AT&T should throttle "unlimited" users at 20gigs and when it does it should be at 1.5

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  1. Bobby Corwen, Nov 15, 2014
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    Bobby Corwen macrumors 68030

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    How ridiculous is that, right? They sell us unlimited --but then its not unlimited!

    Oh! Supposedly its only the speed that is limited right? Well I thought it was unlimited! Why are you limiting my speeds?

    Even the word used: "THROTTLE"

    It is defined as: attack or kill (someone) by choking or strangling them.

    They are choking us out at .5 mbps just because we stayed with their carrier.

    ...And after only 5GB which today is nothing. Back when they first established the data plans, they gave us unlimited data, and severely limited minutes. Now that we don't talk on the phone anymore, they give us unlimited talk minutes, but severely limit data.

    Makes sense because back then, we were using so little data that it seemed like a good deal to give a ton of data and charge more than 10$ or 20$ for it because the bandwidth could not be abused with the transfer rates of old.

    Now that that has changed, I think the limits could and should be based on a more usable throttling model. The current throttling model makes it a punishment for staying grandfathered. A punishment beyond a necessary or reasonable degree for bandwidth specifically. (Its not from the point of view of looking at bandwidth capacity and working backwards to fill it just enough so there is no congestion, but rather the point of view of money and getting people pushed off and onto more expensive and limited tiered data plans.)

    Well the ability to stream youtube lies somewhere just between .5 mbps and 1.5 mbps. So as a throttled user, you would still be able to use all the features on your device such as streaming video -- which is the main thing you can't do now while being throttled. 1.5mpbs is decent enough to use your device, but is also just still a drop in the ocean compared to 30-50mbps LTE at regular paid speeds which is what is really abusing the network. Not some insignificant 0.5/1.5 mbps usage.

    Then also the throttling should not punish you until after at least 20GB because 5GB is gone in a couple weeks now if you stream in the car.

    I went over my limit in six days during this billing cycle, doing the same stuff I used to on iPhone 5S which lasted most of the month without getting to 5GB.

    I think these type of limits are more realistically fair and usable to consumers, while also maintaining a useable network thats still not too congested and would probably behave no different than it does today.

    The throttling could be even more reasonable, maybe with an engaged alogarigthm that splits it into nights-and-weekends-data to alleviate more from the day and give more freedom at night during off-peak hours when they can afford the space. Like maybe you're only throttled till 7 or 9 and then its back to full speed. Or maybe tiered throttling where only the more you use and abuse it does it limit you in progressively restricting tiers.

    We can treat it just like we did when we were desperate for more minutes and pushing the system to its limit by alleviating the peaks and encouraging use during down time and so on...

    It should be only enough to protect their bandwidth potential but still let you feel like you are mostly un-throttled as long as you're within reason and not abusing it.
     
  2. Hal~9000 macrumors 68000

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    But if they did that then customers on unlimited plans wouldn't get fed up and change it to the more expensive family share plans as easily...

    [​IMG]
     
  3. nostresshere macrumors 68030

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    Oh my. Oh golly, gee whiz.

    Somebody decided to start ANOTHER thread about unlimited. How many of these are needed.

    Really?

    (if you do not like the plan they are offering, move elsewhere)
     
  4. lordofthereef macrumors G5

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    There can, and often are, multiple definitions and uses to a word. Throttle would be one of those examples....

    Not saying I disagree with the sentiment that unlimited shouldn't be throttled. But the choice of the definition here is sensational, at best, and downright incorrect.

    Both ATT and Verizon need to just drop their unlimited plans if this is their stance on unlimited, Imo
     
  5. mtneer macrumors 68020

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    AT&T charges ~$100 for 20GB and $30 for 5GB (aka Unlimited). Unless they raise the rates of the unlimited plan to be comparable with the 20GB plan, they will lose money by taking up the OP's proposal.
     
  6. alent1234 macrumors 603

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    the original unlimited plan dates back to when using 5GB in a month was very hard, so you aren't really being ripped off
     
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  8. KPOM macrumors G5

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    Well then they should have called them 5GB plans back in 2006 when they sold them to us.
     
  9. Menel Suspended

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    AT&T should throttle "unlimited" users at 20gigs and when it does it should b...

    I cant even imagine how I would use 5gb in a month?

    Downloading Linux ISO?
    Liberal with Netflix watching? I don't even know. But it certainly doesn't fit the typical and reasonable mobile uses the network is designed for.

    OP sounds like an example of an abusive asshat who goes out of his way to ruin the nice things everyone else gets access to.
     
  10. alent1234 macrumors 603

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    for youtube unless you are streaming the dumb make a fool of yourself videos, just download what you want to watch for offline.
     
  11. krashx7 macrumors regular

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    While it may seem hard for YOU to imagine, some of us get to that 5 gb very easily. I watch a lot of youtue and thinks like that when I have downtime at work. I stream music as well. If my internect connection at home poops out I whip out my phone and watch something on it. I hand my phone to my kid on long card rides so she can watch a movie or two. It all adds up very very fast. Just because YOU dont use very much data doesnt not mean that being throttled at 5 gigs is a reasonable thing to do. AT&T is a pretty **** company and everyone knows it. Instead of using their money to upgrade their infastructure, they nickel and dime their customers for more of it with shady business tactics like this. Im not saying you are defending them.. But you certainly seem a little missinformed my friend.
     
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    Another abuser trying his/her best to ruin things for the rest of us. Thank you for clarifying.

    Video content, movies and such, use a ridiculous amount of bandwidth, and its constant. Locking down a portion of the spectrum from use by others. Its a total douchebag move. Wireless is limited and people have to share. Thats the entire reason for the tight bandwidth limits on wireless vs wired.
     
  13. krashx7 macrumors regular

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    Wrong. Bandwidth is not a limited resource. It's not like they say hey guys we only have two buckets of bandwidth over here we are about to run out! We better start capping these users!! Data caps are in place simply to make the company more money. That is the bottom line. Its all about the money. Bandwith doesnt run out lol. I suppose you are all for companies like time warner and cox, at&t, verizon and other isp providers capping your internet at 30 gigs per month as well? (it's coming by the way) They are literally holding the industry back with this practice when they SHOULD be upgrading their infastracture. That is how we move forward as a whole.

    Just another missinformed person out there who doesnt even know what net neutrality means. People need to wake up I swear. If you literally think badwidith is a limited resource you have know idea what you're even talking about lol.
     
  14. aristobrat macrumors G5

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    I use Cox Cable and AT&T.

    Back in 2007, the fastest my iPhone went was something like 200kbps down, and my cable modem topped out at 15mbps down.

    Nowadays, I've seen my iPhone top out at 50mbps down, and my cable modem regularly hits 100mbps down.

    I don't pay either company significantly more per month now than I do then.

    Seems like they HAVE upgraded their infrastructures.
     
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    AT&T should throttle "unlimited" users at 20gigs and when it does it should b...

    Stop putting words I didn't say in my mouth, or ill have to ignore list you.

    Look back at what you quoted, and try your reading comprehension skills again on the sentences where I referred to constant use and locking down spectrum.

    Bandwidth limits are a means to limit the constant use which locks down spectrum.

    Has nothing to do with backend infrastructure, they can throw money at that with wired. Not wireless.

    We aren't talking about net neutrality, your confusion is leading you off on a tangent.
     
  16. krashx7 macrumors regular

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    wireless and wired huh..lol What do you think is feeding those wireless cell phone towers. Magical fairy dust? They are essential wired via fiber optic lines. Ignore me all you want. I can't talk to a person who doesnt even understand how this tech works. Maybe you work for AT&T or something or you legitamately think data caps are a good thing? I dunno..

    By the way what we are are talking about falls under the catagory of net neutrality. Again, you obviously dont know what your talking about lol

    Just keep on defending AT&T. You da man!
     
  17. nikhsub1 macrumors 68010

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    Wondering if the OP just woke up from a coma. There have been elventybillion threads on this for years. If you think yours is more enlightening you are wrong.
     
  18. bunnicula macrumors 68040

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    I absolutely agree that (if the capacity is available at the time) people should not be throttled.

    I also think that people on unlimited should be throttled before people who pay for specific amounts of data when the traffic IS busy and there's a burden on the network.

    I don't think anyone with a lower rate unlimited plan should be promised as much data as a person paying over 3x that much for that data, so the 20 GB idea doesn't make sense.

    I also think this topic has been beaten like a red headed stepchild.
     
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    AT&T should throttle "unlimited" users at 20gigs and when it does it should b...

    Ive done some googling of publicly available info to help you.

    Dumbed down cnn article about spectrum limitations.
    http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/21/technology/spectrum_crunch/

    Harvard presentation on how frequency time and code division multiplexing works on CDMA/gsm wireless technologies.
    http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~mdw/course/cs263/fa04/notes/mac.pdf#search=""cell tower" max capacity"

    1 of several ETSI publications on the multiplexing used for LTE.
    http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/136200_136299/136212/10.00.00_60/ts_136212v100000p.pdf

    Again, locking down an x-mhz chunk of spectrum for some constant bandwidth consuming video stream is a douchebag, entitlement generation, move over such a finite medium which has to be shared.

    Bandwidth limits are all about discouraging this asshattery behavior.

    If 500 people in a small enough region, easy to imagine in dense population areas with apartment and condo living, were doing this, the airwaves would be ****ed. It often happens at major sporting and such events... If You want it to be all the time, keep it up.
     
  20. barkomatic macrumors 68040

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    What is "typical" and "reasonable" has obviously evolved over the past few years. All mobile devices were designed to stream video content so regardless of how much data that uses its a reasonable use.

    Also, since all the major carriers sell data plans with very large limits, such as 20, 30 or 50Gb's it suggests that they fully recognize that on average people are using a lot more data.

    The term "abuse" is only used with regard to the economic relationship a customer has with a carrier. It's a manipulative term when it comes to this issue. You'll never ever hear a carrier call someone who uses up their 50GB data plan every month an abuser--because they are paying a fortune for it.

    in other countries unlimited data plans are sold--or plans with very high limits--for far less than what we pay here and the networks are fine and the carriers still make bank. This shortage of data is entirely artificial at this point.
     
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    AT&T should throttle "unlimited" users at 20gigs and when it does it should b...

    1. Apple and samsung design the mobile phones, this thread is not about them. And totally independent from wireless infrastructure and spectrum.

    2. Has very little, to nothing to do with data. Backend wired data is easy.

    You have major disconnects in your reasoning.
     
  22. krashx7 macrumors regular

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    LOL dude do you really think its not about the money? They HAVE the money to upgrade their infastructure but they are not doing it. Data caps are not the answer to moving the industry forward. People are going to be using more and more data as we progress as a society. This practice literally holds everything back. What part of that are you not getting man?? Its not about everyone saying hey guys lets all take it easy and not use this bandwidth we pay for the way we really want to because hey we all gotta share! Its about them taking the resouces they have and MOVING the industry FORWARD. It's corprate greed. Nothing more. Unlimited data should be unlimited data. Period.

    Since you posted some useless links here is one for you to read. Wake up!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ney-for-infrastructure-upgrades-no-it-doesnt/
     
  23. KPOM macrumors G5

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    I managed to exceed 5GB recently, mostly as a result of streaming iTunes radio in a rental car that didn't have satellite radio. I travel a lot for work. Regular e-mail and usage accounts for about 1-2GB per month. I read my newspapers (WSJ, Economist, etc.) online. I use hotel wi-fi as much as I can, but it can be slow or unreliable.

    In any case, AT&T and Verizon are happy to sell 15GB and 30GB mobile share plans for as few as 2 users, so obviously they can see people downloading that much.
     
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    I give you this, that IS a useless link.

    You keep making these odd jumps back to wired networks and net neutrality.
    It makes no sense. Im not gonna follow the apples to oranges jumping and try to make sense of it. There is nothing logical to discuss.

    Stay ignorant, done with you.
     
  25. krashx7 macrumors regular

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    It uses the same connection to the internet my friend. Again, your phones internet comes from a wired connection some where down the line. They are one in the same. Keep on thinking your wireless LTE service is provided by magical fairy dust. I wonder what you do for a living... You must say 'Would you like an apple turn over with that?' on a regular basis. Let us know when your bucket of bandwidth runs out maybe someone can loan you some.
     

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