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ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5830 - most likely MBP GPU?

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Yixian

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ATI just formally announced it's mobility 5000 series. Among them is the 5870 - too hot - the 5650 - too cold - and the 5830; coming in at 24 watts. Juuuust right.

There's also the 5700 cards which offer similar TDP but with slightly poorer performance. Whilst they are probably highly likely as GPUs for the next MBPs, the 5830 seems to offer the best bang for buck per watt.

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^ This is my no. 1 pick.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/note...ility-hd-5800/Pages/ati-mobility-hd-5800.aspx <- All the new Mobility 5000 cards
 
kgeier82 said:
Nvidia doesnt have the licensing agreements with Intel for the new chip/motherboards, last I read.

We wont be seeing Nvidia, right?
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That's just for the integrated graphics, they can still produce discrete cards for any computer I think.
 
wow, the specs on that chip are amazing. I can only hope we see in Mac notebooks in the future! It's amazing how they can fit all that 'stuff' into such a little chip.
 
ATI has been churning out some great GPU's lately, Nvidia really needs to get their **** together!
 
Aren't people usually complaining that Apple's gpu choices suck? My bet is they will use the same that's in the iMac. Expecting more and you'll probably be disappointed.
 
The Mobility 5 series (and the 5xxx series itself) are very strong chips and I would love to see them in the next MacBooks. Hell, they've got graphics cards which are twice the power of the 9400M, yet produce half the heat. However, 5830 is probably a bit too high end. We all know Apple doesn't care about the high-end stuff (4850 on a $2000 iMac is laughable nowadays). The 5730 or 5750 are more likely candidates for the high-end machines, but don't be surprised if Apple goes even lower.
 
Seems like a pretty sweet card. If they did that I would guess for the 13in they would go with the 5650. Not sure if there is really room in it, but I can't imagine Apple putting Intel graphics in it.
 
reallynotnick said:
Seems like a pretty sweet card. If they did that I would guess for the 13in they would go with the 5650. Not sure if there is really room in it, but I can't imagine Apple putting Intel graphics in it.
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A 54xx is more likely for the 13" but still packs a fairly hefty punch for a light card.
 
I would love a GT330 in the 13" model. Asus puts it in with their ULV systems. Much faster than the 9400, and hopefully Apple will have properly implemented hybrid graphics with arrandale.
 
Maybe if the take out the optical drive and use switchable graphics. (HP ENVY did it? :rolleyes:)

What's effectively a mobile desktop HD 5770 is something that's very desirable.
 
Sneakz said:
Why the need for this thread? Everything as usual is being discussed in the Arrandale thread.
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The Arrandale thread is presently drowning in a Firewire war.

I really hope the 5830 is used. It seems to have ridiculously good efficiency, which is probably because it has so many low clocked cores. 24W for 0.8 Tflops is ridiculously good, considering the 5770 only manages 0.52, yet draws 30W. So, I figure the only reason Apple would not use this is that I imagine it will be quite expensive. We can still hope. It would be awesome if this was at least an optional upgrade on the top 15" and 17" MBPs. Assuming it's available?
 
Erasmus said:
I really hope the 5830 is used. It seems to have ridiculously good efficiency, which is probably because it has so many low clocked cores. 24W for 0.8 Tflops is ridiculously good, considering the 5770 only manages 0.52, yet draws 30W. So, I figure the only reason Apple would not use this is that I imagine it will be quite expensive.
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Exactly, and yet we pay around $2000 already for MBPs.

How much do we have to pay Apple for them to put pro components in pro machines? $3000? $4000?

How ridiculous are the profit margins on the MBP that Apple can't give us the clearly superior card despite already charging more than most competitors for the machine????
 
Yixian said:
Exactly, and yet we pay around $2000 already for MBPs.

How much do we have to pay Apple for them to put pro components in pro machines? $3000? $4000?

How ridiculous are the profit margins on the MBP that Apple can't give us the clearly superior card despite already charging more than most competitors for the machine????
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Sorry to bust your rant, but the HD 5830 isn't a pro part, as gamers aren't pros. If you wanted a pro GPU, Apple would have to put in a Quadro or something outrageously expensive.

And comparing the cost of the present MBP with competitors is just stupid. It's 6 month old technology. It WAS cost competitive when it was new. It is inevitable that the next MBP revision will also be cost competitive.
 
ATi chips are clearly superior to their current nVidia counterparts, but nVidia has slashed their prices accordingly. Saying no to nVidia is saying no to some pretty big margins. The 330M is still, unfortunately, in the running.

The 5830 works TDP-wise, adding only 1W to the overall TDP. Arrandale + Ibex Peak is actually just a smidgen cooler than Penryn + ION, so it comes out evenly. And that's when compared to the cooler P series.

I would rule out the 30W 5770 as too hot. And given that the 5730 is actually a little hotter than its GDDR5 capable counterpart, the 5750, I would say it's not too likely either. A GDDR5 5750 is probably the most likely option from that group, but given that it's actually still hotter than the 5830, it's not really a great choice.

I think the 5650 is actually the best contender. It's the only logical choice from ATi that actually significantly decreases the overall consumption (the 5470 can't outperform the 9600GT). Notebookcheck has it at an ambiguous 14-19W, and the closer it tends to the lower end the more appealing it is. Apple is pretty likely to say that the extra battery life is more advantageous than the extra power, given that there is already very little the 5650 wouldn't be able to do.
 
awesomedeluxe said:
I think the 5650 is actually the best contender.
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DON'T SAY THAT!!! You'll make it happen! Doom us all!

Seriously, the 5650/70 is probably the most likely. But it's pretty clear, that if we're lucky, and Apple decides to get serious about mac gaming, the 5830 is possible, even if it's just a top end BTO.

P.S. Happy Australia Day! Beer for everybody! OK, sleep first. Then beer.
 
Erasmus said:
DON'T SAY THAT!!! You'll make it happen! Doom us all!

Seriously, the 5650/70 is probably the most likely. But it's pretty clear, that if we're lucky, and Apple decides to get serious about mac gaming, the 5830 is possible, even if it's just a top end BTO.

P.S. Happy Australia Day! Beer for everybody! OK, sleep first. Then beer.
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Hahaha, personally I would prefer the 5650 to most of the other options anyway. Unless they step all the way up to the 5830, the performance isn't worth the extra heat.

I can see the 5830 as a BTO, especially in the 17". If they had the option of a 5650 or a 5830 in the 15", I'm honestly not sure which one I would go with.

In any case, we're lucky if they go with ATi anything. Even the 5650 trounces every feasible option from nVidia.
 
Despite the fact that it's possible to shove a 5830 into the 1" chasis and maintaining an okay temperature and power consumption, I highly doubt we will see anything higher than a 5650 in the new MBP. Pity, because those 800 SPs sound really impressive. Then again, it's crippled by the 128-bit bus anyway.
 
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