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I still can't believe that we are paying cell phone service by the minute. It's 2010 and we're still charging for minutes? What is this, 1994 with internet service from AOL??
Ah, 1994.

No SMS
No MMS
No data
No free long-distance (you paid long distance rates in addition to using your plan minutes)
No nationwide service (you paid roaming if you left your local area)
In some areas, there was a "connect fee", per call, to call a land-line
You got 45 minutes of talk-time for $40
No free nights/weekends

Here's a Sprint brochure from 1998. Check out the guide on the bottom left, it's pretty funny.
lastscanid3.jpg
 
Ah, 1994.

No SMS
No MMS
No data
No free long-distance (you paid long distance rates in addition to using your plan minutes)
No nationwide service (you paid roaming if you left your local area)
In some areas, there was a "connect fee", per call, to call a land-line
You got 45 minutes of talk-time for $40
No free nights/weekends

Here's a Sprint brochure from 1998. Check out the guide on the bottom left, it's pretty funny.
lastscanid3.jpg

LOL Love it...

Here's some nostalgia for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP07YQodvCs
 
All I know is this; thank gawwwd I don't need the 3G Microcell for a service that "I'M ALREADY PAYING FOR!" AT&T doesn't "nickel & dime" you; they go in for the KILL right off the bat....:eek::eek::eek:

That actually made very little sense.

*if* you need the microcell, than you are not already paying for the service you want. That is what the microcell represents, paying for a service you want.
The bonus is that it's just a one time payment (with a possible rebate).

The bonus is that if you want to ditch you land line, and whatever that costs you, you can go for the option of paying $20 a month for UNLIMITED calling from home, which rivals some of the best deals anywhere.

Again, if you have service in your home, which you are paying for, than you don't need the microcell, and no one is forcing you to buy it :)
 
Wait...if I'm within WiFi range, why do I need hardware....wouldn't a VoIP app work?

Yes, a voip app would work... If you have a phone that can run a voip app.

However the microcell broadcasts a 3G cell signal, so any AT&T phone (that you authorize) can use it. In addition, any calls to your regular cell phone number would ring through like a normal call. Something a voip app can't pull off.

It may (unconfirmed) also transition between the microcell and a cell tower seamlessly. This would allow you to take a call driving, go home, and walk into your basement.

If you think of it like buying an Apple Base station for all your phones, it's not half bad.
 
AT&T is 2 steps behind

If they brought to the market the MicroCell by the time they start servicing the iPhone, AT&T would not only have few complains damaging their reputation, but also they would of have a better market share, now so late in the game, by the time people start getting these devices in their houses, they will find out that all other carriers will be offering 4G across the country which is more powerful. And most likely, sooner than later possibly this extension devices for 4G too with much more options.

History has shown once more that ... AT&T... unless you get your ass in gear you are on the way of extinction.
 
does anyone know if this works with non 3g

I can't imagine it not working with a non-3G phone.
Besides, most phones in the last few years are 3G phones, even if they don't make use of data.

or non internet phones?

Certainly. The Microcell router is broadcasting a radio frequency unique to cell phones (3G, etc), not the frequency used by short range computer devices (801.11 a/b/g/e).
 
If they brought to the market the MicroCell by the time they start servicing the iPhone, AT&T would not only have few complains damaging their reputation

I don't live in a problem area, but I don't think that is the case. Most people know if they have cell reception in their house or not (which is what this device provides). However the troubles that I was reading about were based on an entire AREA, and people use their phones outside of their house more than inside. Also it would pose a bigger problem for most people being unable to use their cell phone on the road, than at their house. I doubt if everyone had this device that complaints would have been all that much fewer.

but also they would of have a better market share, now so late in the game, by the time people start getting these devices in their houses, they will find out that all other carriers will be offering 4G across the country which is more powerful.

Huh? wtf you talking about? Seriously, read what you just wrote. How long do you think it'll take those that want this device, to get it in their home? Since a few posters here on this thread ALREADY have one, I'm thinking not that long.
Do you have any clue how long it's going to take every US telco to roll out 4G across their entire coverage area? YEARS. Some of them don't even have partial 4G coverage.

And besides, we are again talking about the HOME. I have a friend with in floor heating, which uses a slightly less dense concrete slab on all 3 floors. No 4G tower is ever going to give them reception, but this device will.

Besides, do we know for sure that these devices are not 4G ready? Or that in reality, the communication throughput from one of these things to a device does not out pace out and about 3G speeds?

Of course, when I'm at home I just used my wireless router, which knocks the socks off of 4G, so I could care less about having 4G in my house, as long as my cell phone can make/receive calls.
 
It took 15 minutes to setup, and for the first time in two years, I'm now able to use my iPhone in my home. :D (closest 3G tower to my house is 9 miles away)

I'm dropping Vonage, and paying for the unlimited plan. Saves $9/month and after rebate cost me $50 for the device. Not a bad deal.
 
It took 15 minutes to setup, and for the first time in two years, I'm now able to use my iPhone in my home. :D (closest 3G tower to my house is 9 miles away)

I'm dropping Vonage, and paying for the unlimited plan. Saves $9/month and after rebate cost me $50 for the device. Not a bad deal.

Quoting you because others really need to read and digest what you just wrote.

Glad to hear it works for you. Do you have reception outside your house? If so, can you tell us if your phone transitions between cell tower and microcell while making a call?
 
Quoting you because others really need to read and digest what you just wrote.

Glad to hear it works for you. Do you have reception outside your house? If so, can you tell us if your phone transitions between cell tower and microcell while making a call?

Thanks!

No, err kinda. While I have a Scottsdale AZ address, I'm in a fairly remote area right on the Tonto Nat'l Forest. Three miles from pavement. T-Mobil provides much of the rural coverage for AT&T here in AZ, and if I go up on my deck I can get a bar. If I use a BT headset, I can make and maintain a call, BUT pick the phone up, or otherwise move it and the call will fail.

So, I really can't answer the hand-off question.
 
Quoting you because others really need to read and digest what you just wrote.

Glad to hear it works for you. Do you have reception outside your house? If so, can you tell us if your phone transitions between cell tower and microcell while making a call?

I setup mine today in my office. It does transition from MicroCell to an ATT tower but not from a tower to the MicroCell. It does mention that in the instruction manual.

So far it has been working really great. I don't have an outside window in my office so I don't know if eventually it is going to stop working because it doesn't have a GPS signal. But I can move it to another room. Coverage is really good even with our concrete walls.

Donald :)
 
Wait...if I'm within WiFi range, why do I need hardware....wouldn't a VoIP app work?

As long as you don't want your iPhone to ring normally when you're running some other app and somebody calls you (or texts you) thru the number you got from AT&T.

Being able to ring your iPhone when someone calls you thru an AT&T routed number, then letting you run another app while you're still on that call is what you're really paying for.

If you don't want to pay more than 1 AT&T minute, you could just hang-up after telling the caller to switch to VOIP. Most people don't want to explain that to their grandma or their business customers.
 
You missed my point someplace. I agree with that 100%. However, just like Apple, I don't expect those new technologies to be given to me for free or at a loss for the company. For example, Apple had the Airport Base Station, right? Well that didn't cover my entire house. Later they came out with the Airport Express, which extended coverage to the corners of my house. I didn't demand that Apple give it to me for free because their Base Station was inadaquit to begin with (for my house), or that they should just make their base station better so that AE's aren't needed. This is the EXACT same radio wave technology. I don't think I need to explain this to you.

Your scenario is invalid, you are describing a device you paid for once not a service you pay for monthly, which is very different. Your scenario I expect them to continue to update their products driver/software as needed and as reasonable. The scenario of cell service I expect them to continue to grow, provide more services, be competitive, lower costs when applicable, etc...



And they will do so, only if it's a good business decision. Currently this thing, without rebate, isn't far off from the price of an Apple base station. What if you found out that AT&T was selling these things at a loss?

While I highly doubt they are selling them at a loss, I would still have the same opinion. Though it may help me feel more sympathetic and less annoyed.


I see this repeated over and over on here, and I think it's a common misconception. The POINT of the microcell as I see it is to provide service to locations that will never see service. They are meant to cover basements, and other areas where there is no cell reception. This does not mean that AT&T doesn't have a strong interest and incentive to put a tower up to provide cell service to your street.

People are viewing the microcell as a substitute for cell towers, and to me it's clearly not.

The “real” microcells in malls and such aren't just there because they might not be able to cover the entire area. They are designed to offload heavy cell traffic so that cars don't have issues when driving when they handover calls/data to nearby cell sites, thus reducing dropped calls and data loss when driving.

The potential for these femtocells is that they could eventually be used more commonly to also service not only our own homes and businesses but also others who are nearby thus further reducing the saturation on cell sites. It's just a question of how feasible it is, the main potential issue being that they're trusting the user's network connection not to fail.

That's true, microcells ( femtocells ) are not a replacement for towers, which is also why AT&T still needs to ensure they've got good coverage.

And if you are in the business as you say, I'm sure you are aware that this is exactly what is happening. In the functional sense, Repeaters and microtowers have been around for a while to provide a cell signal to places like the inside of malls and other locations where a cell tower is just never going to reach. Technology has advanced to the point where for only $150 (instead of thousands upon thousands) you can now do the same thing to your own home. This is exactly the kind of advancement in technology you are asking for. Why you think it's not worth paying for I don't honestly understand. But as with all new tech, if it's not worth it to you now, wait a year or two and the cost will come down.

It's worth paying a reasonable cost ( which isn't $150 ), but it's still in their best interest to provide them cheap or free because it will offload their cell resources which cost much more money.

...

And it does work in "most" places. It certainly works more places than it did 5 years ago, or even last year.

Actually I've found that they've gotten worse in some respects, not so much data wise. When Cingular bought AT&T Wireless is when they had great coverage. As time went on and AT&T bought Cingular ( yes confusing to those who don't know ) they started taking down the “redundant” cell sites. Which obviously was going to happen. The last time I went to the East coast a few years back it was much worse, dropped calls & spotty coverage on major highways. I almost thought I was using TMobile again, it was that bad.

As of lately I've been having delayed voicemail and text messages, mainly because I terrible service at home, but it was never this bad. When I get service back it sometimes takes hours to give me my voicemail indicator and text messages ( which is not acceptable ).


Certainly! And you should attempt to reason with your company on a business level to see if you can't create change that is beneficial to both parties. However there are people are here that are complaining to OTHER costumers, demanding free sh*t as if the heavens promised them at birth cheap free and perfect cell service, and somehow through the evil that is telco they have been cheated out of their birth right.

Oh yeah, I forgot one. You also try and influence other people and customers as well. I did this with AOL many years ago, many people canceled their service in my area directly due to me and my friend. Strangely we had no more busy signals when connecting after that.
 
this product should have been released with the iPhone 3G

instead, they release it almost 2 years later. F*** at&t
 
Well if "they" say it, then "they" must be telling the truth right?

Honestly, there is a whole lot of whining in this thread. These microcells fulfill a need. If you don't want one, don't buy one. For those who are in poor reception areas, these are great.

Incidentally Vodafone have recently rolled one of these out in the UK which they are calling Vodafone Sure Signal.

This is not whining, it is just a question. "Don't buy it" is not always a solution esp. if the cells cause problems outside of buildings.

An important difference may be the wide use of GSM900 in Europe. This has much longer range than GSM 1900 (USA) or the similar GSM 1800 (used by some networks in Europe). GSM900 esp performs much bettor indoors. If you really live in a place in Germany that is not covered by GSM900 it may be difficult (or impossible or very expensive) to get a broadband connection there, so you cannot use a microcell anyway. It may be a solution for places that are too "shielded" from outside signals even on 900 MHz. Since there is no GSM900 in the US, there is probably more need for it.

3G coverage in buildings is limited here too, of course. But I think it makes much more sense to use WiFi instead. You need the broadband connection (and router) anyway and devices like the iPhone have WiFi, too.

Christian
 
If they brought to the market the MicroCell by the time they start servicing the iPhone, AT&T would not only have few complains damaging their reputation, but also they would of have a better market share, now so late in the game, by the time people start getting these devices in their houses, they will find out that all other carriers will be offering 4G across the country which is more powerful. And most likely, sooner than later possibly this extension devices for 4G too with much more options.

History has shown once more that ... AT&T... unless you get your ass in gear you are on the way of extinction.

That would on of done anything for them. The orginal iPhone can not work with the MicroCell. The lovely draw back to TDMA is it is much more difficult to get a microcell to work with it so AT&T choose not to bother and requires the CDMA 3G to work.

I think it is funny people are getting so up in arms about this and blaming AT&T for crappy service. I have a friend who inside her home cell server sucks and I am lucky to get 1 bar but if I step just out side I get full bars. Please do not tell me some one should expect great cell service inside that house because it is not going to happen due to the metal in the roofing killing cell signals. They use Verizon because it punches threw the interference of the home a lot better than the GSM players but even it has some minor problems. That home is one of those places were a microcell would work great due to the design of the home.

As for people screaming about it using your minutes. Come on really? It is not like you many are hurting for minutes any how. I know when I was on my own I ran cell only on the LOWEST minute plan from AT&T and I still had over 3k roll over minutes. Think about when you make the most phone calls on your cell any how, you are either away from your home or it is in N&W mode, that or that lovely M2M category.
 
Piss off ATT! fix your network and then we wont have indoor issues. This really ticks me off to no end! Charge me more because your service blows! I DONT THINK SO!
 
Bought one!

We have one here at the office now. Just unboxed it, plugged it in, and...


...the instructions after plugging it in are:

"Wait 90 minutes. You have completed your part. Relax and give your 3G MicroCell time to complete system configuration and 3G service activation."

So I'm on minute 14 now. Tick, tock, tick, tock....
 
Piss off ATT! fix your network and then we wont have indoor issues. This really ticks me off to no end! Charge me more because your service blows! I DONT THINK SO!

You don't read very well, do you. Move along. I am sure ATT will not miss you.
 
I think it is funny people are getting so up in arms about this and blaming AT&T for crappy service. I have a friend who inside her home cell server sucks and I am lucky to get 1 bar but if I step just out side I get full bars. Please do not tell me some one should expect great cell service inside that house because it is not going to happen due to the metal in the roofing killing cell signals. They use Verizon because it punches threw the interference of the home a lot better than the GSM players but even it has some minor problems. That home is one of those places were a microcell would work great due to the design of the home.

As for people screaming about it using your minutes. Come on really? It is not like you many are hurting for minutes any how. I know when I was on my own I ran cell only on the LOWEST minute plan from AT&T and I still had over 3k roll over minutes. Think about when you make the most phone calls on your cell any how, you are either away from your home or it is in N&W mode, that or that lovely M2M category.

This topic has more vile ranting than healthcare! Sprint nor Verizon were bashed at all when they offered the same thing (though Sprint does seem to give theirs away easily).

Please negative people - PAY YOUR ETF's AND MOVE ALONG. As I have seen posted elsewhere, speak with your wallets. If ATT is not working good enough for you, leave them and don't pay for it any longer. As far as I am concerned, you are the problem if you want to continue to pay for sub-par service.
 
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