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AT&T's policies are inconsistent across their customer base.

A good number of their call receipt agents make up answers as they go, and are completely arbitrary adding their personality to problem resolution.

Whatever they tell you about their customer satisfaction statistics those numbers go right down the toilet every time there is an significant upgrade event.

They do this dance year after year and still never address the root causes of all this customer angst.

SET Expectations.
Fix the premier site.
Bring back One Year plans for those who need that yearly upgrade.
 
At least they let us keep our unlimited plans unlike Verizon... Still Verizon, Much better coverage bar none.
 
I wouldn't mind so much if AT&T treated everyone the same. But since they treat everyone differently and since you managed to get treated well, would you care to tell us what you said to persuade the rep so that the rest of us can get in on the credits?

I told them exactly what said here.
 
Finally a chance to leave ATT and we're taking it!

Sorry to lose my unlimited 3g plans, but I've have been through it with them since the original iPhone - and too large of an amount of my life has been spent on the phone for one reason or another with them - they just don't care, so I really don't care to stay with them.

Two Verizon 32 gb iPhones on the way!
 
Another success story for $250 upgrade fee waived (actually credited to my account). Anyhow, I figured I would try and so I called. I've been with AT&T for 13 years straight. Plus I have a corporate account for some time. So I used those two arguments and told them I showed loyalty for 13 years and was hoping to get a break on this Upgrade fee. They honored it and made me a happy customer. Thanks AT&T :p This is why I stay!
 
So let me get this straight...you say AT&T made $3K per year off of you but you got 5 new iphones per year so subtract $2,250 for subsidy and then you sold the old phones (don't know how much you got but let's say $500 total) and you're complaining because they aren't showing loyalty? Unbelievable!

I am a very selfish person
-Not being sarcastic
Guess we had it pretty good and got used to it! http://cdn.macrumors.com/vb/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
the problem is that on top of the phone price, it is $286 (250+36 upgrade fee) to early upgrade on AT&T, but the early termination fee for those who bought 4S at launch is $215. it seems a bit silly that AT&T would rather lose customers than have an early upgrade fee of $175 or so.

I don't get where you are getting that amount for early termination fee. I had to add a line this year to get the new iphone. I upgraded last year to get the 4S when it came out, and it was something around $325 early termination fee, give or take. And $10 off for each month you fullfill your contract.

EDIT: I dont remember if those were the exact figures, but i know it was more than $200 for the early termination fee, and each month you fulfill your contract they took some off.
 
AT&T's policies are inconsistent across their customer base.

A good number of their call receipt agents make up answers as they go, and are completely arbitrary adding their personality to problem resolution.

Whatever they tell you about their customer satisfaction statistics those numbers go right down the toilet every time there is an significant upgrade event.

They do this dance year after year and still never address the root causes of all this customer angst.

SET Expectations.
Fix the premier site.
Bring back One Year plans for those who need that yearly upgrade.

Correction: AT&T's policies are absolutely consistent across their consumer base. Their exceptions to those policies are not.

I don't mind when someone is smug when he gets what he wants. I do mind when people get angry when they have to accept what they agreed to.
 
Just to clarify, I did not get the 250 upgrade waved nor did I get 250 worth of credits, but enough to make me feel my business is apreciated and ease the pain of the price of an iPhone 5. I guess being loyal does payoff, that or 10,000 rollover minutes.


How many Shills do you think are on this forum?
 
Correction: AT&T's policies are absolutely consistent across their consumer base. Their exceptions to those policies are not.

I don't mind when someone is smug when he gets what he wants. I do mind when people get angry when they have to accept what they agreed to.

No they are NOT consistent, and the exceptions even less.

Consumer is told one thing, and at that those with different plans another.
Then there is FAN, each company and organization can have their own special set of rules.
Last but not least the 'account execs' turn it all up side down on a routine basis.

As for agreement do not confuse it with INFORMED consent.

My point, customers can always be entitled and unhappy but AT&T is not doing near enough to resolve the pain upfront.
 
ok, I created an account just to add to this post, haha...

I am not quite the guy that feel entitled to anything, I left my country 10 years ago to live in the US, in order to leave a country with such an entitlement culture.
After years of hard work, I now own my own business, and work even harder..
I pay my mortgage on time, never missed a debt payment, actually I have never had debt beside mortgage.
Anyway, that is just to paint the picture that "I am not one of those guys"

BUT
regarding the AT&T issue, I do think we have an issue:
- First I want to point out what some seem to be missing, the contract is both ways and AT&T has also agreed on some stuff, not just us.
- The contract goes beyond what is signed on a piece of paper we don't read, the contract includes all the communication that is made to us from the time we watched a commercial, to the talk from the sales person up to the point of agreement. I have to say, a lot of us don't feel like at&t is meeting its contractual obligations, they make us think we have unlimited data when we don't, they make us think they have the best internet speed when it's very arguable, they make us think they 're supporting the iPhone, but in a middle of our contract we discover that they re not going to support things like facetime on their network. The 'free' upgrade we had every year was just one way for them to get away with it. So now they want to play contract fine prints, we can too and we should start organizing ourselves to understand why THEY do not meet their contractual obligations.
- Our contract does not say that we're going to stay happy for 2 years and shut up. In fact it includes a termination clause, and the main point most are making here is that if they don't even try to make us happy, we'll use that clause.
- We are here in a situation where 3 companies control the entire market, I would really argue that we're not into a free market situation here. Arguments such as 'you didn't have to sign the agreement' are a little weaker here. Really, when you think about it, what's your alternative... At some point, we'll really have to wonder how Europe can charge their customer a third of the cost and yet have much better coverage. Something is wrong somewhere, and some of us really feel as we're being taken advantage of. Yes we do sign the agreement, yet, we feel that we do because we have pretty much no choice. Having the free yearly upgrade was offsetting that feeling, but having to pay $100/month and not getting that yearly upgrade is just a ripoff for most of us, when a lot of countries can get a better service for less than $30/month.

So you're all right, we're not entitled to that new phone, but we are entitled to the level of quality and customer care that was promised to us, and we don't get that. We used to accept it in exchange for that free upgrade, now we don't have to accept it anymore.

So stop being mad at us for being angry, yes, our signed contract did not mention that free upgrade, but the untold agreement was clear to a lot of us: give us that free upgrade, and we'll let you overcharge us for some crappy service.
 
Which one's better Sprint or Verizon?
The one that suits your needs better. For many coverage is a top concern.

I'm going to start selling t-shirts that have "SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT" in big letters on the front.
And you think the entitled will pay for them? They're entitled.

it seems a bit silly that AT&T would rather lose customers than have an early upgrade fee of $175 or so.
Citation? Where are numbers supporting this claim that they're losing customers?

Or is loyalty just one-directional?
With most corporations it is one-sized. If you choose to be loyal to a corporation or brand then you get what you deserve IMO. Place your loyalties with entities that reciprocate unless you enjoy disappointment.

- First I want to point out what some seem to be missing
I am not a contract lawyer but you seem to be missing that it's nearly impossible to enforce what you think is included in the contract. Good luck with that. Perks are not contract terms. I am not taking at&t's side. It's just ridiculous IMO to assume that unrealistic expectation is their fault but feel free to do whatever you want. I'd be frustrated as well if I made such assumptions.
 
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Oh and this may really irritate you, but for the 3G and 4 I sold them to Gazelle, so they were almost free.

How dare I expect the SAME services I have been provided for years!

I should be taken out back behind the Macrumors building an Whipped.

Why won't they pay my mortgage and my car payment again?

Yours truly, Entitled

How dare you not read the new policy... lol
 
ok, I created an account just to add to this post, haha...

I am not quite the guy that feel entitled to anything, I left my country 10 years ago to live in the US, in order to leave a country with such an entitlement culture.
After years of hard work, I now own my own business, and work even harder..
I pay my mortgage on time, never missed a debt payment, actually I have never had debt beside mortgage.
Anyway, that is just to paint the picture that "I am not one of those guys"

BUT
regarding the AT&T issue, I do think we have an issue:
- First I want to point out what some seem to be missing, the contract is both ways and AT&T has also agreed on some stuff, not just us.
- The contract goes beyond what is signed on a piece of paper we don't read, the contract includes all the communication that is made to us from the time we watched a commercial, to the talk from the sales person up to the point of agreement. I have to say, a lot of us don't feel like at&t is meeting its contractual obligations, they make us think we have unlimited data when we don't, they make us think they have the best internet speed when it's very arguable, they make us think they 're supporting the iPhone, but in a middle of our contract we discover that they re not going to support things like facetime on their network. The 'free' upgrade we had every year was just one way for them to get away with it. So now they want to play contract fine prints, we can too and we should start organizing ourselves to understand why THEY do not meet their contractual obligations.
- Our contract does not say that we're going to stay happy for 2 years and shut up. In fact it includes a termination clause, and the main point most are making here is that if they don't even try to make us happy, we'll use that clause.
- We are here in a situation where 3 companies control the entire market, I would really argue that we're not into a free market situation here. Arguments such as 'you didn't have to sign the agreement' are a little weaker here. Really, when you think about it, what's your alternative... At some point, we'll really have to wonder how Europe can charge their customer a third of the cost and yet have much better coverage. Something is wrong somewhere, and some of us really feel as we're being taken advantage of. Yes we do sign the agreement, yet, we feel that we do because we have pretty much no choice. Having the free yearly upgrade was offsetting that feeling, but having to pay $100/month and not getting that yearly upgrade is just a ripoff for most of us, when a lot of countries can get a better service for less than $30/month.

So you're all right, we're not entitled to that new phone, but we are entitled to the level of quality and customer care that was promised to us, and we don't get that. We used to accept it in exchange for that free upgrade, now we don't have to accept it anymore.

So stop being mad at us for being angry, yes, our signed contract did not mention that free upgrade, but the untold agreement was clear to a lot of us: give us that free upgrade, and we'll let you overcharge us for some crappy service.

Yes yes, exactly what he said! Especially that last part!
 
If its not in the contract its not part of the agreement. Just because AT&T did you favors in the past in no ways means they have to continue to do you favors in the future. Feel entitled much.

You're missing the point, I don't think ANYBODY on this board said that they were breaching any signed contract by not providing us with that free upgrade.

You know, AT&t was my gf and she just cheated on me, she didn't breach no contract, but she sure pissed me off and I don't want to deal with her anymore. Yeah sure, she had never told me that we were exclusive after all those years, but I just assumed she would be faithful and in exchange I could accept her being bitchy once in a while. Well, not anymore.
 
You know, AT&t was my gf and she just cheated on me, she didn't breach no contract, but she sure pissed me off and I don't want to deal with her anymore. Yeah sure, she had never told me that we were exclusive after all those years, but I just assumed she would be faithful and in exchange I could accept her being bitchy once in a while. Well, not anymore.

Worst analogy ever.
 
Another success story for $250 upgrade fee waived (actually credited to my account). Anyhow, I figured I would try and so I called. I've been with AT&T for 13 years straight. Plus I have a corporate account for some time. So I used those two arguments and told them I showed loyalty for 13 years and was hoping to get a break on this Upgrade fee. They honored it and made me a happy customer. Thanks AT&T :p This is why I stay!

I've been with them since 07' didn't get the full $250 credit but got $150 credit to my account, maybe could have asked for more and got it but was fine with that. ;)
 
I am not a contract lawyer but you seem to be missing that it's nearly impossible to enforce what you think is included in the contract. Good luck with that. Perks are not contract terms. I am not taking at&t's side. It's just ridiculous IMO to assume that unrealistic expectation is their fault but feel free to do whatever you want. I'd be frustrated as well if I made such assumptions.

Unrealistic expectations? You should seriously look around the world, and see if the expectations of getting a decent service at $40/month is unreasonable.

What we care about is not that free upgrade, it's the total package. **** service, less and less perks and highest price is a good reason to get angry. In theory, shouldn't our free market model along with our comparative advantage in technology make the whole thing more affordable for us? I would believe so.
 
I mean, I understand that it is not something to bitch about. IF it was the $250 + the $200 (and don't forget the bs $38 upgrade fee). But ATT wants $650 from me right now. $400 for the phone and $250 for the upgrade (oh yeah, and don't forget the $38 upgrade charge).

Also, let's not forget their spotty as hell service, their strong arm business practices, their highest rates in the entire US, their ghetto as hell customer service reps, their shady fee changes when it comes to sms, data packages, bandwidth throttling, and on and on and on.

Yeah, let's all jump down OP's throat and back up the little guy (ATT)!

:rolleyes:
 
If its not in the contract its not part of the agreement. Just because AT&T did you favors in the past in no ways means they have to continue to do you favors in the future. Feel entitled much.

Again, I'll restate my point from earlier in this thread. If AT&T is giving certain benefits to some customers and not others, without any explanation, that's patently unfair. It has nothing to do with past favors. It has to do with the preferred treatment some customers are getting NOW, while others get less or nothing.
 
Again, I'll restate my point from earlier in this thread. If AT&T is giving certain benefits to some customers and not others, without any explanation, that's patently unfair. It has nothing to do with past favors. It has to do with the preferred treatment some customers are getting NOW, while others get less or nothing.

This.
 
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