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The entire rest of the developed world laughs at our terrible wireless plans in the US, and we are the spoiled brats for calling out the companies as our bills get more and more ridiculous in comparison.

"That particular data?" It's just data, like all the other data he uses. They section off a feature that many people are looking forward to in order to force them into a more expensive plan if they want to use it.

Uh, here's the thing. When you pay for unlimited, yes, it is reasonable for them to say how you use it (cause how you use it will affect how much you use). But when you are paying for set data, you are paying for the data itself, you aren't going to use more if you use it a different way so I would say it is unreasonable there to say how you use the data.

Kind of like when you go to an all you can eat Buffett and they do have rules (like you have to eat pretty much what you get. I know in a lot of all you can eat sushi they mandate you have to eat all the rice too or you get charged extra).

And I say it's spoiled brat to be pissed off that on a plan they obviously don't want to offer anymore that they don't add in new features and insist you have to be on a new plan to get those features. They don't want to offer that plan... they could go the route of just saying it's no longer available rather than trying to put in incentives to get him to leave. I'd rather they just add the incentives personally.
 
This is pretty ridiculous as it is, but if you have an existing tethering plan and can't use Facetime over cellular, that is even more ridiculous considering you can tether another device and do Facetime over it.
 
Hey Jordan, would you mind posting a LINK to this "source"? I called AT&T enterprise customer service with a complaint based on this, which appears to have originated from MacRumors, and they said they couldn't find any evidence that they actually made this statement or intend to do this.

It's not just MacRumors reporting this. There are several other tech news outlets reporting the same.
 
**** you, AT&T.




Please leave this site. If you remember anything about iOS' history, you would know that you're undeniably wrong. iOS removed PdaNet from the App Store at the request of telecoms. iOS imposes download limits for apps due to telecoms. Steve Jobs has nothing to do with this and you sound like an idiot for bringing him up. Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.


Relax...This is a running joke in the forums. Read through any thread and you'll find one. I think they're actually funny. Ur post is the idiotic one.
 
So unlimited data plan means but not unlimited FaceTime data? It's data discrimination!! Looks like AT&T decided to be the next Netflix. Seriously, how difficult is it to hav costumer common sense - Don't penalize your customers for a service they already have!!
 
Lol, quite the sneaky move to get grandfathered data users off that plan.

We see wat you did there ATT. Sneaky.
 
I don't get it. They have all users now on either tiered data plans or unlimited data plans with major throttling at 3GB. I mean I can understand them making this move if they had unlimited plans still being offered with no throttling limit. But it just doesn't make sense to push people to shared plans for facetime over cellular.
 
This is total BS by AT&T.

I can stream from my favorite internet radio station using an app on my iPhone but I'm FORCED into a data share plan, when I have ONE device, in order to use that same data bandwidth (I am already paying for), with FaceTime?

The data is all the same. I already pay for that data. How is ATT allowed to regulate what apps I use with that data?

I'm going to look into FCC regulations regarding data use. This smells fishy as hell!

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lol, quite the sneaky move to get grandfathered data users off that plan.

We see wat you did there att. Sneaky.

exactly!
 
Those of you who say you are saving money with these new plans (especially those of you who are saying that you'll be saving a *LOT* with these new plans), please post here with the specific plans/options you have now, how much data and voice minutes you currently use, and what the new plan specifics are that you're planning on selecting.

Let me say that I respect a company's decision to set prices as they see fit. I don't want government stepping in and forcing companies to do anything (see: net neutrality). The problem we have today is that there's already too *much* government intervention. That's the reason why we have such few options. If we had a true free market, there would be several other companies setting up cell towers, launching satellites, or coming up with other new ideas, to create new options for people. Instead, we've got the big two (AT&T and Verizon) benefitting from their government-approved monopolies. Getting off my sandbox...

As others have said, these new plans seem to be all about AT&T and Verizon, once again, giving a nudge to people on unlimited plans. One thing I've posted about previously, which I think would be a far better idea, since it could alleviate both the carrier's and the consumer's concerns, but I don't know if it's technically possible, is for the carrier's to abandon the GB-based tiered plans, and instead of unlimited plans where the tiers are speed-based. So they'd have maybe three tiers: Slow, Medium, and Fast (maybe even a 4th super-fast tier). One of the problems with the GB-based tiers is that I don't *know* how much data I'm going to need next month, and I'm worried about overage charges. And, AFAIK, I can't control my daughter's phone so as to allot her only XX GB. Plus, I wouldn't *want* to limit her phone in that manner, anyway. I wouldn't want her to use YouTube constantly during the month, then on day 15 she hits her limit and is "cut off" from data, when I'd still want her to be capable of texting or sending emails, so as to let me know that a crazed gunman has entered her government school on day 20. It makes far more sense to just say, hey...everyone's got unlimited data. But I can pay more for maybe a family high-speed plan, or maybe even selectively decide that *my* phone will get the highest-speed option, but my wife's will get a much slower speed option.

Getting back to my original comments...if you think these new plans save you money, please reply with *specifics*. From what I can gather, the people who think these plans will save them money are people who currently buy unlimited texting and lots of minutes, *think* they don't use/need much GB, and who are interested in tethering. The funny thing is that those last two points are in direct opposition to one another. Even if you're using very little data *now*, if you think you're going to start tethering your laptop to your phone on a regular basis, and 1GB of data a month is going to cut it, I suspect you're in for a rude awakening when you get that first bill with an overage charge.
 
This is such BS! I pay for a data tier already...I can understand restricting those with unlimited plans (though not a lot)...BUT sweet Jesus, I'm paying for a limited amount of data (5GB) on a tiered plan...how is AT&T able to keep a straight face and say this crap? Whether I share a 5GB plan with a family or just pay for 5GB for a single line what's the damn difference?

This is the kind of crap the government should be regulating (and I'm a deep seated Republican)! Thank God we have 15 to 20 service providers to choose from so we can put an end to this horses&it!!!
 
For all you saying you will jump to Sprint make sure you check with others what kind of bandwidth they are getting. In Milwaukee, most places I can barely stream AM quality radio so unlimited or not, facetime will not work until they get their act together and upgrade the network here. There are tons of threads out there in many cities of people experiencing the same thing. Their network is woefully under-developed.

Ha! Also in Milwaukee and the speeds are, indeed, woefully inadequate. Sometimes the network bumps me off of 3g when I'm downtown. Not worrying about data limits is nice, since I can just stream Pandora while I'm driving, but Sprint needs to fix their network.
 
I know that, but seriously what is the actual source? MacRumors reported it before anyone else. Maybe there was a press conference, but I would like to know more than "other people repeated the story".

The Wall Street Journal is quoting Mark Seigel as the one making the announcement - an [AT&T] spokesman.

“AT&T will offer FaceTime over cellular as an added benefit of our new Mobile Share data plans,” spokesman Mark Siegel said in a statement.
 
So obviously people on the grandfathered unlimited plans will be left out. But what about people on the standard 2GB or 3GB plans? Are we left out too?
 
This is such BS! I pay for a data tier already...I can understand restricting those with unlimited plans (though not a lot)...BUT sweet Jesus, I'm paying for a limited amount of data (5GB) on a tiered plan...how is AT&T able to keep a straight face and say this crap? Whether I share a 5GB plan with a family or just pay for 5GB for a single line what's the damn difference?

This is the kind of crap the government should be regulating (and I'm a deep seated Republican)! Thank God we have 15 to 20 service providers to choose from so we can put an end to this horses&it!!!

See, this complaint I can completely understand. I just think those with unlimited who are whining need to get over themselves. AT&T has not made the plan worse, they just haven't added a new feature. They didn't allow tethering on the unlimited either. Both are things that would have you use more data.
 
One other set of points I meant to comment on...

1) My initial thought is, hey, I hardly ever use FaceTime anyway, so it's kind of a non-issue. Though I will say that if I wasn't currently limited by when/where I *could* use FaceTime, I could see using it more. For example, if I'm doing some grocery shopping based on a list my wife made, I could see a lot of value in doing a FaceTime call with her so that I could show her what I'm seeing when I'm asking her for clarification on exactly what she wanted me to get (e.g., she asks for a bag of flour and there are 17 varieties and several different sizes).

2) Others here have commented that AT&T may force us to switch to these new plans (and drop unlimited data) by making them incompatible with the latest, greatest highest-speed iPhone. If so, that will suck. And I wonder if that could have a significant impact on just how popular the iPhone 5 (or whatever it's called) will be. It will have to pretty darn "magical" for me to give up unlimited data to get it. And if it's not, I could see myself skipping this round and living with my iPhone 4S for another year (and/or switching carriers, just out of spite).
 
Steve Jobs would not have allowed Apple to be bullied by the carriers.

Umm, no tethering = bullied by carriers.

But really, this just means that Jailbreaking will live on or more users will finally realize how to save money by switching away from the big carriers and going with someone like Straight Talk, Cricket Wireless, Virgin Mobile, Metro PCS, H2O Wireless, Boost Mobile or another low cost carrier. Some of them even allow tethering and many now let you bring your own phone, even if it's locked.
 
WHAT is the point of the iPhones having all these amazing features and capabilities if something as arbitrary as data plans and the iron-fisted will of a carrier can get in the way of using them?

Seriously? WHAT IS THE POINT!? :mad:
 
Before anyone complains, how much do you actually use FaceTime?


I would be up in arms, but I honest don't use this feature at all.

Whether we use Facetime or not is irrelevant. It's about AT&T picking and choosing what you can do with your data. First Facetime then what next?
 
Well... I guess I will be jailbreaking again. It's ironic really, I have had the iPhone since day one, and Jailbreaking started to add features Apple didn't include, and now that Apple has added every feature I had missing, I have to Jailbreak to keep AT&T from REMOVING features. There really ought to be a lightweight jailbreak that just unlocks Tethering and FaceTime, that's all I use it for.
 
This is such BS! I pay for a data tier already...I can understand restricting those with unlimited plans (though not a lot)...BUT sweet Jesus, I'm paying for a limited amount of data (5GB) on a tiered plan...how is AT&T able to keep a straight face and say this crap? Whether I share a 5GB plan with a family or just pay for 5GB for a single line what's the damn difference?
The problem is that they *can't* selectively say that they're going to limit a feature for someone on a current unlimited plan and not for someone who's on a set-GB plan. Well, I believe they can, but it allows the unlimited plan folks to get out of their contract without an ETF. And they apparently don't want to take that gamble.

This is the kind of crap the government should be regulating (and I'm a deep seated Republican)! Thank God we have 15 to 20 service providers to choose from so we can put an end to this horses&it!!!
Not sure if serious. A large part of the problem, as I stated in a prior post, is that we have *too much* government regulation, which is why we *don't* have 15-20 carriers to choose from.
 
Why would you do such a thing? Is it saving you money?

No it's not saving me money but I find it a better value because I get more data and more features. The extra data allotment and the fact that is shared will free my parent's from their current and restrictive 250MB plans and since I use more data than my wife or my parents I also have more freedom to spill over my current 3GB limit. Also, the plan is a great deal for adding my iPad for only $10 since it can tap the same pool of data I'm paying for. In the end, we are only paying $25 more a month, which my family splits up anyway. Sounds good to me.

I understand though, that your mileage truly will vary between customers with these plans, as confusingly put as they are.
 
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