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I hope the Mac Pro gets an update soon. I have moved away from Apple products completely in my personal life but I know two designers at work who would be very pleased with the announcement of new MPs. They are both due for an updated system and have been holding off for this update.

Hey Chrispy,

I've been a Mac user for over twenty years. Computers aren't really my passion and always thought it was nice to run an OS that doesn't require me to learn about Bios and dip switches, or whatever it is that can make a windows system so daunting.

But now, I've been waiting too long for apple to offer an update and we all know it'll be over priced. So my question is, how difficult would it be to maintain a PC that's comparible to apples middle ground Mac pro? Also, how much would something like that cost? I'd be using it for large Photoshop tradeshow graphics and AfterEffects work.

As I said, I know nothing about PC's, are they plug and play...or would I have to become a computer tech as well as a graphic artist.


Major thanks in advance.
Typed on my phone.
 
The new iMac will run on the hate, pity and scorn of trolls, therefore our macs will continue to get better as the more silly the trolls look.

I followed the smell over here just to see what I'd find.

Explains everything. Where's the Febreeze?

:apple:
 
Hmm... is Apple still making computers?

In between Frisbees, Hula Hoops, Slinkys, and the all new Dick Tracy wrist iTV... you just have to go into the basement to find them.

All the way... in the back. Under the stairs.

:apple:
 
The gaming industry is slowly making a transition, Bullet Physics is being rewritten to use OpenCL.

I wonder though whether to see a run off between DirectComput and OpenCL; I'm mainly concerned that given how willing programmers at large game houses are to utilise DirectX whether we'll see another round of programmers choosing DirectComput over OpenCL.

With that being said I think that pales in comparison to the current crop of, quite frankly, crap drivers from nVidia and Apple not doing anything as so far as paying nVidia the cash so that resources at nVidia can be allocated to improving the drivers.

If Apple really think that users will continue to hang around for the long term as they neglect the desktop platform then they'll be sorely mistaken. I've already chalked up 2011 as the 'year of reckoning' for Apple, if WWDC turns into another i-device w-nkfest and the drivers are still in the same horrible state with third parties complaining about problems not being fixed then I think the call of Windows 7/PC Laptop will become irresistible.
 
Hey Chrispy,

I've been a Mac user for over twenty years. Computers aren't really my passion and always thought it was nice to run an OS that doesn't require me to learn about Bios and dip switches, or whatever it is that can make a windows system so daunting.

But now, I've been waiting too long for apple to offer an update and we all know it'll be over priced. So my question is, how difficult would it be to maintain a PC that's comparible to apples middle ground Mac pro? Also, how much would something like that cost? I'd be using it for large Photoshop tradeshow graphics and AfterEffects work.

As I said, I know nothing about PC's, are they plug and play...or would I have to become a computer tech as well as a graphic artist.


Major thanks in advance.
Typed on my phone.
If building your own computer seems daunting, I'm sure Dell would be more than happy to sell you a well priced workstation with 3-year On-Site Next Business Day warranty as standard.
 
Hey Chrispy,

I've been a Mac user for over twenty years. Computers aren't really my passion and always thought it was nice to run an OS that doesn't require me to learn about Bios and dip switches, or whatever it is that can make a windows system so daunting.

But now, I've been waiting too long for apple to offer an update and we all know it'll be over priced. So my question is, how difficult would it be to maintain a PC that's comparible to apples middle ground Mac pro? Also, how much would something like that cost? I'd be using it for large Photoshop tradeshow graphics and AfterEffects work.

As I said, I know nothing about PC's, are they plug and play...or would I have to become a computer tech as well as a graphic artist.


Major thanks in advance.
Typed on my phone.

Not difficult to maintain at all (hardware or software); Windows 7 is a great OS. Could build a great system for around $1200-$1500; cheaper if you have a microcenter around (they usually have great deals).
 
Hey Chrispy,

I've been a Mac user for over twenty years. Computers aren't really my passion and always thought it was nice to run an OS that doesn't require me to learn about Bios and dip switches, or whatever it is that can make a windows system so daunting.

But now, I've been waiting too long for apple to offer an update and we all know it'll be over priced. So my question is, how difficult would it be to maintain a PC that's comparible to apples middle ground Mac pro? Also, how much would something like that cost? I'd be using it for large Photoshop tradeshow graphics and AfterEffects work.

As I said, I know nothing about PC's, are they plug and play...or would I have to become a computer tech as well as a graphic artist.


Major thanks in advance.
Typed on my phone.

The difference between an Apple and a generic PC running Windows 7 is so small it comes down to personal preference of liking one operating system over another rather than really anything empirical. All the rubbish about PC's being complex are made up by quite frankly, idiots - PC's haven't been complex beasts for well over a decade and yet we have morons trotting out such chestnuts.

Windows has plugin and play, a huge selection of software and hardware you can choose from, the auto detection and configuration is equal or better than Mac OS X, and the quality of drivers vary as much as the quality of the hardware itself.

I am looking back at the PC world because right now Apple has declined into merely a widget company simply keeping the computer wing around for little more than legacy reasons rather than a genuine concerted effort to raising the bar. It has been 2 years so far of crappy nVidia drivers and not a single thing has been done, huge bugs remain in Snow Leopard that stop third parties from fully utilising many of the frameworks (Firefox and hardware acceleration bugs relating to framework bugs). I hope that 10.6 was only a stop gap as WWDC 2011 turns back on the Mac OS X buzz but I have a feeling that like the only person naked at a nudest beach, Apple is pretty much killing off their computers through neglect rather than an orchestrated programme of deprecating.
 
Not difficult to maintain at all (hardware or software); Windows 7 is a great OS. Could build a great system for around $1200-$1500; cheaper if you have a microcenter around (they usually have great deals).

"Build your own" can be daunting, especially when Dell sells for $999:

  • Intel® Core™ i7-860 quad processor(8MB Cache, 2.80GHz)
  • Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
  • 21.5" Dell ST2210 Full HD Monitor with VGA cable
  • Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable
  • 6GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM1 at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
  • 750GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
  • nVIDIA GeForce G310 512MB2 DDR3

with BTO options of 16 GiB RAM, 1 GiB VRAM ($100), BD playback ($90), BD burning ($170), and lots more.

With, of course, the in-home warranty!
 
"Build your own" can be daunting, especially when Dell sells for $999:

  • Intel® Core™ i7-860 quad processor(8MB Cache, 2.80GHz)
  • Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
  • 21.5" Dell ST2210 Full HD Monitor with VGA cable
  • Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable
  • 6GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM1 at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
  • 750GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
  • nVIDIA GeForce G310 512MB2 DDR3

with BTO options of 16 GiB RAM, 1 GiB VRAM ($100), BD playback ($90), BD burning ($170), and lots more.

With, of course, the in-home warranty!

It's not at all daunting; they're very easy to build. Oh yay, a Dell build with low-quality parts (especially their PSUs).
 
I was never trying to justify anything.

Apple is a premium electronics company, therefore are expensive.

Nobody likes a whiner! Deal or go elsewhere.

I have no problem with Apple being expensive. The problem is that the Mac Pro GPU options are not premium.

Expensive is not equal to premium. Apple’s offerings are premium due to design and choice of hardware (among other things). They’re not premium due to being expensive or not. The GPU options for Mac Pro don’t live up to Apple’s own standards.
 
If Apple keeps up the habit of sparse, humdrum hardware updates and options, they'll lose that market share in no time.

If Apple thinks their software will keep them afloat, they're sorely mistaken. Daily, creative, and professional users alike are quite capable of accomplishing the same tasks on PCs as they could on Macs; given a few specialty applications.
 
The difference between an Apple and a generic PC running Windows 7 is so small it comes down to personal preference of liking one operating system over another rather than really anything empirical.
hmm there are also some wierd differences, such as added heat of a Mac running under bootcamp compared to the same computer running under OSX. im not sure if thats down to the drivers that run power management (for CPU frequency etc) or whether its just OS themselves doing things differently - even though the firmware controls the fan speeds etc, ironic. :rolleyes:

Windows has plugin and play, a huge selection of software and hardware you can choose from, the auto detection and configuration is equal or better than Mac OS X, and the quality of drivers vary as much as the quality of the hardware itself.
hmmm this is becoming more and more invalid as time goes on. i dont think ive ever purchased a device that didnt work with my Macs, with OS9 etc that was pretty true though :) (i do research before buying though tbh).
 
It's not at all daunting; they're very easy to build. Oh yay, a Dell build with low-quality parts (especially their PSUs).

Strange to see advertising for Dell systems posted here, on a Mac Forum site.

You're quite correct, though, low quality parts, indeed - marginally good enough for an accelerated feed for the landfills.

In all likelihood, a 'Laptop Hunters' campaign resurrection, redirected for PCs, would fail as miserably, if not more so - no need for it here.

Besides, I'd take a 'home-brew' with quality parts over a bottom-of-the-barrel-bargain-box any day.
 
hmm there are also some wierd differences, such as added heat of a Mac running under bootcamp compared to the same computer running under OSX. im not sure if thats down to the drivers that run power management (for CPU frequency etc) or whether its just OS themselves doing things differently - even though the firmware controls the fan speeds etc, ironic. :rolleyes:

Well if one is going to spend large amounts running Windows on a Mac then one really has to ask whether purchasing a Mac was a wise idea in the first place. I've run a Sony Vaio S model, i5 CPU etc and it runs very well - if there is ever an alternative worth looking at in the future for myself it would be that with maybe a Dell 580 for the desktop :)

So far I am enjoying my Mac but the more I do talk to third party software vendors about many of the bugs and issues inside with Mac OS X the more I can understand why Mac versions are always behind the eighth ball - Adobe on Mac OS X vs. Windows being one example of this. Too bad people aren't directly the hatred against the correct people.

Although I am happy now I am not looking forward to the future as Mac OS X is neglected with each release by Apple, serving the scum sucking i-device purchasers of the world where all the effort is directed in developing iOS at the expense of Mac OS X. Like I said earlier, if WWDC 2011 turns into another i-device w-ankfest for all those i-device purchasing a-sholes out there then I'm going to move back to the Windows platform - at least Microsoft can do two things at once which is something Apple seem to be incapable of doing.

hmmm this is becoming more and more invalid as time goes on. i dont think ive ever purchased a device that didn't work with my Macs, with OS9 etc that was pretty true though :) (i do research before buying though tbh).

When I was talking about hardware, the quality of the hardware and the quality of the device drivers I am referring to it in relation to Windows. If you purchase a quality kit from a good vendor and quality drivers then you'll find that it will be just as reliable with Windows as it is with Mac OS X and the fixed hardware specifications.
 
I wonder though whether to see a run off between DirectComput and OpenCL; I'm mainly concerned that given how willing programmers at large game houses are to utilise DirectX whether we'll see another round of programmers choosing DirectComput over OpenCL.

They both look extremely difficult. I do have to say though, University takes one hell of a commitment. I'm considering doing summer school just so I can take only 3 papers per semester.

With that being said I think that pales in comparison to the current crop of, quite frankly, crap drivers from nVidia and Apple not doing anything as so far as paying nVidia the cash so that resources at nVidia can be allocated to improving the drivers.

Dude, nVidia drivers suck on Windows too. They've become the main problem at work. Luckily, the IT system at work is planned for a complete work-over, RHEV Desktop and Server are gonna make my job and maintenance at work a hell a lot easier and relieve some cash issues. Performance isn't that bad too.

If Apple really think that users will continue to hang around for the long term as they neglect the desktop platform then they'll be sorely mistaken. I've already chalked up 2011 as the 'year of reckoning' for Apple, if WWDC turns into another i-device w-nkfest and the drivers are still in the same horrible state with third parties complaining about problems not being fixed then I think the call of Windows 7/PC Laptop will become irresistible.

If Apple port the iPhone/iPad simulator to any other OS, Mac OSX would lose one of its major pluses for me.

Meh, more of a Linux fan.
 
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