. They were allowing you upgrade early if signed a new 2 year contract. And if I recall, your tenure with AT&T determined if you were allowed an early upgrade or not.
 
Just add a line for the extra $10/mo and use the upgrade with that. I did this, and it costs me $10 extra/mo. Saves me $400 for the upgrade from full price and I can alternate upgrades between my lines and only costs $120 extra/year.
How does this work exactly. $10 extra a month but doesn't the new iPhone line also require a data plan adding around another $30? Isn't it really am extra $40 a month?
 
Ridiculous. But whatever.

Buy iPhone 5 - $200 on contract
Sell iPhone 5 - ~$500 used
Buy iPhone 5S - $450 w/ early upgrade

Profit extra :cool:
 
Won't affect me.

Every year, I get the new iPhone.

1 week before announcement, sell current iPhone for $650.

iPhone announced, pre-order later that week for $299+ $250 fee (AT&T Early upgrade).

Break even with eBay fees and taxes.

In the 2-3 weeks without iPhone, I put my SIM into a cheap prepaid AT&T phone from Best Buy. 30 Day Return Policy = Free Temporary Phone.
 
i still dont think you get it.

its not about launch day phones, its about getting phones more often than every two years.

getting a phone on launch day makes no difference. so what if someone bought a 4s in may of 2012? 24 month upgrade for them isnt any worse than it is for you:

May 2012: 4s
May 2014: 5s
May 2016: 6s

its still a new phone to the person buying it, nobody but the biggest fanboys care about launch day, which is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.


Well maybe he's a fanboy who likes to get his phones on launch day. I've had every iPhone on launch day since 07 and was subsidized on every one. Just because it doesn't apply to u doesn't make it irrelevant.
 
These new rules do not bode well for Apple. They will equate to less iPhones sold. And I feel Apple will be more affected by this than the makers of Android phones because I have the notion that iPhone owners have the expectation of an annual upgrade, why Android owners do not.

I'm surprised Apple is taking this laying down though. Or, perhaps they are not and these new rules are being made in response to the development of Apple's "low-cost" iPhone.

Apple has no say if AT&T or Verizon decide to pay for their customers upgrades every 18-20 months or every 24 months.
Apple is just the manufacturer and doesn't control whatever agreement goes on between you and your wireless carrier.
 
Won't affect me.

Every year, I get the new iPhone.

1 week before announcement, sell current iPhone for $650.

iPhone announced, pre-order later that week for $299+ $250 fee (AT&T Early upgrade).

Break even with eBay fees and taxes.

In the 2-3 weeks without iPhone, I put my SIM into a cheap prepaid AT&T phone from Best Buy. 30 Day Return Policy = Free Temporary Phone.

Sell on CL and avoid paying those outrageous fees.

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I wonder if this will still apply to iPhone users. Even though you sign a 2 year contract, AT&T has always allowed iPhone users to upgrade yearly on launch day. They usually just moved up the date automatically or you just called in and asked.

False. AT&T no longer pushes up upgrade dates for the iPhone. Been this way for at least 2 years.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't changing anything in contracts, except abiding by the 2 year term that everyone signs. The early upgrade was courtesy given to subscribers. But, lets be conspiratorial because the government is spying on us, so they are letting the carriers do whatever they want. Now where is my tinfoil hat. :p

I wouldn't say the carriers do whatever they want just now because of the spying thing that just got out.
The US carriers have been very anticonsumer and with many other bad practices for many many years while the government looked the other way and let them. The way its going is they keep giving us less choices and charging us more for service and devices. Whatever great idea one of them comes up with to nickel and dime us more the other one copies it and seems like they're going back and forth who's gonna come up with better ways to get more money from the customer while offering less. Its crazy:)
That's the big 2 that I'm talking about, Tmobile seems to be going the other way with better rates, offering unlimited data, no contracts and a cheaper monthly premium if you bring in your own device or buy your own phone in full.
It's very refreshing IMO.
 
Sell on CL and avoid paying those outrageous fees.

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False. AT&T no longer pushes up upgrade dates for the iPhone. Been this way for at least 2 years.

With all of the lowballers and flakes on craigslist... not to mention safety risks, I's rather pay eBay fees. Craigslist (at least in my area) always generates offers lower than eBay auctions. So the eBay fees are really a wash... plus I avoid headaches.
 
Of course getting a phone on launch day makes a difference.

If I bought an iPhone 5 in October 2012... why the hell would I even need an early upgrade since the next iPhone Im going to get is in October 2014?

If anything an early upgrade (20 months instead of 24) would fall under July 2014 and do me no good since I'm going to wait for the next iPhone in October (24 months later) anyways.

Not sure why what I'm saying is so hard to understand -

Guess what? I bought a 4S on launch day.

October 2012: 4S
May 2013, early upgrade time: 5
Next planned upgrade: iPhone 6 in December 2014, which will be just a couple months after it's released.

See what I did there? 3 phones out of 4 released by using early upgrades, even as a launch day 4S owner. if you want to forfeit your early upgrades and only get phones every two years anyway and only get every other phone, so be it, but not all of us do that...a lot of us want to use the upgrades as they come and ultimately end up getting more generations of the phone.

Again, launch day has nothing to do with it.
 
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I used to love ATT and defended them to everyone that talked **** about them but now I just despise them. Upgrade charges, mobility charge, getting rid of the middle texting plans, no facetime over cellular, no hangouts over cellular, just about every other sneaky move they pull off in order to make money. On the plus side, i've never had problems with the service and their customer service (at the call center, their in store service is HORRIBLE) is stellar.
 
I wouldn't say the carriers do whatever they want just now because of the spying thing that just got out.
The US carriers have been very anticonsumer and with many other bad practices for many many years while the government looked the other way and let them. The way its going is they keep giving us less choices and charging us more for service and devices. Whatever great idea one of them comes up with to nickel and dime us more the other one copies it and seems like they're going back and forth who's gonna come up with better ways to get more money from the customer while offering less. Its crazy:)
That's the big 2 that I'm talking about, Tmobile seems to be going the other way with better rates, offering unlimited data, no contracts and a cheaper monthly premium if you bring in your own device or buy your own phone in full.
It's very refreshing IMO.

The problem is TMO can't compete in coverage with 3G, let alone 4G/LTE with Verizon or AT&T. They have to offer those things just to compete. The other issue with carriers are tech differences, i.e. CDMA vs GSM. In other countries where it most likely is GSM only, it's a lot easier to BYOD because you have 3-4 choices of carrier.
 
How does this work exactly. $10 extra a month but doesn't the new iPhone line also require a data plan adding around another $30? Isn't it really am extra $40 a month?

Nope. You use the extra line for the upgrade, and use the phone on your existing iPhone line. The extra line just turns into a dummy line.
 
Won't affect me.

Every year, I get the new iPhone.

1 week before announcement, sell current iPhone for $650.

iPhone announced, pre-order later that week for $299+ $250 fee (AT&T Early upgrade).

Break even with eBay fees and taxes.

In the 2-3 weeks without iPhone, I put my SIM into a cheap prepaid AT&T phone from Best Buy. 30 Day Return Policy = Free Temporary Phone.

Sounds like that early upgrade you mentioned will be going away.
 
The problem is TMO can't compete in coverage with 3G, let alone 4G/LTE with Verizon or AT&T. They have to offer those things just to compete. The other issue with carriers are tech differences, i.e. CDMA vs GSM. In other countries where it most likely is GSM only, it's a lot easier to BYOD because you have 3-4 choices of carrier.

I hear you on that.
They are way behind on coverage when it comes to hspa+ and LTE compared to the big 2.
Hope they can catch up down the road. As far as Sprint goes I don't see it all. They're a lost cause:D
 
Sounds like that early upgrade you mentioned will be going away.

Screencap of AT&T's very own blog post:
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