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Athlon 64 vs G5 comparison

Originally posted by Jonathan Amend

Oh and Chad, read the whole article. They disabled the raid and put a 128MB Radeon to do the Athlon 64 vs. G5 benchmarks. None of the tests they did should have required more than half a gig of ram. As for the file open/close stuff, it's irrelevant and you're just assuming that Macs are faster at this. I've never before seen a benchmark where such trivial things were included.
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true on the test but still not much dif of 1 second

OK I guess you dont use both platforms and use PS for a living ????

to say its irrelevant ?????
got to say then you never open or close files ????
they just magically apear ?????
after a shoot and I have to open some 500 files to check them out etc..
that wont matter the open close speed ????
that is over half of my time waiting for them to open and close

a few things many say it is a big dif in speed
even a PC mag I will try to find the link said if htey included that it would have won hands down !!!

also to say you only need half gig for most of those tests again not sure you use PS much or understand the memory the way they use it 1 gig is fine for 50-100 meg files as long as you dont have to many layers etc...

also they should have done say 100 10 meg files such as high res photos to see how it did ;)


if you use PS much you will understand about opening and closing files and making your living at it.

bottom line is so what if one is a second faster or slower as we switch what filters are used we can make them lean either way !!!

but to me the bottom line is overall everything
how much down time will I have etc....
to me it was time to switch
it is a tool to me that I use and I hope they stay up on things competion is good

OH I used to work as a trainer in technology for a little puter company called HP
also my college is in puters and I am 40 been working on puters since HS days

again no worries on who is on top I am saying I am happy running both platforms and I will switch again if I need to

to me this is like Photographers and the canon vs nikon thing !!!!

its still the perosn behind the lens

so I will use Mac for my imaging and my PC for other things
and one or two imaging programs and go back and forth using the best of both worlds

I must say I am impressed with the Mac build quality etc....

so far everything is smooth etc... driver issues etc... so I am still happy ;)

best of luck
 
Oh, sorry then. I just thought Photoshop would need enough ram to hold the file. I still think the load times are irrelevent. If the Athlon 64 can process it faster, why should it load it slower? The load times would depend mostly on the speed of the hard-drive and maybe the CPU to render it. Anyways, I'm not much of a graphics artist so PSP works for me. The last time I ran Photoshop it insisted that I have a swap file, even though I had 1 GB of ram... I didn't know it actually needed that much =)
 
Strange to think that you all are arguing about how an Athlon 64 beat a dual 2 GHz G5.

This is exactly the same arguement the PC people put up when they saw the SPEC benchmarks Apple put out at the release of the G5.

Seriously, 1 or 2 seconds will not make the G5 look like a crippled sea turtle to a PC rocketboat. The applications used are cross platform, done for "fairness", but cross platform usually is not the way to go, as OS'es and sometimes hardware itself can be hindered by the code used by the program to execute commands.

I am not a comp sci degree holder, but I am a high school student learning computer science and the basic workings of how code works. Without the over-complication associated with too much software knowledge, I have seen through personal experience with coding on both PCs and Macs with a completely platform independent language (Java), that PCs just tend to run Java faster.It doesnt mean that my mac is slow or that the pc I used was top of the line, but it just means that in that one application of the computer I use regularly, I saw a difference.

Conclusion: Dont take these benchmarks and automatically claim foul play or faulty runnings. Just support the brand you wish to and see them through. Panther should allow the G5 to jump into hyper mode (I know panther sure made my quicksilver 933 do it).

The G5 is not Apple's last stand. In fact, it looks like it is just the beginning.
 
ahhhhhhhhh
frigin browse freaked out
I had writen a post
ahhhhh (this was on my PC)
hehehehe

anyway Jonathon hope this all reads with Aloha ;)

I think the thing is the puters can ping pong back and forth
in specs stats and bench marks
give me $4000 I can make a faster PC no prob
so I really believe there is more to it then just flat one bench speed



here is that other article I saw that talks about interface loading
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1274230,00.asp

loading wise I am not sure why they load faster but they tend to
where they really are faster is the loading of filters etc..
about 4x as fast
just loaded one I use a lot on a 50 meg file took 2 seconds on the G5 and 8 on the PC
if I do that with 4 filters per image I save around 24 seconds per image and a bit in the close or write back to disc of modified image and I spend 1 minute per image

if I do over 500 images that is a lot of time I save

to me that works out to about ten hours vs 13.5 hours

I can handle a ten hour site but 13.5 I have to break into two days ;)

once Adobe CS hits and Panther I think we will see new speeds ;)

to me its also like I can make a Honda or a Acura very fast and in some ways might be faster or more power than a Porsche
but the Porsche has a certain feel and build quality that cant be matched
get em on the track and usually the Porsche will win out
but not always
now race em for 24 hours and the build quality of the Porsche will usually come through and the fixed up car will need some tweaking.

good thing is I can run the Porsche all day like that where the other cars are not meant to go like that
and for that build quality and WOW factor I have to pay for it !!!


I have a friend that has a Acura with some 400 HP and tweaked to the hilt but I park it next to the Porsche and people still go WOW cool car and look at the Porsche ;)

bang for buck the Mac is not the way to go always
but its like buying a Porsche you can just buy it and its fast and stays fast and holds its value

hope this all is read in good fun ;)

maybe getting older I mellow out but have been punching keys for 25 years now since mainframe days ;)

now I Just want the puter to work like my fridge ;) open it up it works no hassles no tweaking drivers etc..

I still think that Macs are not for everybody and are only for a smaller % of people
but then again if everyone owned one chances are I would be saying that about the PC
heheheheeh

another Analogy Tiger Woods doesnt win every thing he enters but he is still the Man to beat and when he doesnt win people say OH he is realy sucking today his game is off etc..
come on he cant win everything every time

again good chatting with ya ;)
 
Originally posted by Jonathan Amend
Hate to break it to you, but that's only the theoretical speed of the cluster (rpeak). The rmax (actual speed) has yet to be tested by top500 and the #2 cluster right now has an rpeak of 20 tflops so expect the G5 cluster to come in at 3rd or 4th.



Are you absolutely sure you know what you're talking about? Last time I checked, IBM:
1) is a huge corporation that is more than 50 years old
2) invented the "Microsoft" PC
3) Fabs the Athlon 64
4) Also designed and fabs the G5.

Btw I have a degree in passing the 10th grade.
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hmm, last i checked IBM is over 100 years old. though it was not always called IBM. This just shows you that people on internet may not always be honest in what they are saying..

markiv810: are you sure your deploma says "computer science" on it? because making incredably flawed statements, about a company in the industry you have your degree in, raises suspision...

after all, out of IBM Intel, and AMD IBM has the highest budget for R&D, but hmm, how does that work, if they are just some small crappy company.

but what do i know, i too, only have my degree in passing grade 10...

aethier

*EDIT: lol, i just re-read your post, markiv810, according to you IBM is "small and inexperienced", so i guess the Power4+, a powerful server class chip, and all the other PowerPC chips they made for apple in the past, count as nothing... i guess the Power5 with 144 megs of cache is just a lie, becuase there is no way such a small company could design it. becuase you know everything afterall you have a "graduate" degree
:eek:
 
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