Try to keep this short as possible. I used a full upgrade on April 28th to purchase the white IP4. When I use At&t's website to get an upgrade status it says I am not due for any discounts until 11/29/2012. When I use apple's website it says I can do an early upgrade on 11/25/2011. I called At&t earlier and asked them what was up. The representative said that she could see in the system I was do for an early upgrade on Oct. 25, 2011, and so that's the date she moved it to. I didn't even bother asking about the above two dates and their discrepancies. I'm assuming the Oct. 25th date is my early upgrade after 6 months (180 days actually) with At&t. Since there is no way to preorder or order the phone until Oct. 25th, I figure I will be waiting until roughly late November until I am able to receive one. I know it's greasy, and I would only do it to secure an iPhone 4S at an earlier date, but what if I: Preordered an unsubsidized 16GB for 650 this Friday and returned it within 30 days so that I would be able to use my early upgrade and "re-purchase" a 4S for 200 bucks less. I know a lot of others who were early IP4 buyers in June that won't have upgrades until November...just curious as what others thought, if it's even do-able. That being said, people who are complaining about the 4S not being a decent upgrade can ******* off. -First post, complete.