ATV2 requires iTunes Match...feeling played.

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by munkees, Dec 6, 2011.

  1. munkees macrumors 65816


    Sep 3, 2005
    Pacific Northwest
    ATV2 requires iTunes Match to listen to purchased songs from the iCloud.

    I only have purchased music from Apple, but I cannot play them on my Apple TV from the cloud with out paying $24.99 + tax a year to apple. I feel a little played by Apple. Is this the shape of things to come?

    I do not see why I should have to have iTunes Match for music I purchased though Apple.
  2. penguy macrumors 6502

    Feb 20, 2007
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    Why aren't you streaming from your Mac or pc? I would imagine your music is on one of these??
  3. marc11 macrumors 68000

    Mar 30, 2011
    NY USA
    What did you do before you could blame iTunes match or iCloud? You can home share and you can AirPlay from your macs or iPhone your music onto your Apple TV no problem and no cost. You have never been able to stream paid for music content from the itunes store on any device, so why would you think the atv could do it now or be the exception?

    The only previously paid content the atv will stream from iTunes directly are tv shows.
  4. munkees thread starter macrumors 65816


    Sep 3, 2005
    Pacific Northwest
    before iTunes match, you could stream from the cloud when Apple introduced the ability of accessing your purchased music. And seeing also ATV2 is storage less it would make sense.
  5. newagemac macrumors 68020

    Mar 31, 2010
    I don't think this is correct at all. You could never stream music directly from the cloud on the ATV before. You could stream from your Mac or PC with Home Sharing and you could stream from your iDevice using Airplay.

    Streaming your own purchased music directly from iCloud only became possible on the ATV with iTunes Match.

    TV shows are the only type that you can stream purchased content directly from the cloud for free.
  6. Darth.Titan macrumors 68030


    Oct 31, 2007
    Austin, TX
    You're correct. "Cloud streaming" has never been available to AppleTV 2 before iTunes Match.

    I think the OP is confused. The only way to listen to music before was streaming from a computer on the network.
  7. munkees thread starter macrumors 65816


    Sep 3, 2005
    Pacific Northwest
    i think you are correct, I got it wrong.

    in the past I used airplay
  8. kas23 macrumors 603


    Oct 28, 2007
    Damn straight you are wrong. When it comes to problems with Apple products, without fail, it is the end-user who is either wrong or has failed to adapt.
  9. bobobenobi macrumors regular

    Feb 4, 2010
  10. davidjmclare macrumors newbie

    Dec 17, 2011
    Totally agree

    All of my music has been purchased through iTunes too, so there is no reason for me to purchase iTunes Match - other than for streaming through my Apple TV.

    Essentially this becomes a £21.99 per year charge to stream music I have paid for. Yes I know I can just play through my laptop - however I do take this away from home and I'm sure other people at home may want to listen to the music.

    I hope Apple are listening to the few of us who did not have massive illegal libraries of music and who have been loyal from the start - would be nice to have our iCloud accessible from Apple TV.

    In fact, it doesn't make sense. If it was 'stream from iCloud' then you'd still need iTunes Match if you wanted to play all your library (inc. music not bought from iTunes) so why make it connect to iTunes Match?! Just make it connect to iCloud.
  11. davidoloan Suspended

    Apr 28, 2009
    Indeed, other than the money Apple pay to the record companies, iTunes Match costs nothing to run. Everybody knows you can build and run a giant server farm like this for next to nothing. In fact I am going to build one in the garden and make squillions undercutting Apple.


  12. alphaod macrumors Core


    Feb 9, 2008
    So cruel and brutal.
  13. davidjmclare macrumors newbie

    Dec 17, 2011
    The point is that iTunes Match is to 'match' your files sourced elsewhere to the iTunes version. Then iCloud is free. So why buy Match when your files are originally iTunes - yes I get your point, put very sarcastically (thanks for that) but in essence it doesn't make sense to pay for Match when your files are from iTunes. In fact, this would only encourage people to download plenty of music by illegal means to justify the cost - something I will not do but I imagine others will. ;)

  14. peeaanuut macrumors 65816

    Sep 10, 2007
    Southern California
    so you dont feel you should pay to be able to stream your music? If people were streaming from your home connection all day and using up your bandwidth and HDD space at home, would you want them to pay? Paying to stream makes sense to me.
  15. Irishman macrumors 68030

    Nov 2, 2006

    iTunes Match is not for everyone. Why would you expect it to be? Do you have money eating a hole in your wallet that you're itching to pay to Apple every year??

    iTunes Match is a "get away with piracy card" for users who have collections that were acquired in places other than iTunes. (legal or illegal download, ripping your own CDs, etc).

    iTM won't work for me because I'm planning to get into more audiophile-grade music recordings (FLAC, ALAC, etc), and iTM would down-rez those to a mere 320 kbps quality. Not going to help me at all. But do I blame Apple for not making it Lossless-compatible? No, because I know ahead of time that iTM is a car, wheras I need a truck.
  16. blueroom macrumors 603


    Feb 15, 2009
    Toronto, Canada
    I bought match the other day, can't say I'm won over yet. No Genius playlists, you will need a decent internet cap and speed, somewhat goofy / random as to what it'll match. I won't renew if it stays in its current form.
  17. whooleytoo macrumors 604


    Aug 2, 2002
    Cork, Ireland.
    I think the problem is as much a naming issue as anything - you need to pay for iTunes Match for iCloud streaming; even if you have no intention of using the "match" functionality.

    What happens if you have iTunes match for 1 year, then stop using it; do you lose the ability to stream to the ATV from the iCloud? (Apologies if this has been answered before).
  18. Moccasin macrumors 6502a


    Mar 21, 2011
    Newcastle, UK
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    Actually, I'm going to turn this around. I'm quite impressed that you can now stream your library without having your local library active. I have an MBA and was considering an ATV2 but don't want to have my whole library on the MBA.

    Am I right in thinking that I can now keep my iTunes library on my NAS and stream separately to my ATV2 from the cloud? My worry was that having the iTunes library streaming from NAS via MBA to ATV2 would overload my network and make it unusable while streaming.

    £22 seems quite a good price to keep me going until I can afford a desktop to run iTunes
  19. Dranix macrumors 6502a


    Feb 26, 2011
    Gelnhausen, Germany
    You know that AAC from 192kbit upward is considered transparent. There is no audible difference to Flac/Alac. 256kbit is a nice safety buffer.
  20. macrumors 6502

    Aug 29, 2011
    Technically speaking, you're right that the human ear only here's between 20Hz and 20KHz, but it's the overtones and release that you lose. It also changes the mixes since all frequencies are being compressed. Kick has a bit more kick, cymbals sound a little harsher, even "S's" on female voices don't sound quite as smooth. I agree MOST wouldn't hear it, but us musicians do.......unless it's Nickelback then it all sounds the same ;)
  21. davidoloan Suspended

    Apr 28, 2009

    Yes you can. iTunes Match is on the Apple TV2 right now.

    What I want to know is if I upload my lossless library now, am I right in understanding that although Apple will stream it in 256 they keep the files as lossless on their server for the ones they don't match (just uploaded) and that in the future will probably stream them as lossless.

    Also the matched music will probably be upgraded some time in the future.

    If so I would like to upload now. Otherwise I would wait. Who knows for sure?
  22. slothrob macrumors 6502

    Jun 12, 2007
    I don't know, a lot of us musicians are half deaf!;)
    Maybe it's the silences that sound different; less ringing?
  23. chiefpavvy macrumors 6502a

    Feb 23, 2008
    I know I'm in the minority here on this one, but I actually wish iTunes Match would leave my Apple Lossless tracks LOSSLESS...I don't like them being converted to AAC @ 256. Sure there isn't an audible difference in most cases but I'm a lossless guy and wish they would allow for that.
  24. Phil Lee macrumors 6502

    Mar 19, 2008
    Manchester, UK
    I see this an added bonus to the iTunes Match service. It's something I couldn't do before. The only issue I have is I can't use the iOS remote app to play iCloud music on the Apple TV without using the TV screen.
  25. macrumors 6502

    Aug 29, 2011
    Exactly! All the music out there has this constant ringing that I can't seem to.........wait a second!! :eek:

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